I have been playing around with WebCatalogue for a few days and come up
with a new design for the abcusers tune archive.
It's not nearly finished yet, but if you like you can have a look at it at
http://www.musicaviva.com/abctest/index.html
Any comments bug reports etc. are appreciated
One new
R:Jig
Z:Transcribed by Frank Nordberg
S:Based on various versions posted on Internet, mainly a transcription
by John Walsh
M:6/8
L:1/8
K:ADor
"Am"eAA "G"BAA|"Am"eAA "Em"ABd|"Am"eAA BAB|"G"dBG GBd|\
"Am"eAA BAA|"Am"eAA AGE
This was posted at WHquestion a some days ago:
SkyCMe wants to know:
"Is there a Web Site out there that I can use to write out music on staff's and then
print it out for free?"
I suppose the only realistic way to get anything resembling that wouild
be ABC.
Any suggestions
Explorer, browse the Web and much more MSN
Explorer even offers an exciting new look for using the Web and makes it easy to
find
and play music online.
Oh, so they finally got around to ripping off ICQ then?
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reason for that strange ending.
The superfluous naturals towards the end isn't her fault, though. I had
to add them because of a playback bug in BarFly.
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X:433
T:Polka fra Saltdal
C:trad., arr. Kjersti Nilsen (1992)
O:Norway
A:Saltdal
V:1 Program 1 110 %Fiddle
V:2 Program 2
...
This raises an interesting question. How are dynamics implemented in ABC
nowadays? I know there have been a couple of discussions about it here,
but so far it seems to be no results. The "^..." and "_..." syntaxes are
supported on jut a very basic level by BarFly and not at all by abc2
nothing about Jo Bråttkorp)
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nds at all after this stunt?
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Laura Conrad wrote:
abc2ps -h says:
Alloc options:
-maxs n set maximal number of symbols (default 800)
-maxv n set maximal number of voices (default 4)
so saying:
abc2ps -maxs 2000
should do the trick.
That did the job. Thanks a lot Laura :*
(And a
ed version of Polka fra
Saltdal.
Just a pleasure, but don't post it anywhere yet. I haven' got permission
from the arranger to use it. She's an extremely nice and kind girl, so
I'm fairly sure she'll say it's OK, but she hasn't replied to my last e
mail yet.
God helg!
Frank Nordberg
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, and that isn't nearly as sophisticated as that.
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In case somebody wonder why I've been so quiet recently:
I've just finished the first half of my own private O'Neill project.
The first 500 tunes from Francis O'Neill: "The Dance Music of Ireland"
(known as "O'Neill's 1001") is now available as ABC at:
Phil Taylor wrote:
The program MacMIDI2abc which I mentioned previously is available
from:
http://www.dr-razz.com/midi2abc/
It's a very nice Macintosh port of James' midi2abc.
Phil Taylor
Seems really good. There are still a few bugs (feature that doesn't
work), as well as a few
"Atchley, John" wrote:
Wow! Are you wearing bifocals yet?!
No, but I think I should.
Bert Van Vreckem wrote:
Dzjeez, what kind of a job do you have that leaves you with so much free
time?
Just don't tell my boss, OK?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Meanwhile, I told my ABC bot
and
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ith the O'Neill tunes is that many of them doesn't seem to
have a clearly defined tonal centre at all.
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John Henckel wrote:
At 01:36 PM 10/7/2000 +0200, you wrote:
To make matters worse, *no* ABC program seems to support nested
slurs. Thinks like |(GA({c}B) AGF)| occurs fequently in 1001,
and that isn't possible in ABC at all.
abcm2ps seems to support it just fine. It is
Phil Taylor wrote:
Any BarFly users thinking of installing the newest version of
Quicktime should be aware that the Quicktime Musical Instruments
which come with it are seriously buggy...
Thanks Phil. I guess I'll stick to QuickTime 4 for a while then.
Frank
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that three independently developed ABC
applications can have exactly the same bug. So, is there any tradition
anywhere for the "five notes in the place of two" definition of quintuplets?
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Jack Campin wrote:
What is a problem is that the Mac version of abc2mtex does absolutely
nothing on my system
I didn't know there was a Mac version of abc2mtex. Where can I find it?
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) internet file
format are completely alien to both companies :(
Maybe we need an abc2finale translator to take advantage of it?
Well, it should be doable. Finale uses two different file format, and
one of them is text, not binary.
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Hi,
Is there any documentation on the Finale format (text or binary). I might give this
abc2finale a try.
The Finale text format is called ETF (Enigma Transportable File). It was
an early - and rather half hearted - attempt to create a common file
format for
.
Yes, but in music notation it's usually impossible to draw a clear line
between information content and formatting.
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Laurie Griffiths wrote:
I have had an ambition to cross an ocean under sail for
many years. I am now going to attempt to do it.
Wow
Have fun Laurie!
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Laura Conrad wrote:
"Frank" == Frank Nordberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Frank I don't know what you mean with "stable", Laura. Finale has
Frank been around for more than ten years now and has remained
Frank more or less the industial standard for mos
are already polyphonic.
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I think Jean-Francois meant it the other way round. That it ought to be
possible to play the same voice through two or more midi channels simultaneously.
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Richard Robinson wrote:
...
There is something like that with my stuff,
http://www,leeds.ac.uk/music/Info/RRTuneBk/
A typo there, Richard:
http://www.leeds.ac.uk/music/Info/RRTuneBk/
^
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Just for the sake of completeness:
There is a Windows program that is supposed to be able to print blank
music paper at:
http://perso.easynet.fr/~philimar/graphpapeng.htm
The output I've seen looks really tacky, but I thought I'd mention it.
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is a couple of months or so, and it's
getting better all the time. Coincidentally, that is more or less the
same as most general www search engines can claim.
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and treating
it as ABC.
Actually I think it is a program out there that does that.
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any good midi search engines out there,
so why bother making another one?
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(although we do
exchange URLs)
In case of e mail accidents: All lines in the list should start with
http:// (of course ;)
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http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/music/abc/
http://www.taberna.com.ar/
http://adactio.com/session/
http://home.t-online.de/home/pheld/noten.htm
http://diato.org
format.
Do any of them have online communities
of users?
All of them have in one way or another.
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You did send this to Laurie personally too, didn't you?
Frank
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send it to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Laurie Griffiths wrote:
Someone please help me.
When I went off sailing I sent something to the list machine to tell it
to stop sending me mail. It was off the
info about the etf format at:
http://www.s-line.de/homepages/gerd_castan/compmus/notationformats_e.html#ETF
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ves.
True, but deciding what te music actually was, would be much harder.
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Frank Nordberg wrote:
[snip]
V:2
BB2B (G2G2)|BGB2 BGB2|cd ec BGB2|z A z E z F z F|GD2B, G,4|]
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What's going on here?
I added a lot of blank lines after the ABC when I sent this e mail, and
the abcusers
, can anyone explain what happens - and more important where in the
chain it happens?
John's posting seems to work fine, but mine is always missing the blank lines.
Hmmm
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5th 2000.
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s.
V:2
G F E/D/ E F3 z F G A G/A/ F F EF G F E/D/ E F4|]
w:Tu-os sub--di-tos ser-va car-nis_ fra-gi-lis_ mo-le po--si-tos.
It's certainly a bug, but one that might be useful.
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isn't nearly as standardized as it should be.
Have you tried using ordinary ps instead of eps? Both abc2ps and
Illustrator is certainly able to handle that format as well.
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James Allwright wrote:
On Thu 08 Feb 2001 at 12:35PM +0100, Frank Nordberg wrote:
(Note: There shouldn't be any grace notes in this tune, of course. I
just happened to have it handy for testing...)
The results:
BarFlydisplays and plays back nicely.
abc2midi plays back
at viola stunt was originally
introduced by Hoffnung in a parody of modern music. I don't know if
Schickele used it in some P. D. Q. composition, but if he did, he stole
it from Hoffnung.
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Laura Conrad wrote:
Chris Walshaw wrote:
Chris Mea culpa. I agree - I too am more interested in
Chris music (and my work)
Chris than defining the standard and both of those have been
Chris going rather well recently. John Atchley has volunteered
rning!!!)
Apparently this was the source of quite a lot of the problems Willie
Nelson had getting accepted in Nashville. Mr. Nelson is definitely *not*
a fan of the three chord trick, and his rather sophisticated chord
progressions didn't fit very well inot the system the Nashville studio
musicians w
to recognise them.
The exact syntax for chord notation isn't really covered in the abc
specs at all. As far as I know, abc2midi is the only application that
attempts to do anything with the chords (apart from writing them down,
of course) at all, and that program has a rather chord repertoire
Laurie Griffiths wrote:
...
Am and then that would be how it shall be.
(For non-native English speakers, please note
that I, a native British English speaker am not at
all sure whether "shall" is really the tense I want
but I mean that the law is laid down, the tablets
of stone carved
erm originally meant that the fourth was held
over from the previous chord, but people tend to have a far more relaxed
attitude towards chord voicing nowadays.
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g the bulk of my music transcription work
with some other non-abc program package.
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rrange pre-war
swing like this.
+There isn't a single typo in this chord progression
+There isn't a single superfluous chord there.
+In case anybody wants to try it out, the first twelve bars are the
theme, the next
24 are the clarinet solo - which I played almost exactly like Woody
Herman did.
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alternatives.
And then, Frank Nordberg wrote:
Laurie Griffiths wrote:
[...] for instance minmaj is crazy
Do you mean the name is crazy or that nobody would ever use such a
chord? I can agree to the former, but a minor chord with a major 7th
added isn't unusual.
The name is crazy
Laurie Griffiths wrote:
Frank Nordberg wants the modifier list to include...
No, I don't. I want the entire modifier list replaced with a set of
fairly simple rules defining the syntax of the modifier.
If I understand Mike Whitaker's proposal (which I'm not absolutely sure
I do) correctly
Just two short apologizes - quite malapropos everything.
I've struggled with some annoying time delays during this entire
discussion. My own postings has sometimes taken ages to appear, and I've
received other peoples posting in the wrong order (frequently getting
somebody's reply before
Laura Conrad wrote:
"Laurie" == Laurie Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
...Is this an appropriate moment to suggest throwing
in roman-numeral and figured-bass notations as well?
Laurie Yes, it's the right moment, but I vote against it.
I would have said, no, it's not
Laurie Griffiths wrote:
(I'm still wading through version 2 of the Rocky grammar).
I don't want to exclude Jazz guitarists from using ABC but I also feel that
I don't want ABC cluttered up with very complicated descriptions of chords.
Oh well, time for the big showdown then :-|
Chris
, that is they were treated exactly
as I've told Netscape to treat ABC files.
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nd Mac/AOL. That ought to cover the most common
combinations, but there are still lots of holes, and any help filling
them would be very much appreciated.
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Alan Ng wrote:
Hello again,
I appreciate the reasons why John C. and Frank Nordberg have compiled
browser customization tips for committed abc users, ...
It wasn't much of an effort. Basically there was this discussion here at
abcusers and wer decided to just post it.
...
OK, now
debates about the exact syntax for this ;-) but
the general principles shouldn't be too controvertial, should it?
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Laurie Griffiths wrote:
I don't know whether C7(9)+13 is gibberish or meaningful or, if meaningful,
what it might mean.
I'd say C7 with an added augmented 13 - and throw in the ninth too if
you like)
In other words:
C-G-E-Bb-A# with an optional D
(Of course you have to be really concerned
Just got this e mail and thought somebody at abcusers might be interested.
Frank Nordberg
Kyle Aaron wrote:
Hello, Friends!
My name is Kyle Aaron. I am a Commercial Music Major
at South Plains College in Levelland, Texas. I just
finished my new web site, "The Fiddle
e/key sig discussion was rather
important, and we really ought to finnish it. But recently even
mentioning the subject has been impossible.
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mething coherent out of it afterwards. Just like Bryan, I'm not
convinced it'll actually work. But we have to give it a try. There
doesn't seem to be any alternatives.
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ly states that global accidentals is *not* a part
of the key signature.
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seems to require a space between the key signature and
the acidentals (e.g. D ^e_f rather than D^e_f), but keeping it might
still be a bit too confusing.
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is:
C-D-E-F#-G-A-Bb-c
Or, to be more precise (for the benefit of any mathematicians who might
subscribe to the list):
n - n9/8 - n5/4 - n11/8 - n3/2 - n13/8 - n7/4 - n2
(the observant reader might notice that the system actually calls for an
extra note, but that one isn't generally used)
Frank
/Museum/4915/SALLOW.HTM
in case anybody is interested.
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uot; in this context.
A popular Swedish (of course) songbook actually insists on using "trad.
arr." as the composer ;)
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that have transient
modulations from minor into the relative hejaz.
Interesting. Could you name some specific examples?
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X:1
T:La primavera
T:Op. 8 n. 1
C:Antonio Vivaldi
Z:Transcribed by Frank Nordberg - http://www.musicaviva.com
M:C
L:1/8
K:E
V:1 %Violino principale
P:1
, the youth turned exitedly to his fellow and
said "now is the time to speak!" whereupon the old hand calmy replied
"now is the time to shut up".
I'll say no more.
Frank
Richard Robinson wrote:
On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Frank Nordberg said
ames apply to
different scales in ancient Greece music and modern modality.
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arp".
Is "EmG" a pair of alternatives?
More probably a typo for Em/G, although a G chord does sound quite nice there.
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he
program is as simple as it can possibly be, so I'll recommend the
program to all Macintosh users.
As far as I know, there are no similar programs for other platforms :(
but maybe somebody else know of something?
Frank Nordberg
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Laurie Griffiths wrote:
I presume "$" meant U.S. dollars. What currency is "#"?
Was that a misprint for "$" or something else?
I suppose it means you can choose any currency you like ;)
Italian lire or Russian rubels would be my favorites.
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time all the melodies have been
released in abc format.
It is! And you beat me to it by just a week or two... ;-)
Congratulations!!!
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programs
(including music publishing programs) can output postscript directly, so
if you use Finale, Igor, lilypond, MusTex or Sibelius, you don't have to
bother with the printer driver.
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g the data.
Of course, all the uppercase letters are in use for field flags, so I don't
know what would be best -- maybe lowercase c: ?
Is this something that seems valuable to anyone else?
Definitely yes.
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w
arranger
BarFly
BMW2ABC
Harmony Assistant
indexabc
jaabc2ps
m2g
Macabc2chord
macmidi2abc
Melody Assistant
midi2abc
Muse
MusicEase
NMD2ABC
playabc
PlayQABC
Runabc.tcl
SET6
Skink
sw2abc
TablEdit
tclabc
tkabc
Virtual Composer
Yaps
Yaps (Macintosh version)
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C:Niel Gow
R:Jig
M:6/8
L:1/8
K:D
D2dF2A|E2cC2E|D2dF2A|DFA gfe|D2dF2A|E2cC2E|
agf gfe|[1dAFD2z:|[2dAFD2|:g|fdg faf|ece gfe|
fdg fag|fda bg|fdg faf|ece gfe|agf gfe|dAFD2:|
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Bert Van Vreckem wrote:
Frank Nordberg wrote:
Does anybody know what's happened to abc2whis, btw? I can't find it
anywhere on the web.
Google found it at ftp://ftp.numachi.com/pub/abc2whis-0.1.tar.gz
I found that one, but unfortunately the server doesn't seem to accept
guest ftp
know anything about it?
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a newcomer to the group. Where do I find this list of useful ABC
software that Frank compiled?
http://www.musicaviva.com/abc/abcapps/index.tpl
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that it doesn't
give you PDF output.
Sorry about that folks.
Oh well, PrintToPDF does exactly the same job as the HP driver in any
case. And switching printer driver is almost as easy as switching
between paper and PDF print with the same driver. PrintToPDF is $20
shareware, though.
Frank Nordberg
the archive.
Even so the total number of tunes are now 206.
I'll especially recommend everybody to have a look at Jack Campin's
postings. He has made it a really nice habit to post some wonderful
music nobody else has ever heard about.
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growing
list.
Will do. Can I add the perl scripts at
http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/music/sh/
as well?
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lty/artdes/Global/Fiddle/Tunes/index.html
http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a7425519/
http://www.uni-jena.de/~osb/tradswed/
http://www.webcom.com/~liam/gaelsong/song.html
http://www.yagelski.com/sbox/index.html
http://www1.roke.co.uk/SIB/repertoire.html
http://zimmer.csufresno.edu/~larryc/
Frank Nor
o/RRTuneBk/tunebook.html
Robert Bley-Vroman http://www.lll.hawaii.edu/esl/bley-vroman/contra/
Sigfrid Lundberghttp://www.lub.lu.se/~siglun/
Laurie Griffithshttp://www.musements.co.uk/muse
Frank Nordberg http://www.musicaviva.com/index.html
Jack Campin http://www.purr.demon.
y used by electronic
instruments. That's one of the main reason (perhaps *the* main reason)
why a musical piece played by a computer sounds "unnatural" and "synthetic".
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)?
The abcusers archive is at:
http://iona.tullochgorm.com/abcusers_archive/
Don't tell anybody outside the list.
THe archive hasn't been updated for quite a while though.
Is it possible to receive only the digest?
Yes, as far as I know, but I'm not the right person to answer that question.
Frank
Simon Wascher wrote:
Hello,
Frank Nordberg wrote: (...)
This reminds me, btw. I forgot to list the contributors in my last message:(...)
Any corrections and additions to the URL list?
Yes indeed. this URL is still working but the provider company was
bought and so they changed all
ng to transfer Groven's system to
the grand piano, employing three pianos linked by a computer.
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Matt wrote:
Frank Nordberg wrote:
The abcusers archive is at:
http://iona.tullochgorm.com/abcusers_archive/
Thanks, Frank, but is it working? The header on that page seems to refer to a
Gaelic language list, and when I submit a search, I get redirected to a login
after each and every bar in ABC.
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Macabc2chord
Freeware
Extracts the chord symbols from an ABC file. Requires MacPerl to run.
---
Melody Assistant
Shareware
Useless crap.
---
Melody Assistant
Shareware
Extended version of the useless crap.
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but that link seems to be broken.
You should also have a look at Brenda Holloway's "Playback Machine":
http://www.mbay.net/~brendah/articles/
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Laura Conrad wrote:
There are certainly text editors for the pilot...
Just one little thing I forgot to say: If you're planning to write or
edit ABC on a PDA, make sure you get one with a keyboard. You don't want
to do that kind of work writing on a screen.
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Phil Taylor wrote:
There's a new version of BarFly up for grabs.
Great :)
Get it from:
http://rbu01.ed-rbu.mrc.ac.uk/barflystuff/barflypage.html
(and in due course from the mirrors)
The Musica Viva mirror is updated:
http://www.musicaviva.com/software/index.tpl
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comes up with 96 hits, so I suppose
it shouldn't be too hard to track him down.
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a home page at
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~markf/
but that's only an empty directory at the moment.
A Google search for Mark Fitzsimons comes up with 96 hits, so I suppose
it shouldn't be too hard to track him down.
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confused about
this ;-)
There's a list of all the general midi programs at
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