On 01/01/2022, vic.thac...@fastmail.fm wrote:
> I am simply grateful to see Plan 9 (4th edition),... and other distributions
> have an
> open-source license. There is comfort knowing we can modify and create.
And the older stuff, since to my knowledge it wasn't otherwise
available. Space war
On Fri, Dec 31, 2021, at 21:42, Lucio De Re wrote:
[snip]
>
> Just my perspective. I'd like to hear how Vic sees this kind of cyber
> archeology. Or anyone else's views, for that matter.
I don't have much to say about cyber archeology. I am simply grateful to see
Plan 9 (4th edition), 9front,
yeah, this mostly fits my experience. usable hardware has become
virtually free. the result being that people throw them at me and i
have so many computers that i can use a dedicated one for every little
project.
the only reason for me to ever consider newer gear (like rpi or modern
thinkpads) is
On Fri, Dec 31, 2021, at 20:55, hiro wrote:
> what makes it enjoyable hardware? when is it classic? anything that's
> older than 10y or what?
I suppose classic could be any x86 based computer system that came out about
the same time as Plan 9 fourth edition. Someone once referred to Plan 9
On 12/31/21, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> so instead i learned to be a little bit picky about the hardware
> avoiding having to write drivers for everything that doesn't work.
>
The Lenovo Thinkpad T68 I managed to lay my hands on wasn't that cheap
and came with an Atheros based wi-fi card.
what makes it enjoyable hardware? when is it classic? anything that's
older than 10y or what?
it's surely fun to install plan9 on a hundred random computers and get
lucky and have everything work. but that's just not been my
experience.
so instead i learned to be a little bit picky about the
On Fri, Dec 31, 2021, at 03:01, hiro wrote:
> let's not pretend there's something great that you would miss out on
> without the combination of IDE hardware and the half-assed support for
> it in 4th edition.
>
> i don't know what aspect exactly of "classic" computing motivates you
> to recommend
On 29/12/2021, Sigrid Solveig Haflínudóttir wrote:
> 9front wiki has some too, for example: http://wiki.9front.org/unix2plan9
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On 12/30/21 12:25, Steve Simon wrote:
imagine someone was commenting on the 9front mailing list how 9front
was not worth bothering with and how the OP should use OSX. that
would make the 9front people a little frustrated.
pretzel logic
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On 12/30/21, Steve Simon wrote:
>
> thought experiment:
>
> imagine someone was commenting on the 9front mailing list how 9front was
> not worth bothering with and how the OP should use OSX. that would make the
> 9front people a
thought experiment:
imagine someone was commenting on the 9front mailing list how 9front was not
worth bothering with and how the OP should use OSX. that would make the 9front
people a little frustrated.
> i don't know what aspect exactly of
> "classic" computing motivates you
> to
let's not pretend there's something great that you would miss out on
without the combination of IDE hardware and the half-assed support for
it in 4th edition.
i don't know what aspect exactly of "classic" computing motivates you
to recommend this struggle, vick.
On 12/30/21, Glenn Holmer via
On 12/28/21 20:34, vic.thac...@fastmail.fm wrote:
Getting classic Plan 9 system working well is an enjoyable past time.
"past time"... Truer words were never spoken.
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> Thanks, I know that; I was asking where the list comes from since the
> one I remembered to be in the old wiki apparently died with it.
I pulled most of the articles into a new wiki, including the unix29 lists.
No information considered dead.
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Is that the old list of https://code.9front.org/wiki ?
It's a proper wiki with the new repo located at
http://only9fans.com/garden/wiki.9front.org/HEAD/info.html
Thanks, I know that; I was asking where the list comes from since the
one I remembered to be
Quoth Humm :
> Quoth Sigrid Solveig Haflínudóttir:
> >9front wiki has some too, for example: http://wiki.9front.org/unix2plan9
>
> Is that the old list of https://code.9front.org/wiki ?
>
Yes, though probably with some updates (I haven't
been watching the repos)
> Is that the old list of https://code.9front.org/wiki ?
It's a proper wiki with the new repo located at
http://only9fans.com/garden/wiki.9front.org/HEAD/info.html
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Quoth Sigrid Solveig Haflínudóttir:
9front wiki has some too, for example: http://wiki.9front.org/unix2plan9
Is that the old list of https://code.9front.org/wiki ?
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On Wed, 29 Dec 2021 01:20:20 +0100
Sigrid Solveig Haflínudóttir wrote:
> 9front wiki has some too, for example:
> http://wiki.9front.org/unix2plan9
Excellent! Just what I needed to get started with the tinkering.
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and Bob's your uncle.
On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 6:36 PM wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 29, 2021, at 08:29, Stanley Lieber wrote:
> > On December 28, 2021 10:42:27 PM UTC, Humm
> wrote:
> >>Quoth Duke Normandin:
> >>> I'm new to
On Wed, Dec 29, 2021, at 08:29, Stanley Lieber wrote:
> On December 28, 2021 10:42:27 PM UTC, Humm wrote:
>>Quoth Duke Normandin:
>>> I'm new to Plan9. I don't know fuck all! So I gotta start at the
>>> beginning - NOT at sysadmin level. Off to Google ...
>>
>>The beginning is the name. The
9front wiki has some too, for example: http://wiki.9front.org/unix2plan9
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On December 28, 2021 10:42:27 PM UTC, Humm wrote:
>Quoth Duke Normandin:
>> I'm new to Plan9. I don't know fuck all! So I gotta start at the
>> beginning - NOT at sysadmin level. Off to Google ...
>
>The beginning is the name. The thing you use is “9front”. The abandoned
>thing is “Plan 9”.
On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 15:16:06 -0800
Bakul Shah wrote:
> You may find
> https://pspodcasting.net/dan/blog/2019/plan9_desktop.html useful.
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On Dec 28, 2021, at 9:35 AM, Duke Normandin wrote:
>
> On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:28:52 -0800
> Eli Cohen wrote:
>
>> if you're not accustomed to plan 9
>
> Worst than that! I don't know squat about it. Just manage to
> install it 10 minutes ago. I know Unix though and that's where I'm
> getting
Quoth Duke Normandin:
I'm new to Plan9. I don't know fuck all! So I gotta start at the
beginning - NOT at sysadmin level. Off to Google ...
The beginning is the name. The thing you use is “9front”. The
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On 12/28/21, Duke Normandin wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 21:12:37 +0100
> hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> my point was that if they weren't pedantic they wouldn't be any
>> good
>
> Here's MY point:
>
>
sure, i don't want every website to read like a manual page.
but i want every manual page to be pedantic in the sense that it
should be concise and informative.
your example fits this definition.
On 12/28/21, Duke Normandin wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 21:12:37 +0100
> hiro <23h...@gmail.com>
On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 21:12:37 +0100
hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> my point was that if they weren't pedantic they wouldn't be any
> good
Here's MY point:
https://youtu.be/SoGLU1l7LwY
Short and sweet and to the point. Gimme more ... :)
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On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 21:12:37 +0100
hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> my point was that if they weren't pedantic they wouldn't be any
> good
There's a time for pedantic and there a time for not so much.
There's way too much "Bullshit baffles brains" going on - on the
web - IMHO.
At the onset,
my point was that if they weren't pedantic they wouldn't be any good
On 12/28/21, Duke Normandin wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 20:01:17 +0100
> hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> manuals are always pedantic.
>
> maybe you haven't lived long enough to have stumbled on the good
> ones. :)
> --
>
On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 20:01:17 +0100
hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> manuals are always pedantic.
maybe you haven't lived long enough to have stumbled on the good
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On Wed, 29 Dec 2021 03:35:29 +0900
vic.thac...@fastmail.fm wrote:
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> 9front and Plan 9 are multi-user/multi-tasking distributed
> operating environments. How 9front and Plan 9 are used today
> differs greatly than how it was originally meant to be deployed.
> An end user was meant to login
Quoth Duke Normandin :
>
> You're kidding right? So it's a single-user/multi-tasking OS?
no, but it's hard for two people to use one
mouse. therefore, when you sit in front of
one machine, you own it.
multiple users come in when you import
resources from the network.
On Wed, Dec 29, 2021, at 03:03, Duke Normandin wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 12:56:19 -0500
> "Frank D. Engel, Jr." wrote:
>
>> Partially to answer an earlier question and partially to
>> emphasize just how different Plan 9 is: you "log out" by
>> rebooting.
>
> You're kidding right? So it's a
On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 10:11:38 -0800
Eli Cohen wrote:
> yes, but it also has very good networking capabilities
networking is good! +1
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yes, but it also has very good networking capabilities
On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 10:05 AM Duke Normandin wrote:
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> On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 12:56:19 -0500
> "Frank D. Engel, Jr." wrote:
>
> > Partially to answer an earlier question and partially to
> > emphasize just how different Plan 9 is: you "log
On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 12:56:19 -0500
"Frank D. Engel, Jr." wrote:
> Partially to answer an earlier question and partially to
> emphasize just how different Plan 9 is: you "log out" by
> rebooting.
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Partially to answer an earlier question and partially to emphasize just
how different Plan 9 is: you "log out" by rebooting.
On 12/28/21 12:35 PM, Duke Normandin wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:28:52 -0800
Eli Cohen wrote:
if you're not accustomed to plan 9
Worst than that! I don't know
On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:28:52 -0800
Eli Cohen wrote:
> if you're not accustomed to plan 9
Worst than that! I don't know squat about it. Just manage to
install it 10 minutes ago. I know Unix though and that's where I'm
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On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 12:23:49 -0500
o...@eigenstate.org wrote:
> Quoth Duke Normandin :
> > log in as user:adm
>
> expanding that a bit: log in as a
> user in the 'adm' group.
OK - I'm going to take a time-out and go read about how to use this
thing! I see that I'm trying to make too many
if you're not accustomed to plan 9 I want to be the first to reiterate
to be very careful with the mount command. on plan 9 mount mounts 9p
servers, not disks. mounting a disk file will write 9p to the file
(the disk)
that's a common mistake that people have made tools to recover from,
but it can
Quoth Duke Normandin :
> log in as user:adm
expanding that a bit: log in as a
user in the 'adm' group.
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so check if your user glenda is part of the group that has write
permissions to /adm/timezone/local
On 12/28/21, Duke Normandin wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 17:59:26 +0100
> hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> adm? /adm is a folder, i don't see any reference where it's being
>> used as
On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 17:59:26 +0100
hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> adm? /adm is a folder, i don't see any reference where it's being
> used as hostowner...
> maybe you wanted to use "glenda" which is default hostowner.
The docs I'm reading say that to setup the correct timezone:
log in as
adm? /adm is a folder, i don't see any reference where it's being used
as hostowner...
maybe you wanted to use "glenda" which is default hostowner.
On 12/28/21, Duke Normandin wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 17:48:11 +0100
> Sigrid Solveig Haflínudóttir wrote:
>
>> Just follow the usual
It's glenda, not adm. adm is a group. Please, read the documentation,
there is plenty.
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Sigrid Solveig Haflínudóttir wrote:
> Just follow the usual installation, choose sdC0 as the media.
> 9front has its own bootloader which installs in mbr if you chose
> so. Grub can "chainload" (that's the word to search on the
> internet or docs for) that too
it's weird, it should have shown
/dev/sdD0/data 9660
On 12/28/21, o...@eigenstate.org wrote:
> Quoth Duke Normandin :
>> On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 17:31:26 +0100
>> Sigrid Solveig Haflínudóttir wrote:
>>
>> > Awesome. Have fun!
>>
>> I sure will! Thx a bunch. Before you move on to better things,
Quoth Duke Normandin :
> On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 17:31:26 +0100
> Sigrid Solveig Haflínudóttir wrote:
>
> > Awesome. Have fun!
>
> I sure will! Thx a bunch. Before you move on to better things, can
> you explain how I get Plan9 onto /dev/sdC0 please.
http://fqa.9front.org/fqa4.html#4.3.5
Just follow the usual installation, choose sdC0 as the media. 9front
has its own bootloader which installs in mbr if you chose so. Grub can
"chainload" (that's the word to search on the internet or docs for)
that too in case you want to continue booting through grub.
On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 17:31:26 +0100
Sigrid Solveig Haflínudóttir wrote:
> Awesome. Have fun!
I sure will! Thx a bunch. Before you move on to better things, can
you explain how I get Plan9 onto /dev/sdC0 please.
I've got antiX Linux on /dev/sdC1 which I want to keep. Got GRUB2
bootmanager
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On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 17:01:56 +0100
Sigrid Solveig Haflínudóttir wrote:
> Which ISO did you use?
Hold the phone! Stop the presses!
I'm in! Joy!!
Accepted the defaults once again after doing a Ctrl-D and BOOM!
I've got a term% window
I've got a "cirno" window.
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My concern is that it does not show /dev/sdD0/data as 9660 when
listing possible choices to boot from, unless ofc you didn't
copy-paste(?) the full output precisely. Could be that the ISO wasn't
burned correctly? I'm not exactly sure. The /386/init is definitely
there on the ISO which boots fine
On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 17:01:56 +0100
Sigrid Solveig Haflínudóttir wrote:
> Which ISO did you use?
9front-8593.acc504c319a4b4188479cfa602e40cb6851c0528.386.iso
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Sigrid Solveig Haflínudóttir wrote:
> > Not bad!! Got to keep going though! LOL What now? Reading the
> > Plan9 install docs. Is 9front install docs different? TIA
>
> Which one of the cd/dvd has 9front in?
It's in the Yamaha CD drive.
> Can you type "!rc"
Which ISO did you use?
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On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 16:50:28 +0100
hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> not sure what's wrong with that cd drive, but as you have the
> kernel loaded, you could also put the iso on a flash drive or so
> and use that for root.
Isn't "/386/init does not exist" a clue?
Why does it not exist I'm
> Not bad!! Got to keep going though! LOL What now? Reading the Plan9
> install docs. Is 9front install docs different? TIA
Which one of the cd/dvd has 9front in? Can you type "!rc" (it will
drop you into a shell) and do "ls /dev/sd*/" there? See if there are
any plan 9 partitions. Shell can be
not sure what's wrong with that cd drive, but as you have the kernel
loaded, you could also put the iso on a flash drive or so and use that
for root.
On 12/28/21, Duke Normandin wrote:
> @hiro, @Sigrid, @vic
>
> Thanks everybody for the tips! Much obliged.
> DLed Sigrid's original suggestion.
@hiro, @Sigrid, @vic
Thanks everybody for the tips! Much obliged.
DLed Sigrid's original suggestion. Now - Plan9 boots up to here:
[boot-msg]
/dev/sdC0: ST3802110A
/dev/sdC0/data
/dev/sdC1: Maxtor 6Y080L0
/dev/sdC1/data
/dev/sdC1/linux
/dev/sdC1/linux1
/dev/sdD0: YAMAHA CRW2200E
/dev/sdD0/data
> might work too.
If you consider autopsy of old and unsupported software
full of bugs "fun" and not a complete waste of time, sure.
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Duke wrote:
> Boot process halts almost from the start at message:
>
> Verifying DMI Pool Data
> Boot from CD: PBSR...EI
>
> Then nothing! Keyboard not hung. Press any key and it reboots.
>
> This is on an amd athlon xp 2000+ / 1G RAM / 2nd Master = CD-RW, ATA 33
Thank you Sigrid!! From *Ísland? ;)*
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Boot process halts almost from the start at message:
Verifying DMI Pool Data
Boot from CD: PBSR...EI
Then nothing! Keyboard not hung. Press any key and it reboots.
This is on an amd athlon xp 2000+ / 1G RAM / 2nd Master = CD-RW, ATA 33
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