Re: [agi] Meet the world's first robot controlled exclusively by living brain tissue

2008-08-15 Thread Bob Mottram
2008/8/15 Ed Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The training issue is a real one, but presumably over time electronics that would be part of these wetware/hardware combination brains could be developed to train the wetware/hardware machines --- under the control guidance of external systems at the

Re: [agi] Meet the world's first robot controlled exclusively by living brain tissue

2008-08-15 Thread Mike Tintner
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/8.02/warwick.html --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription:

Re: [agi] Meet the world's first robot controlled exclusively by living brain tissue

2008-08-15 Thread Matt Mahoney
Mike Tintner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/8.02/warwick.html An interesting perspective. Instead of brain tissue controlling a machine, we have a brain wanting to be controlled by a machine. -- Matt Mahoney, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [agi] AGI's Philosophy of Learning

2008-08-15 Thread Jim Bromer
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Abram Demski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But, I am looking for a system that is me. You, like everyone else's me, has it's limitations. So there is a difference between the potential of the system and the actual system. This point of stressing potentiality rather

Re: [agi] AGI's Philosophy of Learning

2008-08-15 Thread Abram Demski
That made more sense to me. Responses follow. On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 10:57 AM, Jim Bromer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Abram Demski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But, I am looking for a system that is me. You, like everyone else's me, has it's limitations. So there

Re: [agi] AGI's Philosophy of Learning

2008-08-15 Thread Jim Bromer
Our ability to think about abstractions and extrapolations off of abstractions comes because we are able to create game boundaries around the systems that we think about. So yes you can talk about infinite resources and compare it to the domain of the lambda calculus, but this kind of thinking is

Re: [agi] AGI's Philosophy of Learning

2008-08-15 Thread Abram Demski
I don't think the problems of a self-referential paradox is significantly more difficult than the problems of general reference. Not only are there implicit boundaries, some of which have to be changed in an instant as the conversation develops, there are also multiple levels of

Re: [agi] AGI's Philosophy of Learning

2008-08-15 Thread Jim Bromer
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Abram Demski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The paradox seems trivial, of course. I generally agree with your analysis (describing how we consider the sentence, take into account its context, and so on. But the big surprise to logicians was that the paradox is not

Re: [agi] hello

2008-08-15 Thread rick the ponderer
On 8/13/08, Jim Bromer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 4:14 AM, rick the ponderer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for replying YKY Is the logic learning you are talking about inductive logic programming. If so, isn't ilp basically a search through the space of logic

Re: [agi] hello

2008-08-15 Thread rick the ponderer
On 8/15/08, rick the ponderer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/13/08, Jim Bromer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 4:14 AM, rick the ponderer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for replying YKY Is the logic learning you are talking about inductive logic programming. If so,

[agi] Brains + Sleep, Bird Brains, Brain Rules

2008-08-15 Thread Brad Paulsen
(1) STUDY FINDS THAT SLEEP SELECTIVELY PRESERVES EMOTIONAL MEMORIES http://www.physorg.com/news137908693.html (2) BIG-BRAINED ANIMALS [BIRDS] EVOLVE FASTER http://www.physorg.com/news138003096.html (3) BRAIN RULES Here's a guy selling a book/DVD (Brain Rules) about how to improve your mental

Re: [agi] hello

2008-08-15 Thread Joel Pitt
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 6:31 PM, YKY (Yan King Yin) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To use Thorton's example, he demontrated that a checkerboard pattern can be learned using logic easily, but it will drive a NN learner crazy. Note that neural networks are a broad subject and don't only include