Re: [agi] Bayes rule in the brain

2004-02-01 Thread Pei Wang
Ben, We seem to agree that probability theory can/should be applied in certain situations, but not in certain others. Now the problem is the condition for the application. Clearly, when there isn't much data, probability theory shouldn't be used. If the available data is rich, it is usually fine

RE: [agi] Bayes rule in the brain

2004-02-01 Thread Ben Goertzel
Ben, We seem to agree that probability theory can/should be applied in certain situations, but not in certain others. Now the problem is the condition for the application. Not exactly. I think that probability theory is nearly always useful, but that in some situations it can be used

Re: [agi] Bayes rule in the brain

2004-02-01 Thread Eliezer S. Yudkowsky
Ben Goertzel wrote: BTW, to me, the psychological work on human bias, heuristics, and fallacy (including the well known work by Tversky and Kahneman) contains many wrong results --- the phenomena are correctly documented, but their analysis and conclusions are often based on implicit assumptions

RE: [agi] Bayes rule in the brain

2004-02-01 Thread Ben Goertzel
Here is an old paper of Pei's on the Wason card experiment: http://www.cogsci.indiana.edu/farg/peiwang/PUBLICATION/wang.evidence.pdf I don't know if he wrote something similar relating to Tversky's experiments or not. I think I remember reading it, but I don't remember where it was... I think

Re: [agi] Bayes rule in the brain

2004-02-01 Thread Pei Wang
Sure, but NARS or any other uncertain inference system, when applied to predicting the future, also falls prey to Hume's induction paradox. There's no way to avoid it. Recall how Hume avoided it: he introduced the assumption of human nature. In modern terms, he argued that we have some

Re: [agi] Bayes rule in the brain

2004-02-01 Thread Pei Wang
Here is an old paper of Pei's on the Wason card experiment: http://www.cogsci.indiana.edu/farg/peiwang/PUBLICATION/wang.evidence.pdf Ben: Thanks for replying for me. I don't know if he wrote something similar relating to Tversky's experiments or not. I think I remember reading it, but I

Re: [agi] Bayes rule in the brain

2004-02-01 Thread Pei Wang
Probability theory is not compactable with the first semantics above ... It should be compatible. Sorry. Pei --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [agi] Bayes rule in the brain

2004-02-01 Thread Ben Goertzel
According to my experience-grounded semantics, in NARS truth value (the frequency-confidence pair) measures the compatibility between a statement and available (past) experience, without assuming anything about the real world or the future experience of the system. I know you also accept a

RE: [agi] Bayes rule in the brain

2004-02-01 Thread Ben Goertzel
Here is an old paper of Pei's on the Wason card experiment: http://www.cogsci.indiana.edu/farg/peiwang/PUBLICATION/wang.evidence.pdf Attached is a Word document discussing the Wason card experiment from the perspective of Probabilistic Term Logic. Basically, I disagree with Pei that

Re: [agi] Bayes rule in the brain

2004-02-01 Thread Pei Wang
Since confidence is defined as a function of the amount of evidence (in past experience), it is based on no assumption about the object world. Of course, I cannot prevent other people from interpreting it in other ways. I've made it clear in several places (such as

RE: [agi] Bayes rule in the brain

2004-02-01 Thread Ben Goertzel
Ok, Pei, but I wonder a bit whether the distinctions you're making here are deeply semantic or just verbal ... You say your system makes no assumptions about reality. That's fine -- but still, your system has to make assumptions about the nature of its experience over time. Specifically, 1)