Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] A11y regressions

[V Stuart Foote]

Sorry, nothing new here, and I would not characterize the LibreOffice
development as becomming more inaccessible in ensuing releases. 


MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote
> ... in Writer, access to format and style bar becomes (ery
> difficult with keyboard. 

Yes this is a problem, the F11 Styles & Formatting dialog was pushed into
the Sidebar but remains SRC based.  F6, F10 sequence navigation is not fully
supported, and there is a lack of keyboard shortcut/accelerator assignments
for components in the Sidebar ( tdf#84502
  ).

The .src for the Styles & Formatting content panel in decks for each module
are:

Writer
http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/sw/source/ui/app/app.src

Calc
http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/sc/source/ui/styleui/scstyles.src

Impress/Draw
http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/sd/source/ui/app/res_bmp.src

Unfortunately the .src is not fully integrated into the .ui oriented
Sidebar, and probably needs to be converted fully to .ui for seamless
keyboard navigation behavior and provide quick help as accessible text.

That should probably be written up as a new a11y related enhancement.


> ... tables are still nearly impossible to be
> browsed properly. 

That is  tdf#87680
  


> Bullets are not spoken at all and don't appear.

That is  tdf#93139
  






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Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] A11y regressions

[V Stuart Foote]

Sophi,

That is  bug 87680
  No accessible
caret-moved events in Writer tables

Affecting horizontal cursor--tab movement between table cells--IAccessible2
and ATK, probably NSAccess as well.

Unconfirmed--because no reliable test case.

Stuart



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Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] A11y regressions

[MENGUAL Jean-Philippe]

Hi,

Thanks Sophie. I wait for any feedback. I'm aware I should fill bugs,
and I'll try doing it. But for example, so far, the caret lost in
tables, bug !eported by Jeanmarie Diggs, hasn't been confirmed or
handled at all. So I'm worry as bugs are not handled, for obvious
reasons (volunteers), but other come. Hence my worry.

Anyway I'll try to fill bugs again. And hope this mail will start a
common thought process.

Regards,


Le 21/03/2016 15:24, Sophie a écrit :
> Hi Jean-Philippe,
> 
> Sorry for top posting, but just to let you know that I've contacted the
> UX/Design team about your mail and will follow-up on this.
> Best would be that we fill bug on each regression you found on master,
> but I'll come back to you about this once I've an overview of who will
> deal with them.
> Cheers
> Sophie
> Le 21/03/2016 14:10, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe a écrit :
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just want to report that LO a11y is regressing more and more between
>> each new release. The latest usable on Linux was 4.2.6. After known
>> regressions in 4.3, things go down. I now test 5.1.1, and now it's
>> really hard. 1st in Writer, access to format and style bar becomes (ery
>> difficult with keyboard. Next, tables are still nearly impossible to be
>> browsed properly. Bullets are not spoken at all and don't appear.
>>
>> In Calc, strong lag at filling cells, even in little tables. Weird
>> characters in braille which fill the cells and hide the proper text.
>> Some cells are not read, interface is not accessible. Well... I can
>> report bugs, but I'm worry. A11y tends not to be considered at all in
>> developments by anyone.
>>
>> To make Writer accessible, work is estimated for 4 months, 6 euros,
>> with 1 certificated LO dev + screen reader expert. While I'm thinking of
>> how to finance this, LO should at least be aware of the problem to set a
>> policy in order to avoid future regressions. Noawadays, LO is broken, on
>> Linux as on Windows, while Linux had advance.
>>
>> Well, I wanted to report the problem. If I can help in some thoughts
>> (non-reg test, review to fix situation, etc), LO should work actively
>> with Igalia and Collabora to fix things. Otherwise, we can imagine a
>> come back on Office at work for impaired people. At least, please alert
>> all devs of this bad tendance.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
> 
> 

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Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] A11y regressions

[Sophie]

Hi Vincenzo,
Le 21/03/2016 15:33, Vincenzo Rubano a écrit :
> Just wanted to report that lo accessibility is broken on OS X as well!

Sorry to hear that, but we need details on what is broken. If you want
developers to take care of fixing what is broken, they need to know
exactly what is not working as expected. Be aware that volunteers work
on their spare time, so any help on your part will be greatly appreciated.

Kind regards
Sophie

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