On Monday 28 April 2008, Elaine Ashton wrote:
Sure, I can see what you mean, and that sounds very altruistic, to
keep
Elaine's material 'on file' so to speak. It's a highly defensible
position,
on the face of it, but in reality, we all know what being quietly
side-lined
means.
On Thu, 1 May 2008, Shlomi Fish wrote:
I met on IRC[1], or for saying There's a girl on #perl, instead of there's
a programmer on #perl or whatever.
This sort of thing is classic sexism. You're making a big deal out of
someone's sex.
Imagine if every time you logged on to IRC someone got
On May 1, 2008, at 10:41 AM, Dave Rolsky wrote:
Imagine if every time you logged on to IRC someone got all excited
and said There's a Jew on #perl. Would that make you feel
comfortable? Would you want to come back? Would it make you feel
included in the group?
This analogy is
On Thu, 1 May 2008, Andy Lester wrote:
Imagine if every time you logged on to IRC someone got all excited and said
There's a Jew on #perl. Would that make you feel comfortable? Would you
want to come back? Would it make you feel included in the group?
This analogy is beautiful. It also
I heard somewhere that freedom cannot be given, and it must be taken
and fought for.
LOL. I was going to say that it must have been Charlton Heston, but
then remembered the real quote which is:
Freedom cannot be given... It can only be taken away.
I'll merely wait and see just how things
On Thu, 1 May 2008, Elaine Ashton wrote:
LOL. I was going to say that it must have been Charlton Heston, but then
remembered the real quote which is:
Freedom cannot be given... It can only be taken away.
There seem to be a number of versions of this quote on the net. Some match
the meaning
On 01 May, 2008, at 17:45, Dave Rolsky wrote:
You all lose points. Shlomi loses for quoting the tagline to a
Spielberg film as if it were deep philosophy. Elaine loses for
managing to find the negative version, when most net sources seem
to go with the positive.
Negative version? I
On Sunday 27 April 2008 21:43:35 Shlomi Fish wrote:
the conversion to XHTML
1.1 (valid now) etc. the patch will be very huge, so I'll just send you the
new file. You can find it here:
http://www.shlomifish.org/perl-timeline-temp/PerlTimeline.html
Excellent work.
All that was said, I
but I'm not really surprised when she
gets her project whipped from under her feet.
No one is stopping any other project from doing anything. Nobody is
taking away any projects from anyone else.
Plurality is the nature of open source, and it's an additive process,
not a subtractive
From: Andy Lester [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Plurality is the nature of open source, and it's an additive process,
not a subtractive one. Template Toolkit doesn't take away from
Mason. Devel::*Prof don't take away from Devel::DProf. Perlbuzz
doesn't take away from use.perl.org. Perl 6 doesn't
On Monday 28 April 2008, Richard Foley wrote:
On Sunday 27 April 2008 21:43:35 Shlomi Fish wrote:
the conversion to XHTML
1.1 (valid now) etc. the patch will be very huge, so I'll just send you
the new file. You can find it here:
On 28 Apr, 2008, at 12:22, Richard Foley wrote:
Well, I started to revise it myself once, but didn't get much of an
answer
from anywhere about how to take it on either. I wasn't offered my
own new
wiki-thread though, maybe I didn't ask the right person...
What, did you have problems
Elaine Ashton wrote:
I'll welcome updates.
I'll welcome fixed links and html.
I'll welcome new content.
brian and chromatic have posted a few 'Year in Review' type nodes to
Perlmonks and oreillynet that would likely be helpful if someone were to
work on some updates. Here's the link to
On 27 Apr 2008, at 04:00, Elaine Ashton wrote:
Not sure why you're pissed at me, other than reflex.
I'm stating the obvious and my opinion. Both of you are terrific at
stirring the shit and then letting it fall to the winds. I'd have a
lot more interest if either of you had anything but
On Apr 27, 2008, at 8:40 AM, Elaine Ashton wrote:
On 26 Apr, 2008, at 23:52, Chris Dolan wrote:
I also apologize for my stream-of-consciousness comments that
started with ugh and ended with me acknowledging the value of
the timeline. The ugh came from reading 1969-1986, which seemed
to
On 27 Apr, 2008, at 9:58, Chris Dolan wrote:
I offered you a very thorough apology. Are you going to accept it
and move on, or continue to flame me?
You must be reasonably new around these parts. That wasn't a flame,
at least not from me. :)
Just put up or shut up.
e.
Hi Elaine!
I'm terribly sorry for not trying harder to contact you earlier, and for
announcing my intentions to the list. I'm really appreciative of all the
great work you've put into the Perl Timeline up to now. See below for the
rest of my response.
On Sunday 27 April 2008, Elaine Ashton
On 27 Apr, 2008, at 15:43, Shlomi Fish wrote:
I agree that advocacy@perl.org can become a bit political,
especially since
I've joined.
Perl is little but politics. The same social dysfunctions that
existed at the announcement of the P6 fork that led me to say that it
would never come
([EMAIL PROTECTED] seems to forward to an inactive address which bounces -
de-CCing).
On Saturday 26 April 2008, Shlomi Fish wrote:
Hi all!
I'd like to start the long task of updating
http://history.perl.org/PerlTimeline.html which has been stopped at 2002.
What I'm planning to do is:
1
On Apr 26, 2008, at 12:28 PM, Shlomi Fish wrote:
On Saturday 26 April 2008, Chris Dolan wrote:
To share the work, what do you think about moving it to the wiki? Or
at least making the working copy be on the wiki with a release HTML
version pulled off periodically (with a link back to the
On Apr 26, 2008, at 7:39 PM, Elaine Ashton wrote:
In any case, I first want to get the legal status of the document
cleared
before we wikify it.
NO.
Sounds like it's time to start a new history wiki page and go forward
from there.
xoxo,
Andy
--
Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] =
On 26 Apr, 2008, at 20:53, Andy Lester wrote:
On Apr 26, 2008, at 7:39 PM, Elaine Ashton wrote:
In any case, I first want to get the legal status of the document
cleared
before we wikify it.
NO.
Sounds like it's time to start a new history wiki page and go
forward from there.
You
Sounds like it's time to start a new history wiki page and go
forward from there.
You know, my toddler has more social skills than you as although she
thinks everything is hers, she can be placated with a snack and/or a
nap and, in fact, I told the person who forwarded the message that I
On Apr 26, 2008, at 10:00 PM, Elaine Ashton wrote:
throwing onto some damn wiki and hoping someone else will do the
work for you.
Not to speak for Shlomi, but I suspect his purpose of putting
something on a wiki isn't to get other people to do the work for him,
but to allow others to
Elaine,
If some of your anger was inspired by my comments, I apologize. I
had no intention to insult you or your work.
My suggestion of a wiki was not to make light of the amount of work
of the existing timeline, but instead to recognize that amount of
work by suggesting that no one
On Apr 26, 2008, at 10:40 PM, Andy Lester wrote:
On Apr 26, 2008, at 10:00 PM, Elaine Ashton wrote:
throwing onto some damn wiki and hoping someone else will do the
work for you.
Not to speak for Shlomi, but I suspect his purpose of putting
something on a wiki isn't to get other people
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