Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset

2007-10-04 Thread J Storrs Hall, PhD
On Wednesday 03 October 2007 09:37:58 pm, Mike Tintner wrote: I disagree also re how much has been done. I don't think AGI - correct me - has solved a single creative problem - e.g. creativity - unprogrammed adaptivity - drawing analogies - visual object recognition - NLP - concepts -

Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset

2007-10-04 Thread J Storrs Hall, PhD
On Thursday 04 October 2007 10:42:46 am, Mike Tintner wrote: ... I find no general sense of the need for a major paradigm shift. It should be obvious that a successful AGI will transform and revolutionize existing computational paradigms ... I find it difficult to imagine a development

Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset

2007-10-04 Thread Mike Tintner
Edward P: II skimmed “LGIST: Learning Generalized Image Schemas for Transfer Thrust D Architecture Report”, by Carole Beal and Paul Cohen at the USC Information Sciences Institute. It was one of the PDFs listed on the web link you sent me (at

Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset

2007-10-04 Thread J Storrs Hall, PhD
On Thursday 04 October 2007 11:52:01 am, Vladimir Nesov wrote: Analogy-making can be reformulated as other problems, so even if it's not named this way it's still associated with many approaches to learning. Recalling relevant knowledge is about the same thing as analogy-making, and in

Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset

2007-10-04 Thread J Storrs Hall, PhD
On Thursday 04 October 2007 10:56:59 am, Edward W. Porter wrote: You appear to know more on the subject of current analogy drawing research than me. So could you please explain to me what are the major current problems people are having in trying figure out how to draw analogies using a

RE: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset

2007-10-04 Thread Edward W. Porter
Associates 24 String Bridge S12 Exeter, NH 03833 (617) 494-1722 Fax (617) 494-1822 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Mike Tintner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 12:33 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset Edward

Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset

2007-10-04 Thread J Storrs Hall, PhD
On Thursday 04 October 2007 01:57:22 pm, Edward W. Porter wrote: You talk about the Cohen article I quoted as perhaps leading to a major paradigm shift, but actually much of its central thrust is similar to idea’s that have been around for decades. Cohen’s gists are surprisingly similar to

RE: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset

2007-10-04 Thread Edward W. Porter
Subject: Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset On Thursday 04 October 2007 10:56:59 am, Edward W. Porter wrote: You appear to know more on the subject of current analogy drawing research than me. So could you please explain to me what are the major current problems people are having

RE: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset

2007-10-04 Thread Edward W. Porter
PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset On 10/4/07, Edward W. Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josh, (Talking of breaking the small hardware mindset, thank god for the company with the largest hardware mindset -- or at least the largest physical

Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset

2007-10-04 Thread mike ramsey
Subject: Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset On 10/4/07, Edward W. Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josh, (Talking of breaking the small hardware mindset, thank god for the company with the largest hardware mindset -- or at least the largest physical embodiment of one-- Google

Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset

2007-10-04 Thread Mike Tintner
Edward You talk about the Cohen article I quoted as perhaps leading to a major paradigm shift, but actually much of its central thrust is similar to idea’s that have been around for decades. Cohen’s gists are surprisingly similar to the scripts Schank was talking about circa 1980. Josh: And

Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset

2007-10-04 Thread Pei Wang
] -Original Message- From: J Storrs Hall, PhD [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:44 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset On Thursday 04 October 2007 10:56:59 am, Edward W. Porter wrote: You appear to know

Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset

2007-10-04 Thread Vladimir Nesov
On 10/4/07, J Storrs Hall, PhD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 04 October 2007 11:52:01 am, Vladimir Nesov wrote: Analogy-making can be reformulated as other problems, so even if it's not named this way it's still associated with many approaches to learning. Recalling relevant

Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset

2007-10-04 Thread J Storrs Hall, PhD
Let me answer with an anecdote. I was just in the shop playing with some small robot motors and I needed a punch to remove a pin holding a gearbox onto one of them. I didn't have a purpose-made punch, so I cast around in the toolbox until Aha! an object close enough to use. (It was a small

RE: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset

2007-10-04 Thread Edward W. Porter
: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset Let me answer with an anecdote. I was just in the shop playing with some small robot motors and I needed a punch to remove a pin holding a gearbox onto one of them. I didn't have a purpose-made punch, so I cast around in the toolbox until Aha! an object

RE: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset

2007-10-04 Thread Edward W. Porter
Subject: Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset Edward You talk about the Cohen article I quoted as perhaps leading to a major paradigm shift, but actually much of its central thrust is similar to idea’s that have been around for decades. Cohen’s gists are surprisingly similar to the scripts

Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset

2007-10-04 Thread Pei Wang
To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset On 10/4/07, Edward W. Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josh, (Talking of breaking the small hardware mindset, thank god for the company with the largest hardware mindset

Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset

2007-10-03 Thread Mike Tintner
MessageEdward:The biggest brick wall is the small-hardware mindset that has been absolutely necessary for decades to get anything actually accomplished on the hardware of the day Completely disagree. It's that purely numerical mindset about small/big hardware that I see as so widespread and

RE: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset

2007-10-03 Thread Edward W. Porter
03833 (617) 494-1722 Fax (617) 494-1822 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Mike Tintner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 9:38 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset Edward:The biggest brick wall is the small