Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

2003-07-07 Thread Buddha Buck
On Thursday, Jul 3, 2003, at 13:52 US/Eastern, Buddha Buck wrote: On Thursday, Jul 3, 2003, at 06:43 US/Eastern, Bernard Hill wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] chemnitz.de, Joerg Anders [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes A short remark about this. Somtimes open source is equated with cost free. But even

RE: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it ...

2003-07-05 Thread Don Whitener
Wil, I checked your web site, and no mention is made of having tested or running Skink under Windows XP. I would imagine that you have had some feedback by now regarding the capability of Skink with Win XP Pro, and could you comment on this, please. As a side, someone told me that XP has a

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

2003-07-05 Thread Bert Van Vreckem
Don Whitener wrote: As a side, someone told me that XP has a built-in JRE. Do you have any knowledge of this? Would separate installation of JRE still be necessary? I have dug around a bit at Microsoft, but have not yet found an answer. Microsoft's VM is not 100% compatible with the one from

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

2003-07-05 Thread David Webber
- Original Message - From: Bert Van Vreckem [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good grief! How can you possibly do something for a living that you don't like to do? This is the sad condition of most of humanity :-( But programming is slightly different: one can enjoy programming something one is

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it ...

2003-07-05 Thread Don Whitener
I dug around a bit more late last evening. I'm not sure that I understand all that I know about this. It seems that VM may sort of go away come the first of the year. For more 'enlightnment', see: http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/java/ and

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

2003-07-04 Thread Joerg Anders
On Thu, 3 Jul 2003, Bernard Hill wrote: http://www.opensource.org/halloween The ingeneers came to some very interesting conclusions: ... All that is as maybe: I am not competent to judge. My question is simple: who pays the NoteEdit developers? Therfore I recommendend the Halloween

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

2003-07-04 Thread Dave Holland
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 08:33:01PM +0100, Bernard Hill wrote: Why are there no professional musicians who perform without being paid for it? Surely you are not trying to say that no professional musician would ever perform without payment! I know some who do. Charity events, playing for fun or

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

2003-07-04 Thread Bryancreer
Phil Taylor wrote - That's the problem with live editing. The parser has to be absolutely bullet-proof, as the user can hit it with absolutely any combination of symbols. There is really no way you can test it enough either. That's one reason why I kept BarFly free for several years while

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

2003-07-04 Thread Bernard Hill
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I'm not saying there will be no errors but we are talking shareware not big software house. I hope you are not implying that software sold by shareware methods is not as good as that sold off-the-shelf? Bernard Hill Braeburn Software

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

2003-07-04 Thread Frank Nordberg
A.M. Kuchling wrote: * Members of the appropriate sex like musicians. Might be somewhat off-topic, but this reminds me of a masterclass I once attended - by the great classical guitarist Manuel Barrueco. After we had bombared the maestro with questions about fingering, polishing nails, and

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

2003-07-04 Thread Frank Nordberg
Bernard Hill wrote: ... Why are there no professional musicians who perform without being paid for it? Hey, I'm a professional musician, and I *do* perform without being paid for it quite a lot, and so do all the collegues I know! Frank Nordberg http://www.musicaviva.com To

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

2003-07-04 Thread John Chambers
Jeff Bigler writes: | | Another angle is the business model that a former employer of mine | (Cygnus Solutions) used. Cygnus sold commercial-grade support and | development for free software. ... | Customers could also hire Cygnus to add specific | features or optimizations that

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

2003-07-04 Thread Bryancreer
Bernard Hill wrote - I hope you are not implying that software sold by shareware methods is not as good as that sold off-the-shelf? It's probably better in some ways. For an analogy, if you buy your vegetables from your neighbour who's grown them in his back garden they are probably better

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

2003-07-04 Thread ANewman110
iabc already runs and compiles under Windows and Linux. It uses wxWindows (www.wxwindows.org) as a GUI. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

2003-07-04 Thread Bernard Hill
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bert Van Vreckem [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Bernard Hill wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], A.M. Kuchling [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes * Programming is fun. Not when you do it for a living. Good grief! How can you possibly do something for a living that you don't

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

2003-07-04 Thread John Chambers
Bernard Hill writes: | In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes | while I'm one man in my back bedroom, the odd glitch might slip through. | | Yes. Of course I am in the same position. | | I've tried using beta testers but they are rarely fierce enough. | | So I fix bugs free and

RE: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

2003-07-04 Thread Wil Macaulay
] Sent: 7/4/03 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bert Van Vreckem wrote - However, a 'live' conversion to sheet music while I'm typing ABC would be nice. But very difficult to implement, I imagine. That's exactly

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

2003-07-03 Thread Bernard Hill
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] chemnitz.de, Joerg Anders [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes A short remark about this. Somtimes open source is equated with cost free. But even if I'd produce a Qt-only version, you had to pay a lot. Not to me but to the Qt developer Trolltech and to Microsoft. So what

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

2003-07-03 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Thursday, July 3, 2003, at 06:43 AM, Bernard Hill wrote: So what encourages the developer to develop code if there is no payment to the developer? Why are there amateur musicians who perform without being paid for it? * Playing music is fun, payment or not. * They want to compose their own

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

2003-07-03 Thread I. Oppenheim
On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's exactly what Abacus does. Version 1 is available from http://www.abacusmusic.co.uk/ but hang around, maybe just for a few days, and version 2 will be out. Seems to be a nice idea! Only too bad that when I made a typing mistake, your

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

2003-07-03 Thread Joerg Anders
On Thu, 3 Jul 2003, Bernard Hill wrote: A short remark about this. Somtimes open source is equated with cost free. But even if I'd produce a Qt-only version, you had to pay a lot. Not to me but to the Qt developer Trolltech and to Microsoft. So what encourages the developer to develop

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

2003-07-03 Thread John Chambers
Bernard Hill writes: | In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] | chemnitz.de, Joerg Anders [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes | | A short remark about this. Somtimes open source is equated with | cost free. But even if I'd produce a Qt-only version, you had | to pay a lot. Not to me but to the Qt developer Trolltech

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

2003-07-03 Thread Bernard Hill
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], A.M. Kuchling [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Thursday, July 3, 2003, at 06:43 AM, Bernard Hill wrote: So what encourages the developer to develop code if there is no payment to the developer? Why are there amateur musicians who perform without being paid for it?

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

2003-07-03 Thread John Chambers
Joerg Anders writes: | On Thu, 3 Jul 2003, Bernard Hill wrote: | I confess I don't understand the Linux setup *at all*. | | Perhaps interesting: Two Microsoft ingeneers, Vinod Valloppillil and | Josh Cohen had the task to answer this question in an internal | Microsoft paper, which was betrayed

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

2003-07-03 Thread Bernard Hill
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Calum Galleitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Thursday 03 July 2003 10:43 am, Bernard Hill wrote: So what encourages the developer to develop code if there is no payment to the developer? AMK mostly summarised it. I found it difficult to really understand why it

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

2003-07-03 Thread Bernard Hill
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Bernard Hill writes: | In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] | chemnitz.de, Joerg Anders [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes | | A short remark about this. Somtimes open source is equated with | cost free. But even if I'd produce a Qt-only version,

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

2003-07-03 Thread Phil Taylor
I.Oppenheim wrote: On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's exactly what Abacus does. Version 1 is available from http://www.abacusmusic.co.uk/ but hang around, maybe just for a few days, and version 2 will be out. Seems to be a nice idea! Only too bad that when I made a typing

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

2003-07-03 Thread Bryancreer
Irwin Oppenheim said - On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's exactly what Abacus does. Version 1 is available from http://www.abacusmusic.co.uk/ but hang around, maybe just for a few days, and version 2 will be out. Seems to be a nice idea! Only too bad that when I made a

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

2003-07-03 Thread Richard Robinson
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 11:41:26PM +0100, Phil Taylor wrote: I.Oppenheim wrote: On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's exactly what Abacus does. Version 1 is available from http://www.abacusmusic.co.uk/ but hang around, maybe just for a few days, and version 2 will be

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

2003-07-03 Thread John Chambers
Bernard Hill writes: | | ... none of that tells me why anyone creates software in the first | place. I do not start projects which are not going to bring money in. I | see clearly that as an end-user having the source code is beneficial - | but what's in it for the programmer who created it?

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

2003-07-03 Thread Jeff Bigler
From: Calum Galleitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 20:03:01 + That doesn't mean that all software should be made Free. Your software is unique, as far as I know, in coming as close to a freehand notation package as possible. I don't think there's anything else with your