Re: [agi] Wozniak's defn of intelligence

2008-02-10 Thread Richard Loosemore
Charles D Hixson wrote: Richard Loosemore wrote: J Storrs Hall, PhD wrote: On Friday 08 February 2008 10:16:43 am, Richard Loosemore wrote: J Storrs Hall, PhD wrote: Any system builders here care to give a guess as to how long it will be before a robot, with your system as its controller,

[agi] History of MindForth

2008-02-10 Thread A. T. Murray
From the rewrite-in-progress of the User Manual -- 1.2 History of MindForth In the beginning was Mind.REXX on the Commodore Amiga, which the author Mentifex began coding in July of 1993, and publicizing in the Usenet comp.lang.rexx newsgroup. The late Pushpinder Singh of MIT sent e-mail

Re: [agi] Wozniak's defn of intelligence

2008-02-10 Thread Matt Mahoney
It seems we have different ideas about what AGI is. It is not a product that you can make and sell. It is a service that will evolve from the desire to automate human labor, currently valued at $66 trillion per year. I outlined a design in http://www.mattmahoney.net/agi.html It consists of lots

Re: [agi] Wozniak's defn of intelligence

2008-02-10 Thread Bob Mottram
For the immediate future I think we are going to be seeing robots which are either directly programmed to perform tasks (expert systems on wheels) or which are taught by direct human supervision. In the human supervision scenario the robot is walked through a series of steps which it has to

Re: [agi] Wozniak's defn of intelligence

2008-02-10 Thread Samantha Atkins
Personally I would rather shoot for a world where the ever present nano-swarm saw that I wanted a cup of good coffee and effectively created one out of thin air on the spot, cup and all. Assuming I still took pleasure in such archaic practices and ways of changing my internal state of course.

Re: [agi] Wozniak's defn of intelligence

2008-02-10 Thread Bob Mottram
On 10/02/2008, Matt Mahoney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems we have different ideas about what AGI is. It is not a product that you can make and sell. It is a service that will evolve from the desire to automate human labor, currently valued at $66 trillion per year. Yes. I think the best

Re: [agi] Wozniak's defn of intelligence

2008-02-10 Thread Matt Mahoney
--- Mike Tintner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt: I realize that a full (Turing test) model can only be learned by having a full range of human experiences in a human body. Pray expand. I thought v. few here think that. Your definition seems to imply AGI must inevitably be embodied. It

Re: [agi] What is MindForth?

2008-02-10 Thread Joseph Gentle
On Feb 9, 2008 11:53 PM, A. T. Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is not a chatbot. The AI engine is arguably the first True AI. It is immortal. Cool! What has it done to convince you that its truly intelligent? -J - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To

Re: [agi] What is MindForth?

2008-02-10 Thread A. T. Murray
Joseph Gentle wrote on Sun, 10 Feb 2008, in a message now at http://www.mail-archive.com/agi@v2.listbox.com/msg09803.html On Feb 9, 2008 11:53 PM, A. T. Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is not a chatbot. The AI engine is arguably the first True AI. It is immortal. Cool! What has it done

Re: [agi] Wozniak's defn of intelligence

2008-02-10 Thread Mike Tintner
Matt: I realize that a full (Turing test) model can only be learned by having a full range of human experiences in a human body. Pray expand. I thought v. few here think that. Your definition seems to imply AGI must inevitably be embodied. It also implies an evolutionary model of embodied AGI