Re: [agi] Probabilistic Inductive Logic Programming and PLN

2008-08-07 Thread YKY (Yan King Yin)
Ben, BTW, you may try inviting Stephen Muggleton to AGI'09. He actually talked to me a few times despite that I knew very little about ILP at that time. According to the wikipedia page he is currently working on an `artificial scientist' . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Muggleton YKY

Re: [agi] Probabilistic Inductive Logic Programming and PLN

2008-08-05 Thread YKY (Yan King Yin)
On 8/5/08, Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but in PLN/ OpenCogPrime backward chaining *can* create hypothetical logical relationships and then seek to estimate their truth values See this page http://opencog.org/wiki/OpenCogPrime:IntegrativeInference and the five pages linked to

Re: [agi] Probabilistic Inductive Logic Programming and PLN

2008-08-05 Thread Pei Wang
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 7:45 AM, YKY (Yan King Yin) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you create hypotheses that contain variables? If yes, what you're doing is essentially ILP. If not, then your version is a kind of propositional learning, like ID3, and is inadequate for AGI. Well, NARS has

Re: [agi] Probabilistic Inductive Logic Programming and PLN

2008-08-05 Thread YKY (Yan King Yin)
On 8/5/08, Abram Demski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I understand it, FOL is only Turing complete when predicates/relations/functions beyond the ones in the data are allowed. Would PLN naturally invent predicates, or would it need to be told to specifically? Is this what concept creation does?

Re: [agi] Probabilistic Inductive Logic Programming and PLN

2008-08-05 Thread YKY (Yan King Yin)
On 8/5/08, Abram Demski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Prolog (and logic programming) is Turing complete, but FOL is not a programming language so I'm not sure. You are right, I should have said FOL is turing complete within the right inference system [such as Prolog], but only when

Re: [agi] Probabilistic Inductive Logic Programming and PLN

2008-08-05 Thread YKY (Yan King Yin)
On 8/6/08, Jim Bromer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You made some remarks, (I did not keep a record of them), that sounds similar to some of the problems of conceptual complexity (or complicatedness) that I am interested in. Can you describe something of what you are working on in a little more

Re: [agi] Probabilistic Inductive Logic Programming and PLN

2008-08-05 Thread Jim Bromer
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 3:24 PM, YKY (Yan King Yin) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm writing a paper about my probabilistic-fuzzy logic that should be fairly easy to understand. But I got stuck on the fuzzy concept problem as you can see. To distribute probabilities over fuzziness means: each

[agi] Probabilistic Inductive Logic Programming and PLN

2008-08-04 Thread Ben Goertzel
I mentioned earlier that I'd forward a private email I'd previously sent to YKY, on the topic of probabilistic inductive logic programming. Here is is. As noted there, my impression is that PILP could be implemented within OpenCog's PLN backward chainer (currently being ported to OpenCog by Joel

Re: [agi] Probabilistic Inductive Logic Programming and PLN

2008-08-04 Thread Ben Goertzel
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 6:10 PM, YKY (Yan King Yin) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/5/08, Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As noted there, my impression is that PILP could be implemented within OpenCog's PLN backward chainer (currently being ported to OpenCog by Joel Pitt, from the

Re: [agi] Probabilistic Inductive Logic Programming and PLN

2008-08-04 Thread Abram Demski
As I understand it, FOL is only Turing complete when predicates/relations/functions beyond the ones in the data are allowed. Would PLN naturally invent predicates, or would it need to be told to specifically? Is this what concept creation does? More concretely: if I gave PLN a series of data, and