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Apparently Linux includes drivers for tunneling IP over a USB connection
(possibly to support mobile phones? not sure...)
Making host drivers compatible with these (if not already available) to
share an IP stack and creating the equivalent device-side support for
the "blocks" would allow 9P
Evidently there are two major standards:
CDC, an official USB standard - specifications here:
https://www.usb.org/sites/default/files/CDC_EEM10.pdf
RNDIS, a proprietary Microsoft protocol that Linux also provides drivers
for: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNDIS
The man page for usb/ether
On Saturday, 29 January 2022, at 2:24 PM, hiro wrote:
> i don't buy the argument that source code would be too big. for just
one subject in school i had to download many gigabytes of quartus,
over a decade ago. our source is nowhere near that big.
A kiosk application for educational purposes in
Ok, sorry for the triple-post, but since I can't seem to find that man
page or usb/ether on my 9front install, I should probably provide my source:
http://man.cat-v.org/plan_9/4/usb
On 1/29/22 7:14 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
Evidently there are two major standards:
CDC, an official USB
i never cared about the gpl license. it didn't improve anything as
it's less permissive than we had before.
i still see a risk when math engineers will be barred
access to the sourcecode.
maybe they would find a beautiful solution by changing a few lines of
code, allowing you to improve your
> Ok, sorry for the triple-post, but since I can't seem to find that man
> page or usb/ether on my 9front install, I should probably provide my source:
/sys/src/cmd/nusb/ether/
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I've been working on something along those lines for IoT management
and networking. Here's my laundry list of architectural and
implementation pieces:
1. authentication: (a) tie devices to owner/user (b) authenticate
users against third parties (via OIDC/SAML2, etc), (c) let the
authenticated
29.01.2022 15:08:11 ibrahim via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>:
The system part regarding Freebsd and X11 can be reduced by using plan9
dramatically. My own software has a few MB. In the plan9 distribution I
will use a new image format based on horizontal scanlines using 256
colors. This has an
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On 1/29/22 08:03, ibrahim via 9fans wrote:
On Friday, 28 January 2022, at 10:59 PM, hiro wrote:
why should it be closed source? you're gonna seriously put the effort
to remove all the traces of source files?
I am consequently avoiding infecting licenses in my projects and my
distributions
On Friday, 28 January 2022, at 10:59 PM, hiro wrote:
> why should it be closed source?
you're gonna seriously put the effort to remove all the traces of source files?
This kiosk app is meant for students in math, electrotechnics, mechanics ...
its a closed area network where only registered
On Saturday, 29 January 2022, at 7:58 PM, cinap_lenrek wrote:
> on the other hand, calling the ghostscript interpreter as a
external program, i dont think that would force your program
kiosk to be gpl licensed (for example page(1) would be in
the same situation... it calls all kinds of external
A few thoughts after chewing on this for a day ...
I think the major architecture components break down like this:
1) a simple protocol wrapper to enable streaming of 9p over arbitrary
transports (e.g. USB, i2c, spi, rs485).
2) an addressing scheme that plugs into dial() and ndb.
3)
Honestly I really don't see the issue with an 800mb network image. These
kiosk machines and network should be able to handle that with no issues and
it should fit on a disk easily. What constraint are you trying to solve?
You want to switch from an easy to maintain by any Unix expert with fully
good grief people.
Someone doesn’t like GPLs, can we not just accept this and not tell them they
are wrong.
And if they wish not to release the source for their work, again that is their
decision.
its one thing to point out the (possibly) unseen side effects of these
decisions but lets just
do we have any say if we don't accept this?
don't pretend there are any actions taken against this person's interest.
personally i'm seeing missed opportunity in education.
i care about education and try to encourage ways of sharing knowledge.
if you don't like it, don't waste your time with such
Note that djvu would compress things very nicely. A full page
300dpi magazine color page that may be 25MB uncompressed will
compress down to 40K-80K or so and be very legible, much more
so compared a similar sized jpeg compressed image.
The current OSS djvu library is GPL but as far as I know the
On Saturday, 29 January 2022, at 5:56 PM, Bakul Shah wrote:
> Also note that plan9 c compilers are likely no faster than tcc. And there will
> be other challenges.
My kiosk application using plan 9 and its compilers is already working. There
were no problems changing from llvm to plan9
On Sunday, 30 January 2022, at 2:45 AM, ron minnich wrote:
> The late jmk and I labored over a period of many months in 2013 to get
Plan 9 out under a BSD license. In the end, the copyright holder at
that time required that we distribute it, via UC Berkeley, under the
GPL. No choice. It was that
i dont really get your problem.
my understanding is that the idea of the gpl is that if you
derive work from a gpl licensed project is that that change
will also be under gpl and you make the sourcecode available.
no?
whenever we bugfix something in ghostscript, that change will
also be under
> The 9front /sys/src/9/zynq port is aiju board's kernel.
This reminds me to ask ... what did people get up to using their
aiju boards for? Sadly, mine has been sitting on the shelf collecting
dust for much too long. I did some early fiddling about, mostly
to learn the fpga toolchain, but then
On Saturday, 29 January 2022, at 10:42 PM, hiro wrote:
> Proof of concepts have value, too :)
It's quite funny what kind of stuff somebody might dig up in 2 decades
and learn something unexpected from it, happens here all the time.
I'm not saying I will personally have a need for the system, but
> I don't get the argumentations here. Everyone was happy that plan9 was
> relicensed as MIT last year. If no one is allowed to make closed source
> distributions of plan9 based systems than why were all unhappy with the
> prior licenses.
You're confusing the license and expressed wishes.
even if it won't be used, it can still serve as example. there's sense
in that for some people.
there aren't many real-world products/solutions based on plan9, so
people who are interested to learn from others don't have so much
choice.
every addition can be potentially useful for somebody in the
If there is no programming to be done by the kiosk users, why do you need
any compilers? Similarly you can remove many other things from your
kiosk image. In fact you should have a script that prepares the image.
xorg needs llvm only for *building* mesa-dri. If you are just using prebuilt
I've pushed some code to a git repository:
https://gitlab.com/dboddie/bare-metal-stm32f405
I'll write more about it as I tidy it up.
David
On Saturday, 29 January 2022 03:08:31 CET David Boddie wrote:
> On Saturday, 29 January 2022 02:04:18 CET Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM)
>
> wrote:
> >
for a little change of pace, my only desktop input device is
https://tex.com.tw/products/shinobi
it's a fairly faithful recreation of
https://support.lenovo.com/solutions/pd005137-thinkpad-usb-keyboard-with-trackpoint-overview
but with mechanical keys and other accommodations one expects from
What I meant was that there is no sense in sharing the code for a special
purpose kiosk app.
For people who are interested search for
gpl infringement tv boxes
You will find many examples of companies who took gpl too lightly and got sued
by FSF. The more users a product has which used GPL
"Why do you think p9f asked for a relicensing of plan9 while it was
already gpl licensed a few years ago ? Both are redistributable but
the MIT version is also usable for closed source commercial projects
while the GPL version is not. Does this matter ? Yes of course it
matters for people or
On Saturday, 29 January 2022, at 7:12 PM, Grant Defayette wrote:
> Honestly I really don't see the issue with an 800mb network image. These
> kiosk machines and network should be able to handle that with no issues and
> it should fit on a disk easily. What constraint are you trying to solve? You
On Saturday, 29 January 2022, at 9:44 PM, hiro wrote:
> if the odd one out of the students learns plan9 you think that's not
worth their while? then why do you use plan9 yourself? i would have
loved to have a teacher in uni that uses plan9.
I don't can't and won't hide the fact that my virtual
> links to associated projects. Therefore I asked for your prefered form of
> acknowledgement.
None needed whatsoever. Nobody here needs to force this extra visibility.
Just think about the students and what helps them most. We might
disagree, but it's your project, so you'll have to take all the
On Saturday, 29 January 2022, at 10:18 PM, Steve Simon wrote:
> Someone doesn’t like GPLs, can we not just accept this and not tell them they
> are wrong.
And if they wish not to release the source for their work, again that is their
decision.
Thanks for your support. I mean it.
I don't get
29.01.2022 23:23:32 ibrahim via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>:
Lets take a tv set as an example for a kiosk application thats not far
away. What benefit does the user of a tv have if I put the sourcecode
of the tv set into the mounted flash device ? Sure everybody could
benefit from reading the
On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 10:24:36 +
Giacomo Tesio wrote:
> Hi raingloom, mycroftiv and 9fans,
>
> As you might know I'm pretty heretic in Plan 9 (as much that my for
> is called Jehanne) and I'm also very sympathetic with SJW victims,
> mostly because SJW basically try to impose worldwide a
Quoth Bakul Shah :
> In fact you should have a script that prepares the image.
Yes. See:
/sys/lib/sysconfig/proto/distproto
/sys/lib/dist/mkfile
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On Saturday, 29 January 2022, at 11:14 PM, Bakul Shah wrote:
> Note that djvu would compress things very nicely. A full page
300dpi magazine color page that may be 25MB uncompressed will
compress down to 40K-80K or so and be very legible, much more
so compared a similar sized jpeg compressed
> Maybe I misunderstood something about licensing stuff but, can't you just
> distribute the working build product (binaries etc, without source) to
> the TV set (or kiosk) and keep the source in a completely separate open
> space, under some open source license? I mean, does open source (gpl,
>
On Sunday, 30 January 2022, at 12:14 AM, sirjofri wrote:
> Maybe I misunderstood something about licensing stuff but, can't you just
distribute the working build product (binaries etc, without source) to
the TV set (or kiosk) and keep the source in a completely separate open
space, under some
> There is no benefit for the
> students to learn how to realize such a platform and thats also not the goal
> of this project.
maybe your stuff doesn't work and this way they can at least help you
(or helpthemselves) fix it faster.
what makes you think everything will work and your students are
> I personally would say using page for displaying pdf or ps is dangerous and
> makes a distribution depending on this feature highly dangerous for
> developers.
yes, it's very dangerous in terms of licensing. i suggest you rewrite
ghostscript as gs/pdf reading ability is very important for most
Le Sat, Jan 29, 2022 at 09:48:47PM +0100, hiro a écrit :
> > I personally would say using page for displaying pdf or ps is dangerous and
> > makes a distribution depending on this feature highly dangerous for
> > developers.
>
> yes, it's very dangerous in terms of licensing. i suggest you
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