[abcusers] ties and accidentals

2002-02-06 Thread Phil Headford
I can't understand why I've read so many emails on this topic. ABC quite clearly differentiates between slurs and ties (which is more than stave notation does), but some player somewhere interprets ^F-|F as (^F|=F). So? Mend the player. This is the abcusers group, not the software developers'

Re: [abcusers] ties and accidentals

2002-02-06 Thread Atte Andre Jensen
On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Phil Headford wrote: I can't understand why I've read so many emails on this topic. ABC quite clearly differentiates between slurs and ties (which is more than stave notation does), but some player somewhere interprets ^F-|F as (^F|=F). So? The whole thing started with

RE: [abcusers] ties and accidentals

2002-02-06 Thread Erik Ronström
In reply to the message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, we've got frequency and duration covered. Now all that's missing is a way to express amplitude and timbre, but since the ABC standard never really supported dynamics or instrument definitions, I don't see that we need to go that far.

Re: [abcusers] ties and accidentals

2002-02-06 Thread Laurie Griffiths
Muse uses sound card to play ABC. Has for ages. I'd be very surprised indeed if it's the only one. I have always presumed that all of those player programs use the sound card. Do you mean plays as wave sound rather than MIDI? Laurie - Original Message - From: Phil Headford [EMAIL

Re: [abcusers] Playing through sound card

2002-02-06 Thread Laura Conrad
Laurie == Laurie Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Laurie Muse is only £20 and does it in one, but are there not free ones? abc2midi in combination with a MIDI player. I'm pretty sure there's some kind of MIDI player that comes with Windows; I use the version of Cakewalk that came with

Re: [abcusers] how to solve the slur problem (kludge :-)

2002-02-06 Thread Erik Ronström
--- Funzionario E.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as a last resort, you may consider writing your ABC source code using abcpp #defines. As it happens, I wrote it to circumvent abc2midi's idiosyncrasies. This is what I would do: It is a logical step, but IMHO it will lead to different versions

Re: [abcusers] ties and accidentals

2002-02-06 Thread James Allwright
On Wed 06 Feb 2002 at 12:26PM +0100, Atte Andre Jensen wrote: James Allwright, will you please reconsider changing the behavior of abc2midi so that it interprets ^F-|F as ^F-|^F and not ^F|=F, since it's widely agreed here on the list that that would be the prober way of understanding

[abcusers] Is ABC going anywhere?

2002-02-06 Thread bob
At 07:04 PM 2/1/2002 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can argue about ^F-|F till the cows come home. Jack Campin's proposal for the Q: command seemed to reach some sort of satisfactory conclusion and then vanished. John Chambers has proposed all sorts of interesting ideas. Until you have

Re: [abcusers] ties and accidentals

2002-02-06 Thread jhoerr
On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, James Allwright wrote: It would also be nice to find a written standard to support the interpreation, since the only definition I can find says nothing about ties and so implies that the accidental is necessary. I just took a look at the draft standard, and it doesn't

Re: [abcusers] how to solve the slur problem (kludge :-)

2002-02-06 Thread John Chambers
Erik writes: | --- Funzionario E.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | as a last resort, you may consider writing your ABC source | code using abcpp #defines. As it happens, I wrote it to | circumvent abc2midi's idiosyncrasies. | This is what I would do: | | It is a logical step, but IMHO it will

RE: [abcusers] ties and accidentals

2002-02-06 Thread jhoerr
On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, [iso-8859-1] Erik Ronström wrote: I think I'd get your point anyway. I don't think you do get my point. It seems self-evident to me that ABC is pseudo-staff notation. You have made it clear *that* you disagree, but not *why*. Where else do you think ABC got the concepts

Re: [abcusers] Is ABC going anywhere?

2002-02-06 Thread John Chambers
Bob Archer wrote: | At 04:09 AM 2/6/2002 UTC, John Chambers wrote: | What seems to have happened is more or less consistent with the past | work on abc. The (semi-official) standards committee started with the | idea that what it needed was a clear formulation of abc version 1.6 | as a

Re: [abcusers] Playing through sound card

2002-02-06 Thread Steve Mansfield
Laura Conrad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : abc2midi in combination with a MIDI player. I'm pretty sure there's some kind of MIDI player that comes with Windows; I use the version of Cakewalk that came with my soundcard. Yeah, Media Player (in its various flavours) comes with all versions of

RE: [abcusers] ties and accidentals

2002-02-06 Thread Buddha Buck
At 12:52 PM 02-06-2002 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, [iso-8859-1] Erik Ronström wrote: I think I'd get your point anyway. I don't think you do get my point. It seems self-evident to me that ABC is pseudo-staff notation. You have made it clear *that* you disagree,

Re: [abcusers] ties and accidentals

2002-02-06 Thread John Chambers
One of those other Johns wrote: | On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, James Allwright wrote: | | It would also be nice to find a written standard to support the | interpreation, since the only definition I can find says nothing about | ties and so implies that the accidental is necessary. | | I just took a

Re: [abcusers] the abc standard [was: abc - the new HTML?]

2002-02-06 Thread John Chambers
Atte wrote: | On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, John Chambers wrote: | | snip I'm not up to | | date with the work on the standard, is there still a commission | | working on what to include in the standard? I really think this work is | | extremely important if abc is to have any future. | | What seems

RE: [abcusers] ties and accidentals

2002-02-06 Thread jhoerr
On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Buddha Buck wrote: So you would agree with the following text [snipped] Yes. See the section on beaming... Beaming is meaningless outside of staff notation. I disagree. Beaming is used in staff notation to indicate musical rhythm. In the face of M:, beaming may

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