Re: [agi] fuzzy logic necessary?

2006-08-03 Thread Sampo Etelavuori
On 8/3/06, Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi,On 8/2/06, Pei Wang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Short answer: (1) AGI needs to allow fuzzy concept, and to handle fuzziness properly,Agreed: e.g. fuzzy modifiers like more, very, many, some etc. must behandled by an AGI systemYeah, and I'd think

Re: [agi] fuzzy logic necessary?

2006-08-03 Thread Ben Goertzel
Yeah, and I'd think modifiers like many are easily handled by a probability distribution determined by the context over integers. Easily at least in theory that is since the details of choosing an appropriate distribution in any given context might be a bit tricky. Right, but the question is,

Re: [agi] fuzzy logic necessary?

2006-08-03 Thread Pei Wang
No matter how bad fuzzy logic is, it cannot be responsible for the past failures of AI --- fuzzy logic has never been popular in the AI community. Actually, numerical approaches have been criticized and rejected by similar reasons from the very beginning, until the coming of the Bayesian

Re: [agi] fuzzy logic necessary?

2006-08-03 Thread Ben Goertzel
YKY 1) I agree that the brain's probabilistic reasoning does not involve high-precision calculations, but rather rough heuristic estimations 2) Of course, the brain has a LOT of stuff going on internally that is not accessible to consciousness In very many ways our unconscious brains are

Re: [agi] fuzzy logic necessary?

2006-08-03 Thread Eliezer S. Yudkowsky
When you think something is more likely or less likely, you're translating a feeling into English. The English translation doesn't involve verbal probabilities like 0.6 or 0.8 - the syllables probability zero point eight don't flow through your auditory workspace. But that doesn't rule out

Re: [agi] fuzzy logic necessary?

2006-08-03 Thread Russell Wallace
On 8/3/06, Eliezer S. Yudkowsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you think something is more likely or less likely, you'retranslating a feeling into English.The English translation doesn'tinvolve verbal probabilities like 0.6 or 0.8 - the syllablesprobability zero point eight don't flow through your

Re: [agi] fuzzy logic necessary?

2006-08-03 Thread Richard Loosemore
Thanks for the thoughtful responses, folks. I have a few replies. Pei Wang wrote: No matter how bad fuzzy logic is, it cannot be responsible for the past failures of AI --- fuzzy logic has never been popular in the AI community. Oh, no doubt about it: but fuzzy logic by itself was not the