Re: RE: FW: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness

2008-12-01 Thread Ben Goertzel
We cannot ask Feynman, but I actually asked Deutsch. He does not only think QM is our most basic physical reality (he thinks math and computer science lie in quantum mechanics), but he even takes quite seriously his theory of parallel universes! and he is not alone. Speaking by myself, I

Re: RE: FW: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness

2008-12-01 Thread Philip Hunt
2008/12/1 Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: And, science cannot tell us whether QM or some empirically-equivalent, wholly randomness-free theory is the right one... If two theories give identical predictions under all circumstances about how the real world behaves, then they are not two separate

Re: RE: FW: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness

2008-12-01 Thread Ben Goertzel
If two theories give identical predictions under all circumstances about how the real world behaves, then they are not two separate theories, they are merely rewordings of the same theory. And choosing between them is arbitrary; you may prefer one to the other because human minds can

Re: [agi] AIXI

2008-12-01 Thread Matt Mahoney
--- On Sun, 11/30/08, Philip Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone explain AIXI to me? AIXI models an intelligent agent interacting with an environment as a pair of interacting Turing machines. At each step, the agent outputs a symbol to the environment, and the environment outputs a

Re: [agi] AIXI

2008-12-01 Thread Jim Bromer
I really appreciate Matt's comments about this even though I am wary of the field. It is important to have some ideas about why the AI problem is so hard, and that insight is best told with some descriptive information like Matt's message. Of course, if no one is asking why then the poster has

Re: [agi] AIXI

2008-12-01 Thread Philip Hunt
That was helpful. Thanks. 2008/12/1 Matt Mahoney [EMAIL PROTECTED]: --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Philip Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone explain AIXI to me? AIXI models an intelligent agent interacting with an environment as a pair of interacting Turing machines. At each step, the agent

Re: [agi] AIXI

2008-12-01 Thread Vladimir Nesov
On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 8:04 PM, Matt Mahoney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The value of AIXI is not that it solves the general intelligence problem, but rather it explains why the problem is so hard. It doesn't explain why it's hard (is impossible hard?). That you can't solve a problem exactly,

Re: [agi] Seeking CYC critiques

2008-12-01 Thread Steve Richfield
Steve, The KRAKEN paper was quite interesting, and has a LOT in common with my own Dr. Eliza. However, I saw no mention of Dr. Eliza's secret sauce, that boosts it from answering questions to solving problems given symptoms. The secret sauce has two primary ingredients: 1. The syntax of

Re: [agi] Seeking CYC critiques

2008-12-01 Thread Steve Richfield
Mike, On 12/1/08, Mike Tintner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder whether you'd like to outline an additional list of English/language's shortcomings here. I've just been reading Gary Marcus' Kluge - he has a whole chapter on language's shortcomings, and it would be v. interesting to compare

Re: [agi] Seeking CYC critiques

2008-12-01 Thread Mike Tintner
Steve, Thanks. I was just looking for a systematic, v basic analysis of the problems language poses for any program, which I guess mainly come down to multiplicity - multiple -word meanings -word pronunciations -word spellings -word endings -word fonts -word/letter layout/design -languages

Re: [agi] Seeking CYC critiques

2008-12-01 Thread Steve Richfield
Mike, More than multiplicity is the issue of discrete-point semantics vs. continuous real-world possibilities. Multiplicity could potentially be addressed by requiring users to put (clarifications) following unclear words (e.g. in response to diagnostic messages to clarify input). Dr. Eliza

Re: FW: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness

2008-12-01 Thread Eric Burton
Ed, they used to combine ritalin with lsd for psychotherapy. It assists in absorbing insights achieved from psycholitic doses, which is a term for doses that are not fully psychedelic. Those are edifying on their own but are less organized. I don't know if you can get this in a clinical setting