Re: [9fans] Despite being called a fork, is 9front similar to how Linux distros work?

2022-01-18 Thread Duke Normandin
BTW, for Plan 9 noob enlightenment, HN ran this article today: http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/1st_edition/designing_plan_9 — Duke Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 18, 2022, at 3:19 PM, vic.thac...@fastmail.fm wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 19, 2022, at 03:54, Antonio Barrones wrote: > [snip] >>> I understand

Re: [9fans] Despite being called a fork, is 9front similar to how Linux distros work?

2022-01-18 Thread vic . thacker
On Wed, Jan 19, 2022, at 03:54, Antonio Barrones wrote: [snip] >> I understand that Plan 9 is not being developed anymore, > It is not developed anymore in Bell Labs, but many of the original > developers are part of the Plan9 Foundation and they are promoting it > in different ways:

Re: [9fans] Despite being called a fork, is 9front similar to how Linux distros work?

2022-01-18 Thread Kurt H Maier via 9fans
On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 01:54:02PM -0500, Antonio Barrones wrote: > Linux distros are not only "Linux", they are GNU/Linux.  Linux is only the > kernel of a GNU/Linux system (a distro). Android is not a distro because they > don't have GNU, but Android is "Linux" because it has Linux as kernel.

Re: [9fans] Despite being called a fork, is 9front similar to how Linux distros work?

2022-01-18 Thread Humm
Quoth Antonio Barrones: Linux distros are not only "Linux", they are GNU/Linux.  Linux is only the kernel of a GNU/Linux system (a distro). Android is not a distro because they don't have GNU, but Android is "Linux" because it has Linux as kernel. Linux distros are not only Linux, they are

Re: [9fans] Despite being called a fork, is 9front similar to how Linux distros work?

2022-01-18 Thread Antonio Barrones
> I understand that Android isn't a fork of Linux, I meant to imply that > although Android is argued to be a Linux distro Linux distros are not only "Linux", they are GNU/Linux.  Linux is only the kernel of a GNU/Linux system (a distro). Android is not a distro because they don't have GNU, but

Re: [9fans] Despite being called a fork, is 9front similar to how Linux distros work?

2022-01-18 Thread Humm
Quoth Matt: I see. Now that I look at it, 9fans its more similar to 9front than Plan 9 indeed. My confusion arose from the description being "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs". Besides that, the subreddit is r/plan9, and people seem to talk more often about Plan 9 itself than 9front.

Re: [9fans] Despite being called a fork, is 9front similar to how Linux distros work?

2022-01-17 Thread Andrew Back
On 17/01/2022 23:36, Sigrid Solveig Haflínudóttir wrote: On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 12:31 AM Matt wrote: But that's why 9front was forked, right? They say it on their FAQ. Even though Plan 9 isn't being developed anymore, doesn't the fork cause worry that one day they become too different,

Re: [9fans] Despite being called a fork, is 9front similar to how Linux distros work?

2022-01-17 Thread Kurt H Maier via 9fans
On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 12:36:19AM +0100, Sigrid Solveig Haflínudóttir wrote: > > I'm afraid you got it wrong. Community is mostly centered around > 9front. One of the reasons is that it actually works and is still > being developed and used by many. Plan 9 is dead, 9front lives on. > There is

Re: [9fans] Despite being called a fork, is 9front similar to how Linux distros work?

2022-01-17 Thread hiro
if there's any branch of plan9 missing in 9front please just send the patch or a reminder. On 1/18/22, Matt wrote: > > On Monday, January 17, 2022, at 8:36 PM, Sigrid Solveig Haflínudóttir > wrote: >> I'm afraid you got it wrong. Community is mostly centered around > 9front. One of the reasons

Re: [9fans] Despite being called a fork, is 9front similar to how Linux distros work?

2022-01-17 Thread Matt
On Monday, January 17, 2022, at 8:36 PM, Sigrid Solveig Haflínudóttir wrote: > I'm afraid you got it wrong. Community is mostly centered around 9front. One of the reasons is that it actually works and is still being developed and used by many. Plan 9 is dead, 9front lives on. There is also

Re: [9fans] Despite being called a fork, is 9front similar to how Linux distros work?

2022-01-17 Thread Thaddeus Woskowiak
On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 6:32 PM Matt wrote: > > But that's why 9front was forked, right? They say it on their FAQ. Even > though Plan 9 isn't being developed anymore, doesn't the fork cause worry > that one day they become too different, especially since the community is > rather centered

Re: [9fans] Despite being called a fork, is 9front similar to how Linux distros work?

2022-01-17 Thread Sigrid Solveig Haflínudóttir
On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 12:31 AM Matt wrote: > > But that's why 9front was forked, right? They say it on their FAQ. Even > though Plan 9 isn't being developed anymore, doesn't the fork cause worry > that one day they become too different, especially since the community is > rather centered

Re: [9fans] Despite being called a fork, is 9front similar to how Linux distros work?

2022-01-17 Thread Matt
But that's why 9front was forked, right? They say it on their FAQ. Even though Plan 9 isn't being developed anymore, doesn't the fork cause worry that one day they become too different, especially since the community is rather centered around Plan 9 rather than 9front? Or is the community

Re: [9fans] Despite being called a fork, is 9front similar to how Linux distros work?

2022-01-17 Thread ori
Quoth Matt : > @ori: Those are examples of forked software that happened because of the > discontinuation of the original software, right? No. Most of the originals were around after the fork, at least for a while. Many of them are still around. In some cases, it's the fork that didn't make it.

Re: [9fans] Despite being called a fork, is 9front similar to how Linux distros work?

2022-01-17 Thread Matt
@Humm: I understand that Android isn't a fork of Linux, I meant to imply that although Android is argued to be a Linux distro, they have very different environments that can't easily interact with each other. I also know that the meaning of forking is objective, I meant that forking invokes the

Re: [9fans] Despite being called a fork, is 9front similar to how Linux distros work?

2022-01-17 Thread ori
Quoth matthpmore...@gmail.com: > I know it's subjective, but a fork implies to me that the goals and > methods of the forking developers are different from the original > software, maybe eventually leading to a completely contrasted > software, with different environment, tools and inner workings,

Re: [9fans] Despite being called a fork, is 9front similar to how Linux distros work?

2022-01-17 Thread Humm
Quoth matthpmore...@gmail.com: Hello. I just found out about Plan 9 and I'm trying to understand more. I see that 9front is often called a fork of Plan 9. However, reading the FAQ and the 9front wiki, the authors seem to often "conflate" both. I mean, I don't really understand what's written,

[9fans] Despite being called a fork, is 9front similar to how Linux distros work?

2022-01-17 Thread matthpmoreira
Hello. I just found out about Plan 9 and I'm trying to understand more. I see that 9front is often called a fork of Plan 9. However, reading the FAQ and the 9front wiki, the authors seem to often "conflate" both. I mean, I don't really understand what's written, but it's like the instructions