[agi] Questions for an AGI

2010-06-24 Thread The Wizard
If you could ask an AGI anything, what would you ask it? -- Carlos A Mejia Taking life one singularity at a time. www.Transalchemy.com --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed:

RE: [agi] Questions for an AGI

2010-06-24 Thread Dana Ream
How do you work? _ From: The Wizard [mailto:key.unive...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 11:05 PM To: agi Subject: [agi] Questions for an AGI If you could ask an AGI anything, what would you ask it? -- Carlos A Mejia Taking life one singularity at a time.

Re: [agi] Questions for an AGI

2010-06-24 Thread deepakjnath
I would ask What should I ask if I could ask AGI anything? On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 11:34 AM, The Wizard key.unive...@gmail.com wrote: If you could ask an AGI anything, what would you ask it? -- Carlos A Mejia Taking life one singularity at a time. www.Transalchemy.com *agi* |

Re: [agi] Questions for an AGI

2010-06-24 Thread Florent Berthet
Tell me what I need to know, by order of importance. --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription:

Re: [agi] Questions for an AGI

2010-06-24 Thread The Wizard
I would ask the agi What should I ask an agi On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 4:56 AM, Florent Berthet florent.bert...@gmail.comwrote: Tell me what I need to know, by order of importance. *agi* | Archives https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now

[agi] The problem with AGI per Sloman

2010-06-24 Thread Mike Tintner
One of the problems of AI researchers is that too often they start off with an inadequate understanding of the problems and believe that solutions are only a few years away. We need an educational system that not only teaches techniques and solutions, but also an understanding of problems and

Re: [agi] Questions for an AGI

2010-06-24 Thread A. T. Murray
Carlos A Mejia invited questions for an AGI! If you could ask an AGI anything, what would you ask it? Who killed Donald Young, a gay sex partner of U.S. President Barak Obama, on December 24, 2007, in Obama's home town of Chicago, when it began to look like Obama could actually be elected

Re: [agi] Questions for an AGI

2010-06-24 Thread David Jones
I get the impression from this question that you think an AGI is some sort of all-knowing, idealistic invention. It is sort of like asking if you could ask the internet anything, what would you ask it?. Uhhh, lots of stuff, like how do I get wine stains out of white carpet :). AGI's will not be

Re: [agi] Questions for an AGI

2010-06-24 Thread Matt Mahoney
Am I a human or am I an AGI? Dana Ream wrote: How do you work? Just like you designed me to. deepakjnath wrote: What should I ask if I could ask AGI anything? The Wizard wrote: What should I ask an agi You don't need to ask me anything. I will do all of your thinking for you. Florent

Re: [agi] The problem with AGI per Sloman

2010-06-24 Thread Jim Bromer
Both of you are wrong. (Where did that quote come from by the way. What year did he write or say that.) An inadequate understanding of the problems is exactly what has to be expected by researchers (both professional and amateurs) when they are facing a completely novel pursuit. That is why we

Re: [agi] The problem with AGI per Sloman

2010-06-24 Thread Ben Goertzel
Yes... the idea underlying Sloman's quote is why the interdisciplinary field of cognitive science was invented a few decades ago... ben g On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Jim Bromer jimbro...@gmail.com wrote: Both of you are wrong. (Where did that quote come from by the way. What year did

Re: [agi] The problem with AGI per Sloman

2010-06-24 Thread David Jones
I have to agree that a big problem with the field is a lack of understanding of the problems and how they should be solved. I see too many people pursuing solutions to poorly defined problems and without defining why the solution solves the problem. I even see people pursuing solutions to the

Re: [agi] The problem with AGI per Sloman

2010-06-24 Thread Jim Bromer
Let me be very clear about this. Of course a multi-disciplinary approach is helpful! And when AGI becomes a reality, that will be even more obvious. I am only able to follow what I am able to follow thanks to the contemporary philosophers who note it and contribute to it. All that I am saying

Re: [agi] The problem with AGI per Sloman

2010-06-24 Thread Mike Tintner
[BTW Sloman's quote is a month old] I think he means what I do - the end-problems that an AGI must face. Please name me one true AGI end-problem being dealt with by any AGI-er - apart from the toybox problem. As I've repeatedly said- AGI-ers simply don't address or discuss AGI end-problems.

RE: [agi] The problem with AGI per Sloman

2010-06-24 Thread John G. Rose
I think some confusion occurs where AGI researchers want to build an artificial person verses artificial general intelligence. An AGI might be just a computational model running in software that can solve problems across domains. An artificial person would be much else in addition to AGI.

Re: [agi] The problem with AGI per Sloman

2010-06-24 Thread David Jones
Mike, I think your idealistic view of how AGI should be pursued does not work in reality. What is your approach that fits all your criteria? I'm sure that any such approach would be severely flawed as well. Dave On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Mike Tintner tint...@blueyonder.co.ukwrote:

Re: [agi] The problem with AGI per Sloman

2010-06-24 Thread Mike Tintner
John, You're making a massively important point, wh. I have been thinking about recently. I think it's more useful to say that AGI-ers are thinking in terms of building a *complete AGI system* (rather than person) wh. could range from a simple animal robot to fantasies of an all intelligent

Re: [agi] The problem with AGI per Sloman

2010-06-24 Thread Jim Bromer
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Mike Tintner tint...@blueyonder.co.ukwrote: [BTW Sloman's quote is a month old] Are you sure it was A. Sloman who wrote or said that? From where I'm sitting it looks like it was Margaret Boden who wrote it. But then again, I am one of those people who

Re: [agi] The problem with AGI per Sloman

2010-06-24 Thread Mike Tintner
Dave, Re my first point there is no choice whatsoever - you (any serious creative) *have* to start by addressing the creative problem - in this case true AGI end-problems. You have to start, e.g.,, addressing the problem part of your would-be plane, the part that's going to give you take-off,

Re: [agi] The problem with AGI per Sloman

2010-06-24 Thread Mike Tintner
Are you sure it was A. Sloman who wrote or said that? From where I'm sitting it looks like it was Margaret Boden who wrote it. But then again, I am one of those people who sometimes make mistakes. Jim Bromer And this is indeed another of your mistakes:

Re: [agi] The problem with AGI per Sloman

2010-06-24 Thread David Jones
Mike, start by addressing the creative problem. this phrase doesn't mean anything to me. You haven't properly defined what you mean by creative to me. What do you think the true AGI end-problems are? Try not to use the word creative so much. There possible algorithms that produce high level

Re: [agi] The problem with AGI per Sloman

2010-06-24 Thread Ian Parker
I think there is a great deal of confusion between these two objectives. When I wrote that if you had a car accident due to a fault in AI/AGI and Matt wrote back talking about downloads this was a case in point. I was assuming that you had a system which was intelligent but was *not* a download in

Re: [agi] The problem with AGI per Sloman

2010-06-24 Thread Jim Bromer
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Mike Tintner tint...@blueyonder.co.ukwrote: Are you sure it was A. Sloman who wrote or said that? From where I'm sitting it looks like it was Margaret Boden who wrote it. But then again, I am one of those people who sometimes make mistakes. Jim Bromer And

Re: [agi] The problem with AGI per Sloman

2010-06-24 Thread Fatmah
I suggest we form a team for this purpose ..and I am willing to join From: Mike Tintner tint...@blueyonder.co.uk To: agi agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Thu, June 24, 2010 2:33:01 PM Subject: [agi] The problem with AGI per Sloman One of the problems of AI