[agi] Numenta: article on Jeff Hawkins' AGI approach

2006-06-02 Thread Ben Goertzel
Check out this paper... http://www.numenta.com/Numenta_HTM_Concepts.pdf I think it's a good article. It seems to fairly fully reveal the scope and nature of their current scientific activities, though it says nothing about their plans for commercialization or other practical application.

Re: [agi] AGI bottlenecks

2006-06-02 Thread William Pearson
On 01/06/06, Richard Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had similar feelings about William Pearson's recent message about systems that use reinforcement learning: A reinforcement scenario, from wikipedia is defined as Formally, the basic reinforcement learning model consists of: 1. a

[agi] Universal Test for AI?...... AGI bottlenecks

2006-06-02 Thread DGoe
What is the universal test for the ability of any given AI SYSTEM to Perceive Reason and Act? Is there such a test? What is the closest test known to date? Dan Goe From : William Pearson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : agi@v2.listbox.com

Re: [agi] Numenta: article on Jeff Hawkins' AGI approach

2006-06-02 Thread Mike Ross
The theoretical presumption here is that once you've solve the problem of recognizing moderately complex patterns in perceptual data streams, then you're essentially done with the AGI problem and the rest is just some wrappers placed around your perception code. I don't think so I think

[agi] Other approches to Seed AI? .... Numenta: article on Jeff Hawkins' AGI approach

2006-06-02 Thread DGoe
What are the other methods of approach to Seed AI? Dan Goe From : Mike Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : agi@v2.listbox.com Subject : Re: [agi] Numenta: article on Jeff Hawkins' AGI approach Date : Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:54:31 -0400 The theoretical

Re: [agi] Numenta: article on Jeff Hawkins' AGI approach

2006-06-02 Thread Scott Brown
Hi all,The way I've read Hawkins' and company's work so far is that they view HTM as a cognitive engine that, while perceptually based, would essentially drive other cognitive functions, including behavior. I think you're right that they would agree that these additional cognitive functions would

Re: [agi] Numenta: article on Jeff Hawkins' AGI approach

2006-06-02 Thread Mike Ross
One of the more interesting ideas the Numenta people have is of how a perceptual system could be used in a motor-control system by hooking up expectations to actual commands. I think its fair to say that Numenta is pushing towards AGI from the animalistic perspective. Once they hook up some

Re: [agi] Numenta: article on Jeff Hawkins' AGI approach

2006-06-02 Thread Scott Brown
... they have a good chance of getting something thats about as smart as some dumb animalsI agree, Mike, and it seems to me that, from an AGI perspective (as opposed to an AI perspective), this is an excellent goal to have. On 6/2/06, Mike Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the more interesting

Re: [agi] AGI bottlenecks

2006-06-02 Thread Richard Loosemore
Will, Comments taken, but the direction of my critique may have gotten lost in the details: Suppose I proposed a solution to the problem of unifying quantum mechanics and gravity, and suppose I came out with a solution that said that the unified theory involved (a) a specific interface to

Re: [agi] Numenta: article on Jeff Hawkins' AGI approach

2006-06-02 Thread BillK
On 6/2/06, Ben Goertzel wrote: Mike You note that Numenta's approach seems oriented toward implementing an animal-level mind... I agree, and I do think this is a fascinating project, and an approach that can ultimately succeed... but I think that for it to succeed Hawkins will have to

Re: [agi] procedural vs declarative knowledge

2006-06-02 Thread Mike Dougherty
On 6/2/06, Charles D Hixson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rule of thumb:First get it working, doing what you want.Thenoptimize.When optimizing, first check your algorithms,then check tosee where time is actually spent.Apply extensive optimization only to the most used 10% (or less) of the code.If you

[agi] Limits to Size and Resources...Procedural vs declarative knowledge

2006-06-02 Thread DGoe
The question remains of the limits of MB/GB size and resource requirements. Execution time for a given process There are limits... Does anyone have any idea of the size of Executable code of fully developed AI System versus a seed AI system? Dan Goe

Re: [agi] procedural vs declarative knowledge

2006-06-02 Thread Charles D Hixson
Mike Dougherty wrote: On 6/2/06, *Charles D Hixson* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rule of thumb: First get it working, doing what you want. Then optimize. When optimizing, first check your algorithms, then check to see where time is actually spent.