Re: [agi] Within-cell computation in biological neural systems??

2004-02-25 Thread Yan King Yin
From: Brad Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nonlinear dendritic integration can be accurately captured by the comparmental model which divides dendrites into small sections with ion channels and other internal reaction mechanisms. This is the most accurate level of modeling. It may be possible to

RE: [agi] AGI's and emotions

2004-02-25 Thread Ben Goertzel
Bill, I think that emotions in humans are CORRELATED with value-judgments, but are certainly not identical to them. We can have emotions that are ambiguous in value, and we can have strong value judgments with very little emotion attached to them. -- Ben G Bill, I agree with you that

RE: [agi] AGI's and emotions

2004-02-25 Thread Bill Hibbard
Ben, I think that emotions in humans are CORRELATED with value-judgments, but are certainly not identical to them. We can have emotions that are ambiguous in value, and we can have strong value judgments with very little emotion attached to them. That is reasonable. As I said in my first

p.s., RE: [agi] AGI's and emotions

2004-02-25 Thread Bill Hibbard
I said: That is reasonable. As I said in my first post on this topic, there is variation in the way people define emotion. The quotes from Edelman and Crick show some precedence for defining emotion essentially as value, but it is also common to define emotion more in terms of expression or

RE: [agi] AGI's and emotions

2004-02-25 Thread Brad Wyble
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004, Ben Goertzel wrote: Emotions ARE thoughts but they differ from most thoughts in the extent to which they involve the primordial brain AND the non-neural physiology of the body as well. This non-brain-centricity means that emotions are more out of 'our' control than

RE: [agi] AGI's and emotions

2004-02-25 Thread Brad Wyble
I guess we call emotions 'feelings' because we feel them - ie. we can feel the effect they trigger in our whole body, detected via our internal monitoring of physical body condition. Given this, unless AGIs are also programmed for thoughts or goal satisfactions to trigger 'physical'

Re: [agi] AGI's and emotions

2004-02-25 Thread Jef Allbright
Philip Sutton wrote: I guess we call emotions 'feelings' because we *feel *them - ie. we can feel the effect they trigger in our whole body, detected via our internal monitoring of physical body condition. Given this, unless AGIs are also programmed for thoughts or goal satisfactions to

RE: [agi] AGI's and emotions

2004-02-25 Thread Ben Goertzel
Mike, Regarding your definition of emotion. Ialmost agree with what you say -- BUT, I think you're missing a basic point. Emotions do involve data coming into the cognitive centers, vaguely similarly to how perceptual data comes into the cognitive centers. And, as with perception, emotions

RE: [agi] AGI's and emotions

2004-02-25 Thread Ben Goertzel
Agreed --- we tend to project even abstract experiences back down to our physical layer, and then react to them physically ... a kind of analogy that AGI's are unlikely to pursue so avidly unless specifically designed to do so ben g -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [agi] AGI's and emotions

2004-02-25 Thread J. W. Johnston
Title: Message Folks interested in this thread should check out the draft of Marvin Minsky's upcoming book "The Emotion Machine". Been available at his web site for quite some time: http://web.media.mit.edu/~minsky/ The current draft doesn't seem to have an executive summary that lays

Re: [agi] AGI's and emotions

2004-02-25 Thread Kevin
Title: Message I'll add one last point here..the Dalai Lama, when talking with western intelligenicia from various disciplines at Harvard ( I think it was Harvard) was asked a question about emotions. He got a very puzzled look on his face. It turned out that the Tibetans, due to their