Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

2019-11-23 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 08:34:32AM +0200, Lucio De Re wrote: > We just got a mouthful from sl and you about the lack of explanation > for the state of the various plan 9 "distributions". It all smacks of > expecting Da Vinci to update the Mona Lisa because somebody would > prefer a high-rise

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

2019-11-23 Thread Lucio De Re
On 11/23/19, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > i'm not sure you got sl's philosophy here. of course he will deny i > do, but here's my interpretation anyway: the public generally seems to > frown upon technology. people don't even want products any more. all > they need is a flashy name. a future

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

2019-11-23 Thread Lucio De Re
On 11/24/19, Kurt H Maier wrote: > > The other repos on that site are either user repos run by random people > who asked me for access, or else various code I've collected around the > internet and did not want to lose. Some of those repos came from Uriel > and I never have figured out what they

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

2019-11-23 Thread Bakul Shah
On Nov 23, 2019, at 9:25 PM, greemngr...@gmail.com wrote: > > I was just curious if it had any chances of coming back or were 9legacy and > 9front the only options. Ah. :-) But why? It is just out of idle curiosity, such as wondering about an old friend you haven't seen in decades or you

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

2019-11-23 Thread greemngreek
I was just curious if it had any chances of coming back or were 9legacy and 9front the only options. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tb6b3aefeebeb526d-Mba7731a6c4090275a2d0e91e Delivery options:

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

2019-11-23 Thread Bakul Shah
On Nov 21, 2019, at 10:29 PM, greemngr...@gmail.com wrote: > > The site hasn't been updated since 2014-2015. If it's dead, is there any > chance of it coming back into development? Why do you ask? What do you want to do? -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink:

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

2019-11-23 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 04:35:25PM -0600, Steven Stallion wrote: > The upstream version of Mercurial in the 9front ports collection is > based on my work, not bichued's: > https://code.9front.org/hg/ports/file/5f994209e142/dev-vcs/mercurial/mkfile > That repo is run by 9front users; I just host

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

2019-11-23 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
It is unfortunate that some believe that being caustic is a prerequisite for 9front advocacy. Worse, many 9front advocates become offended by any challenge to claims they make, while at the same time administering personal insults with ease. Fixing the fragmentation doesn't come from starting

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

2019-11-23 Thread Ori Bernstein
On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 08:24:41 -0600, Steven Stallion wrote: Against my better judgement... On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 08:24:41 -0600, Steven Stallion wrote: > On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 3:30 AM Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote: > > Grow up. > > Indeed. It's interesting that folks from 9front

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

2019-11-23 Thread hiro
> The amount of work wasn't much then why bring it up? -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tf27e6479d8812712-M9af22cf877937b18fbd1ae40 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

2019-11-23 Thread hiro
oh. nobody uses that. i wish that stupid ports repo didn't exist :) -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tf27e6479d8812712-Mbdaaacbda2d5ec3fe7bf687f Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

2019-11-23 Thread Steven Stallion
The upstream version of Mercurial in the 9front ports collection is based on my work, not bichued's: https://code.9front.org/hg/ports/file/5f994209e142/dev-vcs/mercurial/mkfile The amount of work wasn't much, but if you're going to dredge up ancient history, at least be accurate:

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

2019-11-23 Thread Kurt H Maier
To follow up, 9front mercurial originated from /n/sources/contrib/bichued/ in 2009. So this is yet another example of the complete lack of discoverability being a source of unending confusion in the Plan 9 community. How many years have people been pissed off about "stolen work" or whatever

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

2019-11-23 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 08:24:41AM -0600, Steven Stallion wrote: > > Indeed. It's interesting that folks from 9front like to tout their > development as "open" using tools that others in the community have > developed in addition to their own. To wit, you seem to have gotten > along quite nicely

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

2019-11-23 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 09:29:14AM +, Richard Miller wrote: > > Never mind, I think I can just about see the gist of what you're > trying to get across. It's meant to be insulting, right? > It's meant to be a practical answer. When people come looking for information, they want to know

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

2019-11-23 Thread hiro
imo you should not allow insult by who only tried to insult you in weakness of feeling insulted by former accused insult. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tf27e6479d8812712-M9337221a8a9b9afc9a111659 Delivery options:

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

2019-11-23 Thread Federico Benavento
Yeah, WTF. > On 23 Nov 2019, at 14:16, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > >  > I think (hope) this is sarcasm. > >> On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 6:35 AM Aram Hăvărneanu wrote: >> Steve and Richard, >> >> You are a bunch of hypocrites. Bitter old men. >> >> -- >> Aram Hăvărneanu > > 9fans / 9fans / see

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

2019-11-23 Thread hiro
On 11/23/19, Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote: >> nobody takes any of it seriously because none of them really use >> plan 9 to do anything people use computers to do ... > Never mind, I think I can just about see the gist of what you're > trying to get across. It's meant to be

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

2019-11-23 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
I think (hope) this is sarcasm. On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 6:35 AM Aram Hăvărneanu wrote: > Steve and Richard, > > You are a bunch of hypocrites. Bitter old men. > > -- > Aram Hăvărneanu -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink:

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

2019-11-23 Thread Lucio De Re
On 11/23/19, Aram Hăvărneanu wrote: > Steve and Richard, > > You are a bunch of hypocrites. Bitter old men. > Not hypocrites, not bitter. Old, maybe. Nor am I. One day, Aram, you'll be at the receiving end of criticism or even ridicule. There is no doubt that you are brilliant, and so are many

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

2019-11-23 Thread Aram Hăvărneanu
Steve and Richard, You are a bunch of hypocrites. Bitter old men. -- Aram Hăvărneanu -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tf27e6479d8812712-M08bfe720c68d2b835d25e368 Delivery options:

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

2019-11-23 Thread Steven Stallion
On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 3:30 AM Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote: > Grow up. Indeed. It's interesting that folks from 9front like to tout their development as "open" using tools that others in the community have developed in addition to their own. To wit, you seem to have gotten along

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

2019-11-23 Thread Richard Miller
> nobody takes any of it seriously because none of them really use > plan 9 to do anything people use computers to do Ummm, what? Four instances of universal quantification ("nobody", "any of it", "none of them", "anything") in a sentence which is not even logically self-consistent. Never mind,