You may have a try with MusiCAD 3.0 beta. It uses abc as its 'second
language' for import/export and adheres (more or less) to the 2.0 draft
spec. see http://www.musicad.com for more info and download.
Arent
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From: Derek Bone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 11:19 PM
Subject: RE: [abcusers] abc for Pocket PC
I've subscribed to the abc user list, but I don't know how to contribute
Please could you tell me how to ask a question of the other users ?
Youve' just done so ;-)
Arent
Regarding the whole bunch of decorations it seems more or less logical to
explicitly divide them into a few groups.
1) +trill+
real 'decoration' commands
2) +upbow+
instrument specific commands
3) +1+
fingering commands
4) +D.S.+
playing order commands
5) +fff+
change of something (volume,
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From: Phil Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:02 AM
Subject: Re: [abcusers] Re: backslashes
Jack Campin wrote:
1. continued lines cannot have a trailing comment
2. pseudocomments cannot be continued
The
From: Wil Macaulay
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: [abcusers] Floating voices
Given Bernard's statement, and that we are proposing incompatibilities
anyway, I would propose that you only use a line if you _DO_ want
barlines between staves. In
From: I. Oppenheim [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: [abcusers] ABC Standard 2.0 revision III
On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, Arent Storm wrote:
For the church-modes part I agree, the explicit
accidental signature will confuse anyone trying
From: John Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 12:38 AM
Subject: [abcusers] N-times repeats
I. Oppenheim writes:
| I've now also updated the ties and slurs section of
| http://www.joods.nl/~chazzanut/abc/abc2-draft.html
| to give PNG examples of
From: Bernard Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [abcusers] ABC Standard 2.0 revision III
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Walsh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
Correction: in Irish music, a roll is a specific way of playing
Irwin,
* I think it would be wise to explicitely reserve the use of nonmentioned
letters E, Y lowercase letters. for future extension and urge implementors who
need more to use
%%packagename-fieldname instead
Move ''exended information fields'' paragraph to front, just after the normal
ones
*
* I think it would be wise to explicitely reserve the use of nonmentioned
letters E, Y lowercase letters.
Move ''exended information fields'' paragraph to front, just after the normal
ones
* irregular compound meter: two ways of display
1) 3+2+2/8 displayed as is
2) (3+2+2)/8 displayed as 7/8
From: Phil Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: [abcusers] ABC20-draft review
Arent Storm wrote:
* ~ I always thought that ~ is used for a prall-trill by default.
Hardly anybody will know what an Irish-roll is (is it eatable
From: Ray Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Jon Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Arent Storm [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hardly anybody will know what an Irish-roll is (is it eatable?)
Is there even such thing? In Krassen's version of O'Neils,
I find mention of a long roll and a short roll in Irish
From: I. Oppenheim [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: [abcusers] %%staves
Dear Phil,
%%staves {1 2 3 4}
Will typeset 4 voices on one keyboard staff.
A keyboard staff consists of two coupled staves
that are connected with a {
From: Phil Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Also I don't like the idea of
%%MIDI nobarlines
because it means something totally at odds with what it says. Bar
lines have nothing to do with midi - the midi standard provides
no way of representing them because they are a purely visual
feature of
From: I. Oppenheim [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, Arent Storm wrote:
And what if I want one large { with four staves ?
You could use %%staves [1 2 3 4] instead,
which will place a [ before the staves, though.
We can of course consider to make the semantics of {..}
similar
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
T:Plain 2/4
M:2/4
L:1/8
K:perc
%%graceslurs no
V:1 up
c|:7c{c}c {c}cc-|7c{c}c {c}cc-|7c{c}c {c}c/Lc/c/c/|\
[1.2.3. {c}c{c}c {c}cc-:|[2 {c}c{c}c {c}c{c}c||
The result ps looks surprisingly good, with the exception
of the slashes on the stems that I want to
From: I. Oppenheim [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: [abcusers] ABC Standard 2.0 revision III
They are non standard in Western music, but you will
find something like [K:D _b _e ^f] often in e.g.
Klezmer (Ahavoh Rabboh) or Arabic music
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From: John Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: [abcusers] ABC Standard 2.0 revision III
Bernard Hill writes:
While it is indeed common practice to omit begin-repeat symbols, this
is not a nice
On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 08:42:32PM +0200, Arent Storm wrote:
They are non standard in Western music, but you will
find something like [K:D _b _e ^f] often in e.g.
Klezmer (Ahavoh Rabboh) or Arabic music (Maqam Hedjaz).
My first thing will always be to remove any non standard
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From: John Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: [abcusers] voice properties
Arent Storm writes:
| From: I. Oppenheim [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| T1 in V:T1 is just an identifier that will make the ABC
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Bernard Hill wrote:
Hello,
as you know, Irwin Oppenheim and I are trying to put together a proposal
for ABC 2 standard. I have a simple question: has anybody actually seen
the u: (lowercase u) field in ABC files? We are considering whether
leaving it out.
I have quite a few danish tunes fron at least 1999
disabling abc-'linebreaks' this way and end with a double **
What's the use of **
X:2
T:Tellings hopsa
S:Hans Ole
R:Hopsa
O:Denmark
M:2/4
L:1/8
K:D
D | B2 c/B/^A/B/ | G2D2 | B2 c/B/^A/B/ |ed cB |\
A2B/A/^G/A/ | F2D2 | A2B/A/^G/A/| fe dc |\
The current draft standard for multiple voices states:
V: fields can contain voice specifiers such as name, clef, and so on. For
example,
V:T1 name=Tenor I clef=treble-8
indicates that voice `T1' will be drawn on a staff labelled Tenor I, using the
treble clef with a small `8' underneath.
I'd like to catch the use the the Y: field for future extensions like
Y:someinfofield=some info field value
This way we've maintained compitiblity with existing abc files
while having the possibilty of future expansion.
Arent
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From: I. Oppenheim [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ABCusers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: [abcusers] informationfield extension
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Arent Storm wrote:
I'd like to catch the use the the Y: field for future extensions
From: Bert Van Vreckem [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: [abcusers] Re: About the choice of '!'
Phil Taylor wrote:
Changing abcm2ps to use *...* instead of !...! (it accepts ! for a linebreak
already) would be a matter of minutes work
From: I. Oppenheim [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ABCusers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [abcusers] voice properties
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Arent Storm wrote:
1) where does T1 come from
T1 in V:T1 is just an identifier that will make the ABC
source code more readable
From: Jack Campin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ABC Users [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 12:58 AM
Subject: [abcusers] expandable information field
I'd like to catch the use the the Y: field for future extensions
like Y:someinfofield=some info field value
This way we've maintained
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From: John Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 1:22 AM
Subject: Re: [abcusers] multivoice linecontinuation
Arent Storm writes:
| Someone else wrote:
| I used to use it and stopped because I always let the software
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From: Phil Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: [abcusers] multivoice linecontinuation
Arent Storm wrote:
Where it comes to to line continuation in multivoice and/or
in-line lyrics things can get
From: I. Oppenheim [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [abcusers] multivoice linecontinuation
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Phil Taylor wrote:
Yes, I'm inclined to agree. The only exception
should be where there is some limitation on line
From: Laura Conrad [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [abcusers] multivoice linecontinuation
Irwin == I Oppenheim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Irwin % variant A
Irwin G2G2A4 | (FEF) D (A2G) G|\
Irwin M:4/4
Irwin K:C
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From: Jack Campin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 1:41 AM
Subject: Re: [abcusers] multivoice linecontinuation
As said before - in multivoice scores - human readability
won't have to be/should not be/cannot be a major
From: Jean-Francois Moine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:10 PM
Subject: Re: [abcusers] About the choice of '!'
On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 13:08:29 +0200 (CEST), Guido Gonzato [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
[snip]
BTW - Jean-François, how do you tell whether '!' is
From: Jack Campin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 1:38 AM
Subject: [abcusers] linebreaks and paper sizes
BarFly makes ignoring linebreaks an option (except for multi-voice
music where it isn't practical); what I do sometimes is first let
the program
From: Phil Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 2:59 AM
Subject: Re: [abcusers] Re: continuations
John Chambers wrote:
Another fringe case is what happens when a line ends with '\', a
space, and a newline. It's common for many implementations
From: Bernard Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
not to speak of hemisemidemiquavers
It's actually hemidemisemiquavers.
But my Australian customers explicly told me they use hdsqs.
And 1/128th notes are semihemidemisemiquavers
You must be kidding! Ludicrous!
Why? I admit that there is logic to
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From: Richard Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [abcusers] multivoice linecontinuation
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 10:56:15AM -0400, Laura Conrad wrote:
Arent == Arent Storm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
When trying to fit abcusers in a few groups having
[1] abc-sightreaders (without much need for software)
[2] abc-collectors
[3] abc-software-only-users (1st language)
[4] abc-as- interchange-file-format-users (2nd language)
Two questions arise
- is this a meaningful division?
- if so, how large
rather zip them when transferring)
Arent Storm wrote:
Having read the discussion about bang co for quite a while
I' d like to add my two (euro)cents.
I have more or less implemented a full abc import/export of
ABC in MusiCAD based on 1.6 and beyond, trying to accommodate
as much extensions
From: Jack Campin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [abcusers] About the choice of '!'
Having read the discussion about bang co for quite a while
I'd like to add my two (euro)cents.
I have more or less implemented a full abc
When trying to fit abcusers in a few groups having
[1] abc-sightreaders (without much need for software)
[2] abc-collectors
[3] abc-software-only-users (1st language)
[4] abc-as- interchange-file-format-users (2nd language)
Two questions arise
- is this a meaningful division?
- if so,
From: Phil Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 3:19 PM
Subject: [abcusers] BarFly 1.4 available
I have just uploaded a new version of BarFly.
snap
You can now optionally have the program ignore line ends in
the abc source, placing staff breaks only
From: Richard Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [abcusers] About the choice of '!'
Please don't think me rude, but I think you've missed a very large
category of users completely.
These are people who record large
From: Richard Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [abcusers] expected abc audience
snap
I'm not sure if the distinction between abc-only software and
converters-to-other-formats is meaningful - after all, midi, ps, png,
whatever,
Where it comes to to line continuation in multivoice and/or
in-line lyrics things can get (unneccessarily) complicated.
IMO line continuation should be allowed only for single voice.
For instance, the nicely text-layed-out multivoice canzonetta.abc
from the 2.0 standard would become unreadable
I would suggest that all meta-comments should be
prefixed with an appropriate string indicating the target. Like
%%FMT-composerfont Times-Bold 32
so that any abc-accepting can easily filter relevant
settings for its context.
Every abc exporting/writing program should write some
fingerprint in
Having read the discussion about bang co for quite a while
I' d like to add my two (euro)cents.
I have more or less implemented a full abc import/export of
ABC in MusiCAD based on 1.6 and beyond, trying to accommodate
as much extensions as possible (words/multivoice/etc).
When implementing
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