Re: [9fans] Throwing in the Towel

2024-05-28 Thread ori
Finally,. SSDs just die over time. Especially if they are not powered on and refreshing. JEDEC specs say that they should retain data for 1 year unplugged when stored at 30 degrees celsius, assuming the internet isn't lying to me. Keep backups. Quoth Dave Eckhardt : > > For the napkin

Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

2024-05-17 Thread ori
I'm not sure it is interesting. Quoth pl...@room3420.net: > an other interesting reading : > https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/critical-analysis-9front-community-conflict-vester-thacker-htt3f?trk=article-ssr-frontend-pulse_more-articles_related-content-card

Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

2024-05-17 Thread ori
Quoth samuel.reader via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>: > Someone asked about the differences between 9front and 9legacy. This first > draft provides a brief overview. > https://link.storjshare.io/s/jx6tw46kfxskld45ussjek46ccpq/revitalizing-project/RevitalizingPlan9.pdf Unfortunately, it doesn't

Re: Clarifying Lucio's Additional Requests [Was: Re: [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9. ]

2024-05-15 Thread ori
Quoth vic.thac...@fastmail.fm: > Sadly, I don't have what it takes to bridge the gap. I think that my > idea of mending the communities is too grand. Also, I'm saddened > to see the more I try to help the worse the situation becomes. The communities are mending more or less fine, at least

Re: [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9.

2024-05-15 Thread ori
Quoth Lucio De Re : > I have asked precisely NOTHING and have only pointed out the consequences > of omitting sources from the 9front distribution because it leads to > undesirable divisions. Yes, in theory it would have been nice if we had people who had volunteered to maintain it.

Re: Clarifying Lucio's Additional Requests [Was: Re: [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9. ]

2024-05-15 Thread ori
Quoth vic.thac...@fastmail.fm: > A better solution might be to inform others on how to interface with > each community. For example, providing clear instructions on how to > submit feature and bug requests. This is something I haven’t seen > mentioned recently. It would be beneficial for each

Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

2024-05-13 Thread Ori Bernstein
On Mon, 13 May 2024 11:56:20 -0400 "ibrahim via 9fans" <9fans@9fans.net> wrote: > I'm wondering why you don't adjust it so that 9front can also be run there. Because 9vx is a hacky dead end; it fundamentally only runs (and can only run) on 32-bit x86. It works because of a quirk of 32-bit x86

Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

2024-05-13 Thread ori
Quoth Jacob Moody : > If there were a couple of open source Plan 9 forks that each saw > active development and we were having issues with keeping the source > code ported between them sure I could see this as a reason to do > that. We have however never found that the source code proved much of

Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

2024-05-13 Thread ori
Quoth ibrahim via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>: > On Monday, 13 May 2024, at 4:01 PM, hiro wrote: > > did you ever hear of the git > implementation that ori has implemented? > > It was placed on the latest 9legacy CD and I'm not needing/using it. I'm > using fossil-sc

Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

2024-05-13 Thread Ori Bernstein
ould be strange to find them, given that we don't ship freetype. -- Ori Bernstein -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tcf128fa955b8aafc-Me2f7348f05a060950815e38e Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription

Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

2024-05-12 Thread ori
gt; open channels for dialogue and collaboration? How can we ensure that > > everyone feels valued and heard? This approach could foster a more > > cooperative and inclusive environment. > > > >> > > > >> Vic > > > >> > > &

Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

2024-05-12 Thread ori
> >> > >> > >> On Sun, May 12, 2024, at 16:19, pl...@room3420.net wrote: > >> > "tl;dr: you need people doing the work before you can try > >> > to organize them; the way to get people doing the wor

Re: [9fans] one weird trick to break p9sk1 ?

2024-05-12 Thread ori
Quoth o...@eigenstate.org: > Quoth Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com>: > > I'm using a new subject [was: Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front] > > in the hope of continuing discussion of the vulnerability of p9sk1 without > > too many other distractions. > > > > mo...@posixcafe.org said: >

Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

2024-05-12 Thread ori
; On Sun, May 12, 2024, at 16:19, pl...@room3420.net wrote: > > "tl;dr: you need people doing the work before you can try > > to organize them; the way to get people doing the work is > > to bootstrap it by doing work and showing value." [from Ori]. > > or > > &quo

Re: [9fans] one weird trick to break p9sk1 ?

2024-05-12 Thread ori
p;& m.IDs == IDs) probably_bingo() } At that point, I need to guess the username, but this often is relatively easy -- often, this is posted publicly; you can probably guess that my user is 'ori' without trouble. With those bits of information, you're able to

Re: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front

2024-05-09 Thread ori
keep in mind that it can literally be brute forced in an afternoon by a teenager; even a gpu isn't needed to do this in a reasonable amount of time. Quoth Lucas Francesco : > https://seh.dev/p9sk1/ > > On Thu, 9 May 2024 at 08:01, Lucio De Re wrote: > > > > That seems simple enough, but "enable

Re: [9fans] VCS on Plan9

2024-04-18 Thread ori
Quoth Dan Cross : > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is just an `echo` into fossilcons, > isn't it? `fsys main snap -a` or something like it? it would be if being able to write to fossilcons didn't imply being able to do a lot more than creating a new snapshot.

Re: [9fans] VCS on Plan9

2024-04-18 Thread Ori Bernstein
h this any more. > > Was it as simple as backing a source tree up, making some changes, and then > comparing the two? Venti? Replica? > > tom -- Ori Bernstein -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Ta

Re: [9fans] troll paper

2024-04-16 Thread ori
Quoth Charles Forsyth : > > it's been a little while since i first looked at it, but i think one of the > example application is exactly how one might use it to avoid 80k lines of > yaml that you must look at directly. while it may help -- this is just stacking complexity on top of complexity.

[9fans] Last Call: IWP9 Shirts + Registration

2024-03-24 Thread Ori Bernstein
to respond to. -- Ori Bernstein -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T05224b13e5a0cf96-M94d192f2eec9c484f2a6545b Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription

[9fans] IWP9 Papers: Tomorrow. IWP9 WIPs: Feb 27th.

2024-02-12 Thread ori
Sending out a final reminder. Thanks for your time and effort. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T5ad337fb11024964-Mcb20ee1a1a6b4276241afc8b Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription

Re: [9fans] Update: Papers are due on Feb 13th.

2024-01-30 Thread ori
Enough people spoke up asking for extensions that we extended it. You've got until Feb 13th. Quoth o...@eigenstate.org: > > Just a reminder: Papers are due on Jan 30th, > WIPs are on Feb 12th. > > If you want to submit, but need more time, let > us know. (And thanks to those that have already

[9fans] Reminder: Papers are due on the 30th.

2024-01-29 Thread ori
Just a reminder: Papers are due on Jan 30th, WIPs are on Feb 12th. If you want to submit, but need more time, let us know. (And thanks to those that have already done this) -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink:

Re: [9fans] Formation of a Plan 9 Core Team

2024-01-26 Thread ori
In my experience, an open source team forms when someone does work. If the work is good, others join in. They start with someone taking initiative to build. Eventually, it may make sense to put in some bureaucracy, as people doing the work struggle to communicate effectively. Right now, it

Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks]

2024-01-25 Thread ori
Great; let me repeat one more time: The Plan 9 foundation does not currently engage in technical work such as putting together releases. There will be no release from the P9F including 9front code, because there will be no release from the P9F. If you feel the need for a release, I encourage you

Re: [9fans] P9F meetings (was: Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community)

2024-01-25 Thread ori
Quoth David Arnold : > > On 26 Jan 2024, at 07:38, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: > > <…> > > > If you have specific ways we can support people like you > > taking up the torch and carrying plan 9 development forward, > > please speak up and let us know; I'll ensure that it gets > > discussed at the

Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks]

2024-01-25 Thread ori
Also: We're organizing IWP9 largely as a forum for folks like you to figure out how to make this all happen; there's going to be plenty of time between talks as well as hacking days to figure out what code needs to be written, what patches exist in people's local trees, plenty of napkins (and, if

Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks]

2024-01-25 Thread ori
Also: We're organizing IWP9 largely as a forum for folks like you to figure out how to make this all happen; there's going to be plenty of time between talks as well as hacking days to figure out what code needs to be written, what patches exist in people's local trees, plenty of napkins (and, if

Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks]

2024-01-25 Thread ori
Quoth Don A. Bailey : > I’d prefer the sources to be managed by the foundation and would > like to only receive patches through them. Speaking as a member of the foundation, we do not manage sources or distribute patches. We do not maintain a Plan 9 distribution, and currently have no plans to

Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks]

2024-01-25 Thread ori
I'm not sure what a mainline Plan 9 means. Can you define that term, and tell me who maintains it? Quoth Don Bailey : > I'm not sure what all this was, so I didn't read most of it. > > If 9front becomes the "mainline" 9, I will stop using 9 altogether. Both as > a user and a developer. > > I

Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks]

2024-01-25 Thread ori
Quoth Don Bailey : > Direction comes from people writing code... but you write code for 9front, > yes? What does that have to do with mainline Plan 9? And what does that > have to do with the direction set forth by the people that actually > designed it? > I'm not sure I understand the point of

Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks]

2024-01-25 Thread ori
This email suffers from a lack of semicolons; Bell labs is extremely dead at this point, and direction comes from people writing code; once the work begins, people are sometimes willing to help -- but only once work begins. Quoth vic.thac...@fastmail.fm: > Dear 9fans, as enthusiasts and experts

Re: [9fans] IWP9 10th Edition

2024-01-09 Thread Ori Bernstein
> > than a day's driving time. So take advantage of the > > scheduling to experience both one of nature's most amazing > > events and discussions of computing's most amazing operating > > system. > > > > Brian L. Stuart > > IWP9 Program Committ

Re: [9fans] Expired certificate

2024-01-01 Thread ori
Anthony (a...@9srv.net) updated it; thanks for the report. Quoth Kim Shrier : > I noticed that the certificate for p9f.org expired on December 19. > > Also, trying to send an email to webmas...@p9f.org fails with > the following error. > > : host aspmx.l.google.com[142.250.113.27] said:

Re: [9fans] I did bad things and 9front won't boot

2023-12-20 Thread ori
At a guess, you tried to run something like: mount /dev/sdXX/cache which will try to negotiate a version with your raw disk data, and write a Tversion message to the first block of your disk. You want to mount the 9p service which lives in /srv/cwfs. You can probably either write it

Re: [9fans] IWP9 2024: EventBrite Link

2023-12-16 Thread ori
Also, if you want to register via email, we'll accept that too with cash at the door; up to you how you do it. Quoth o...@eigenstate.org: > We recently updated the website to include an eventbrite > event registration page: > > https://www.eventbrite.com/e/iwp9-2024-tickets-776349160237 > >

Re: [9fans] IWP9 2024: EventBrite Link

2023-12-16 Thread ori
(Apologies about the other message, sent it a bit too early) Also, if you want to register via email, we'll still be accepting that. Quoth o...@eigenstate.org: > We recently updated the website to include an eventbrite > event registration page: > >

[9fans] IWP9 2024: EventBrite Link

2023-12-16 Thread ori
We recently updated the website to include an eventbrite event registration page: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/iwp9-2024-tickets-776349160237 Note, this year there will be a registration fee of $50 USD in order to attend; if that feels steep, we also have a discount code 'BROKESTUDENT'

[9fans] IWP9 2024: EventBrite Link

2023-12-16 Thread ori
We recently updated the website to include an eventbrite event registration page: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/iwp9-2024-tickets-776349160237 Note, this year there will be a registration fee of $40 USD in order to attend; if that feels steep, we also have a discount code 'BROKESTUDENT'

Re: [9fans] 9front: fossil broken in Humanbiologics rel.

2023-12-12 Thread ori
Just tested using this script: #!/bin/rc fossil/flfmt $1 fossil/conf -w $1 < Till I upgraded my 9front I was using a fossil server (from9legacy) on my > 9front FreeBSD Bhyve system, probably 9front release Emailschaden. > > Now it doesn't work anymore.

Re: [9fans] 9front: fossil broken in Humanbiologics rel.

2023-12-12 Thread ori
Interesting, and not expected; Can you get a stack trace from the Fossil process? Quoth wb.kl...@gmail.com: > Till I upgraded my 9front I was using a fossil server (from9legacy) on my > 9front FreeBSD Bhyve system, probably 9front release Emailschaden. > > Now it doesn't work anymore. Remaking

Re: [9fans] 9front: fossil broken in Humanbiologics rel.

2023-12-12 Thread ori
Interesting, and not expected; Can you get a stack trace from the Fossil process? Quoth wb.kl...@gmail.com: > Till I upgraded my 9front I was using a fossil server (from9legacy) on my > 9front FreeBSD Bhyve system, probably 9front release Emailschaden. > > Now it doesn't work anymore. Remaking

Re: [9fans] odd rwakeup qunlock behaviour in 9vx

2023-11-08 Thread ori
A complete snippet to reproduce this may be useful. That said, I have code that uses qlock and rendez heavily with no sleeps, and have not had any issues on 9front. Quoth ibrahim via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>: > I have a function chan_send in which : > chan_send (...) { > qlock() > rwakeup(...) >

Re: [9fans] iwp9 paper submission ?

2023-10-27 Thread ori
Quoth Edouard Klein : > Dear 9fans, > > I tried emailing an abstract to all iwp9*@iwp9.org addresses, but got a > email delivery failure notification back. > > Do anybody know where we stand on the workshop organization ? Is there > anything I could do to help ? > > Cheers, > > Edouard. Short

Re: [9fans] htmlroff -ms footnotes

2023-10-06 Thread ori
Quoth a...@9srv.net: > Working on a little one-page report, I noticed htmlroff wasn't > outputing my footnotes. Looking at the papers in /sys/doc, it > seems htmlroff produces them properly when they're in the > abstract, but not in the main body. > > Anybody looked at this or know why? no, but

Re: [9fans] fd and /srv filesystem

2023-10-04 Thread ori
Quoth Chris McGee : > Hi All, > > I was thinking about file descriptors in the context of Plan 9. On Unix an > fd is generally only usable by the current process, and child ones through > a fork with some special incantation if one wants to communicate one over a > domain socket. This is possibly

Re: [9fans] Problem with outputing from kernel

2023-10-04 Thread ori
Quoth dusan3...@gmail.com: > I added some logs in /sys/src/9/port/proc.c for some tests of the scheduler, > I want to see at what moments do real time processes take the cpu. I did that > with simple prints with the intention of doing cat /dev/kmesg > someFile > because all the prints are

Re: [9fans] problem with factotum

2023-09-14 Thread ori
Quoth Iban Nieto : > @skip I've performed the entire procedure in the same namespace and in > another ns by using line per line commands in the console and using scripts, > all with the same luck. Also /srv/factotum is in place in my namespace as I > have auth/factotum in my $home/lib/profile.

Re: [9fans] 9Legacy status

2023-09-08 Thread ori
Quoth Don Bailey : > Hi All, > > Just curious if 9Legacy is considered the right place to submit modern > patches? Is that kind of the 'go to' repository for modern > patches/improvements to the 'mainline' Bell Labs distro? > > Thanks, > D my personal preference would be to just post them on

Re: [9fans] print() in kernel space doesn't work like I would think

2023-08-31 Thread ori
Quoth dusan3...@gmail.com: > Isn't windowing handled like a realtime process? > Does it not start any realtime process at boot? > I can see that being the problem here. also, real time isn't a synonym for high priority; it's saying that the OS *must* be able to run the process at the specified

Re: [9fans] print() in kernel space doesn't work like I would think

2023-08-31 Thread ori
Quoth dusan3...@gmail.com: > > if you don't see this print, you're somehow > running the wrong kernel. > I can see that. > > > this one won't print until you start using > the edf scheduler. > Isn't windowing handled like a realtime process? Does it not start any > realtime process at boot? I

Re: [9fans] print() in kernel space doesn't work like I would think

2023-08-31 Thread ori
Quoth dusan3...@gmail.com: > + print("\nPlan 69\n"); if you don't see this print, you're somehow running the wrong kernel. > + print("NESTO"); this one won't print until you start using the edf scheduler. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink:

Re: [9fans] print() in kernel space doesn't work like I would think

2023-08-31 Thread ori
Quoth o...@eigenstate.org: > > show your diff. > > (hint: bind -ac /dist/plan9front / && git/diff /sys/src/9 | webpaste) also, the steps you used to install and boot the new kernel. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink:

Re: [9fans] print() in kernel space doesn't work like I would think

2023-08-31 Thread ori
Quoth dusan3...@gmail.com: > I was editing plan9's realtime scheduler in /sys/src/9/port/edf.c and was > trying to add a print to log something, but print didn't show anywhere(or I > am looking at the wrong place). It has some prints in source code already, > with this define. > #define DPRINT

Re: [9fans] /dev/realtime doesn't exist?

2023-08-29 Thread ori
Quoth dusan3...@gmail.com: > I was reading an article about plan9's realtime scheduler edf > (http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/real_time/real_time_in_a_real_operating_system/real_time_in_a_real_operating_system.pdf, > page 7), and they mentioned using /dev/realtime to create realtime > processes,

Re: [9fans] Plan9 multi-core support

2023-08-27 Thread ori
Quoth dusan3...@gmail.com: > I finally read the article about asking questions, sorry if i was being rude > or was waisting your time, wasn't my intention. people wrote documentation for a reason; sometimes the documentation is confusing, insufficient, or you didn't know the right keyword to

Re: [9fans] Plan9 multi-core support

2023-08-26 Thread ori
Quoth dusan3...@gmail.com: > Does plan9 have multi-core support? If it does, how does it manage it (what > files/man pages/docs do I read). If it doesn't have, how would I implement > it. read: https://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/4th_edition/papers/9 and once again, read:

Re: [9fans] Using 9front as a server

2023-08-22 Thread ori
Quoth dusan3...@gmail.com: > I want to use my 9front booted from QEMU as a server, so i can transfer files > from linux to 9front, but it wont open any ports. Help https://www.mikeash.com/getting_answers.html -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink:

Re: [9fans] plan9 in 2023 - which edition, fork, distro and what host

2023-07-26 Thread ori
Quoth will.s...@gmail.com: > Well, it's time for my every handful of years dive into plan 9. In 2023, > what's the best (most current) source for the distro and is it best practice > to install it on hardware (RPI or other) or in a VM (which)? I'd like the > mouse to work and the network... As

Re: [9fans] programs from UNI*x

2023-06-30 Thread Ori Bernstein
On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 11:26:09 +0100, Conor Williams wrote: > https://conorwilliams.in/nh4.png > > now looking in win?? /c early friday yay lie in 2morow > sysupdate; it's been added as of commit 5664fb3540ae0dccec628720574520122193ab1b, on Fri Mar 17 16:24:30 -0400 2023

Re: [9fans] programs from UNI*x

2023-06-28 Thread ori
Quoth Luis : > > 9front has a mix emulator (games/mix), but what about mmix, has anyone > considered porting that? Perhaps the effort required would be too > large, though. > you won't know until you try -- but it's a CPU instruction set, those are rarely hard to write.

Re: [9fans] Any material on processes?

2023-06-16 Thread ori
Quoth dusan3...@gmail.com: > I want to look into process management and how a scheduler works and thing > like that, but all I can find is inter-process communication with 9P and the > rest is all just file systems. Any help? look at: man 9 sched and % g '^sched'

Re: [9fans] How do I build from source on linux?

2023-06-15 Thread ori
Quoth dusan3...@gmail.com: > I find the system interesting, but I don't seem to be really productive with > it. I mean i just started using it (as you have already figured out) and I am > struggling a bit but it seems a lot of fun. it's worth taking some time to learn, rather than giving up at

Re: [9fans] How do I build from source on linux?

2023-06-15 Thread ori
Quoth dusan3...@gmail.com: > How do I export the files from Linux to qemu? use drawterm to log in, mount/bind from /mnt/term, or use sshfs or 9pfs or nfs or smfs or ftpfs or one of the other remote file systems to mount the remote files. -- 9fans: 9fans

Re: [9fans] How do I build from source on linux?

2023-06-15 Thread ori
Quoth dusan3...@gmail.com: > I run 9front with QEMU and i want to make some changes to it from source and > than build it and run it on qemu. How do I build it on linux with no mk? you don't. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink:

Re: [9fans] access files from 9front to Linux on the same laptop (2 harddrives).

2023-06-12 Thread ori
Quoth pl...@room3420.net: > > Hello :) > > Let's say I have 2 computers. > I can "sshfs" from 9front to mount the distant (Linux) folders to /n/ssh. > > Let's say now that I have 2 SSD on my laptop. > One with 9front, that boots automatically and one with > Linux, that I can occasionally

Re: [9fans] Adjust Thinkpad Screen Brightness

2023-06-09 Thread ori
Quoth zxcdew...@gmail.com: > Hi,  > A newbie question:  how do I automate this so it runs automatically after > boot up? man termrc cat $home/lib/profile either will work. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink:

Re: [9fans] How to access this 9fans group from 9front?

2023-06-09 Thread ori
Quoth zxcdew...@gmail.com: > Hi > I tried mothra, but it cannot open this website.   > > I want to post new topic here using 9front.  How? > > Thanks! register to the mailing list, then send an email. (sent from 9front, using upas and acme/Mail) --

Re: [9fans] Adjust Thinkpad Screen Brightness

2023-05-28 Thread ori
Quoth zxcdew...@gmail.com: > Hi > > Is there anyway to adjust my laptop's (T440P) screen brightness? > > Thanks! not nicely integrated. Depending on your card, something like this may work: #!/bin/rc # SBLC_PWM_CTL2: bytes 15:0, range 0 (off) to v>>16 (full)

[9fans] Schedule

2023-04-20 Thread ori
Lunch * Session 2: Storage * 1:30 pm Emil Tsalapatis, Ryan Hancock and Ali Jose Mashtizadeh: A 9P Server for Application Management in Single Level Stores: A Status Report 2:15 pm Ori Bernstein: GEFS, A Good Enough File System 3:00 pm Break * Session 3: Hardware Ports * 3:45 pm Andrew D

[9fans] iwp9 streaming link

2023-04-20 Thread ori
tomorrow starting at 10 am, we'll be streaming to: https://bsdtv-player.secdn.net/theatre/c726dda9-ffb0-4afa-bf71-55cfc9ab7b67 For speaker questions, join #plan9 on irc.libera.chat, we'll be watching the stream and relaying questions. -- 9fans:

Re: [9fans] Wifi Firmware "does not exist", but it does.

2023-04-09 Thread ori
Quoth Yury Chumak : > сб, 8 апр. 2023 г. в 19:16, Ravi Raj : > > > > Hi > > > > First command yields some sort of fingerprint. > > Second command yields no output. > > > > Thanks > > rraj > > 9fans / 9fans / see discussions + participants + delivery options Permalink > If output of second command

[9fans] iwp9 shirts: apr 5 deadline

2023-03-23 Thread ori
Hi, We're going to get the shirts for iwp9 printed soon. If you didn't register yet, you'll need to register before Apr 5 in order to get a shirt. Include your shirt size when you register. If you already registered, but didn't send in your shirt size, you'll need to get the shirt size to me by

[9fans] iwp9: papers announced

2023-03-13 Thread ori
The accepted papers are up on the website: http://iwp9.org/ For convenience, I'll repeat the list here: - Porting the Netsurf web browser to Plan 9, Jonas Amoson - GEFS, A Good Enough File System, Ori Bernstein ? - Hell Freezes Over: Freezing Limbo modules to reduce Inferno's

Re: [9fans] iwp9: call for papers

2023-02-27 Thread ori
Quick status update: We're working on getting all the papers reviewed, and running a bit late. The list should be out soon. Thanks for your patience. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink:

Re: [9fans] Error when trying to install contrib/install

2023-02-24 Thread ori
Quoth Alex Musolino : > The new test(1) in 9front passes the following test suite, which is > mostly stolen from something the OpenBSD folks had used to test their > own test(1) program: > > http://git.9front.org/plan9front/regress/717df14acac498bfb4496066a60c1ae83e93d9b7/cmd/test.rc/f.html >

Re: [9fans] iwp9: call for papers

2023-02-04 Thread ori
Quoth Marshall Conover : > > Will this iwp9 be filmed? I'd love it if someone volunteered to film, but I'm not currently aware of anyone with equipment and a desire to do the editing and upload. Anyone feel like stepping up to do this? -- 9fans: 9fans

Re: [9fans] applying a patch on 9front

2023-02-01 Thread ori
Quoth jimeric...@gmail.com: > thank you kindly chris gorman! i got the patch to apply and got it to connect > at boot. but when it connects rio wont start. when it doesn't connect rio > starts. not sure what to do. there's nowhere near enough information to help you; you'll need to be more

Re: [9fans] iwp9: call for papers

2023-01-31 Thread ori
Quoth o...@eigenstate.org: > Call for Papers > --- > > Jan 30: Paper submission deadline > Jan 30: Proposals for hackathons and tutorials deadline > Feb 13: Paper acceptance notification > Feb 27: Works in progress submission deadline > Mar 6: WIP acceptance

Re: [9fans] iwp9: call for papers

2023-01-25 Thread ori
Quoth o...@eigenstate.org: > Hi, > > On behalf of the iwp9 organizers, I'm happy to announce that iwp9 will > be happening on April 21-23, in Waterloo, Ontario. For full, up to date > information, keep an eye on the website (https://iwp9.org). For those that have tried registering, there was a

Re: [9fans] plan 9 and lisp

2023-01-19 Thread ori
Quoth Lassi Kortela : > > i’m wondering what 9fans think about lisp, specifically scheme. > > Chibi-Scheme has run on Plan 9. > And more recently, Janet: https://git.sr.ht/~pixelherodev/janet -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink:

Re: [9fans] Modification of etheriwl.c for AC 7265 ethernet card

2022-11-25 Thread ori
Quoth Chris Gorman : > Hello All, > > I needed to add a pci vid/did to etheriwl.c to get my wifi card > working. I'm sending the patch to the mailing list, but if folks know > of a better place for this info, let me know and I will re post it. > The card I have is an Intel AC-7265 and I am

Re: [9fans] A few questions about 9p

2022-11-05 Thread ori
Quoth ibrahim via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>: > tflush is also used to interrupt pending requests in user-file-systems. And > there such a situation can happen where you can't respond to a Tflush. The > server already processed the message for noldtag and sent its reply. Now you > can't reply to a

Re: [9fans] A few questions about 9p

2022-11-04 Thread ori
Quoth ibrahim via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>: > On Saturday, 5 November 2022, at 12:41 AM, ron minnich wrote: > > I'd argue that this may be the most real-world-tested Tflush handler you'll > > see. I have seen Tflush handlers that just return, having done nothing, and > > it's possible that in

Re: [9fans] the practicality of plan 9

2022-10-30 Thread ori
Quoth fig : > so i ask: what are ways i could make a grid really shine? through design > and/or usage, things that make a grid nice to have. i still enjoy 9front on > a single machine, and plan9port is now a must-have on my unix machines. i > know plan 9 wants a network, but why would a user want

Re: [9fans] Drawterm on F-Droid

2022-10-02 Thread ori
Quoth sirjofri : > Hello all, > > I'm happy to inform you that Drawterm (Android) is now listed on the official > F-Droid android store. > > This means, automatically built updates, and you can get the latest version > without building yourself or asking for an apk, plus one single signed >

Re: [9fans] building a grid at university

2022-09-29 Thread ori
Quoth fig : > but plan 9 is not, and i > don’t know how this is addressed when using a VPS. even the install process > is graphical. is kvm necessary? There are a few options. 1) Many hosts like Vultr or Ramnode provide graphical VNC consoles. 2) Graphics aren't necessary; inst/start works just

Re: [9fans] 9front hackathon report

2022-09-26 Thread ori
Quoth Lucio De Re : > Thank you, Ori. That brief report is quite impressive. > > I'm offering to install the changes on the T23 I bought specially to > run 9front on. It doesn't get much attention - you can blame Linux for > that, not 9legacy - but it does sit where it serves

[9fans] 9front hackathon report

2022-09-26 Thread ori
the gsoc thread reminded me that I should also probably post the hackathon writeup that I put together here, for the curious: https://orib.dev/9hack1.html -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink:

Re: [9fans] spec in plan9port?

2022-09-06 Thread ori
Quoth fge...@gmail.com: > On 9/6/22, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: > > Quoth fge...@gmail.com: > >> Sure, thanks for clarifying! Where else is or could be the passing of > >> spec to Tattach implemented? > > > > mount, or whatever is doing the mounting. > Hence my original question. > sorry, I

Re: [9fans] spec in plan9port?

2022-09-06 Thread ori
Quoth fge...@gmail.com: > Sure, thanks for clarifying! Where else is or could be the passing of > spec to Tattach implemented? mount, or whatever is doing the mounting. note, sometimes it's called 'aname'. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink:

Re: [9fans] spec in plan9port?

2022-09-05 Thread ori
Quoth fge...@gmail.com: > On plan9 (and inferno) mount has [ spec ] to select between different > file trees: > https://9p.io/magic/man2html/1/bind > ... > mount [ option ... ] servename old [ spec ] > ... > "The spec argument to mount is passed in the attach(5) message to the > server, and

Re: [9fans] USB3 1Gb ethernet card working on 9legacy (rpi 4)

2022-08-05 Thread ori
Quoth adr : > On Thu, 4 Aug 2022, Richard Miller wrote: > >> I don't know any reliable server with good bandwidth serving without tls > > > > I am able to connect to your example arch.mirror.constant.com using > > both http and https. > > And now I feel like an idiot! The thing is that other

Re: [9fans] USB3 1Gb ethernet card working on 9legacy (rpi 4)

2022-08-04 Thread ori
Quoth Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com>: > I am able to connect to your example arch.mirror.constant.com using > both http and https. Same. > Something is going on with usb ethernet and tls which I don't understand. > Could it be as simple as different block sizes interacting with the usb >

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 bitsy port and Inferno ipaq1110

2022-07-18 Thread ori
Quoth m...@larbob.org: > https://9p.io/wiki/plan9/installation_on_ipaq/index.html > > https://doc.cat-v.org/inferno/4th_edition/inferno_ports > > Anyone have more info on the 9 and especially Inferno iPAQ ports? I > can find mentions of the Inferno port in Vita Nuova's sources as well > as in

Re: [9fans] syscall silently kill processes

2022-06-28 Thread ori
Quoth adr : > Andrey, if you want to use different note handlers per process (with a big > number of processes) using libthread, this may be helpful. > > The idea is this: > > An array of handlers for all processes which can be changed by all processes. > When a note is received by a process,

[9fans] little pipe speedtest

2022-06-04 Thread ori
inspired by: https://mazzo.li/posts/fast-pipes.html I was curious to see how things stacked up on plan 9. The machines are apples to oranges (my 9front box is a 2015-ish era Zbox with a Intel Core i5-7300HQ processor, and my work machine is a Linux with a 12 core Ryzen 9 3900X).

Re: [9fans] 9p server to multiply 9p messages?

2022-06-01 Thread ori
Quoth ron minnich : > This is why 9p starts to perform poorly in networks with high > bandwidth*delay products -- if you watch the net traffic, you see each > T op on fid blocked by the previous Reply (by devmnt). > > I never figured out a way to fix this without fixing devmnt -- by > removing

Re: [9fans] 9p server to multiply 9p messages?

2022-06-01 Thread ori
Quoth ron minnich : > This is why 9p starts to perform poorly in networks with high > bandwidth*delay products -- if you watch the net traffic, you see each > T op on fid blocked by the previous Reply (by devmnt). > > I never figured out a way to fix this without fixing devmnt -- by > removing

Re: [9fans] 9p server to multiply 9p messages?

2022-05-31 Thread ori
Quoth hiro <23h...@gmail.com>: > > and with 10 million parallel requests, why shouldn't 9p be able to > deliver 10GB/s ?! the tag field is 16 bits. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink:

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