more neurons that respond to differences in tones than to absolute
frequencies.
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*From:* deepakjnath deepakjn...@gmail.com
*To:* agi agi@v2.listbox.com
*Sent:* Thu, July 22, 2010 3:59:57 PM
*Subject:* [agi] How do we
, no?
From: David Butler
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 3:44 PM
To: agi
Subject: Re: [agi] How do we hear music
When we listen to music there are many elements that come into play that create
our memory of how the song goes. If you take a piece of instrumental music,
you have the melody, a succession
*To:* agi agi@v2.listbox.com
*Subject:* Re: [agi] How do we hear music
When we listen to music there are many elements that come into play that
create our memory of how the song goes. If you take a piece of instrumental
music, you have the melody, a succession of tones in a certain order
) in a distinctive way - that's missing, no?
*From:* David Butler dbut...@flomedia.com
*Sent:* Monday, July 26, 2010 3:44 PM
*To:* agi agi@v2.listbox.com
*Subject:* Re: [agi] How do we hear music
When we listen to music there are many elements that come into play that
create our memory of how the song
Deepak,
I have some insight on this question. There was a study regarding change
blindness. One of the study's famous experiments was having a person ask for
directions on a college campus. Then in the middle of this, a door would
pass between the person asking directions and the student giving
PM
To: agi
Subject: Re: [agi] How do we hear music
When we listen to music there are many elements that come into play that
create our memory of how the song goes. If you take a piece of instrumental
music, you have the melody, a succession of tones in a certain order,
duration
thanks Dave,
This means that there is a system in the brain that decides on the details
that we capture from our external environment. Something like an auto focus
or a system that increases or decreases the resolution of the picture as it
deems fit. We could call this an auto attention focusing
individual characteristics
as well as general forms.
*From:* deepakjnath deepakjn...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Monday, July 26, 2010 7:56 PM
*To:* agi agi@v2.listbox.com
*Subject:* Re: [agi] How do we hear music
Mike,
All chinese look the same for me. But for a chinese person they don't. Why
: deepakjnath
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 8:38 PM
To: agi
Subject: Re: [agi] How do we hear music
Okay Mike,
Let me write down my theory of this phenomenon. my intuition is that brain
learns in steps and deltas. The brain takes in a fixed amount of only new
information at a time. So when a person who
of parents ( remember it hasn't seen
its own mouth yet).
*From:* deepakjnath deepakjn...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Monday, July 26, 2010 8:38 PM
*To:* agi agi@v2.listbox.com
*Subject:* Re: [agi] How do we hear music
Okay Mike,
Let me write down my theory of this phenomenon. my intuition
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 8:28 AM
To: agi agi@v2.listbox.com
Subject: Re: [agi] How do we hear music
On Fri, 2010-07-23 at 03:45 +0100, Mike Tintner wrote:
Let's crystallise the problem - all the unsolved problems of AGI -
visual
object recognition, conceptualisation
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You have all missed one vital point. Music is repeating and it has a
symmetry.
In dancing (song and dance) moves are repeated in a symmetrical pattern.
Question why are we programmed to find symmetry? This question may be
more core to AGI than appears at first
: Friday, July 23, 2010 2:19 AM
To: agi agi@v2.listbox.com
Subject: Re: [agi] How do we hear music
Hi,
Sometimes outrageous comments are a catalyst for better ideas.
On Fri, 2010-07-23 at 01:48 +0200, Jan Klauck wrote:
Mike Tintner trolled
And maths will handle the examples given
You have all missed one vital point. Music is repeating and it has a
symmetry. In dancing (song and dance) moves are repeated in
a symmetrical pattern.
Question why are we programmed to find symmetry? This question may be more
core to AGI than appears at first sight. Chearly an AGI system will
*you* can too.
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From: Michael Swan ms...@voyagergaming.com
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 8:28 AM
To: agi agi@v2.listbox.com
Subject: Re: [agi] How do we hear music
On Fri, 2010-07-23 at 03:45 +0100, Mike Tintner wrote:
Let's crystallise
Subject: Re: [agi] How do we hear music
So you must explain how a mathematical approach, wh. is all about recognizing
patterns, can apply to objects wh. do not fit patterns.
No, we mustn't. You must read the links we've posted or stop asking the same
things again and again. The answers are all
And that is the proof that you didn'
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And that is the proof that you didn't read anything (or didn't understand,
more probably). But it was expected.
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Why do we listen to a song sung in different scale and yet identify it as
the same song.? Does it have something to do with the fundamental way in
which we store memory?
cheers,
Deepak
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to differences in tones than to absolute frequencies.
-- Matt Mahoney, matmaho...@yahoo.com
From: deepakjnath deepakjn...@gmail.com
To: agi agi@v2.listbox.com
Sent: Thu, July 22, 2010 3:59:57 PM
Subject: [agi] How do we hear music
Why do we listen to a song sung
Schemas are what maths can't handle - and are fundamental to AGI.
Maths are what Mike can't handle - and are fundamental to AGI.
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Subject: Re: [agi] How do we hear music
Schemas are what maths can't handle - and are fundamental to AGI.
Maths are what Mike can't handle - and are fundamental to AGI.
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Are you suggesting that I teach you some math? I learned it by myself, why
can't you? Stop being lazy (and ridiculous), please.
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Mike Tintner trolled
And maths will handle the examples given :
same tunes - different scales, different instruments
same face - cartoon, photo
same logo - different parts [buildings/ fruits/ human figures]
Unfortunately I forgot. The answer is somewhere down there:
You could add this one too, Jan:
http://scholar.google.com.br/scholar?hl=enq=%22fourier-mellin+transform%22btnG=Searchas_sdt=2000as_ylo=as_vis=1
No more excuses for being lazy now. The answers for all proposed questions
are inside those links.
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Hi,
Sometimes outrageous comments are a catalyst for better ideas.
On Fri, 2010-07-23 at 01:48 +0200, Jan Klauck wrote:
Mike Tintner trolled
And maths will handle the examples given :
same tunes - different scales, different instruments
same face - cartoon, photo
same logo -
No-one has successfully integrated these concepts into a working AGI,
So I could say for ANY method.
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So you must explain how a mathematical approach, wh. is all about
recognizing patterns, can apply to objects wh. do not fit patterns.
No, we mustn't. You must read the links we've posted or stop asking the same
things again and again. The answers are all there.
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On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:59 PM, deepakjnath deepakjn...@gmail.com wrote:
Why do we listen to a song sung in different scale and yet identify it as
the same song.? Does it have something to do with the fundamental way in
which we store memory?
Probably due to evolution? Maybe at some
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