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as unrelated to AGI. How do you test if a machine with only text I/O knows that roses are red? Suppose it sees "red roses", then later "roses are" and predicts "red". An LSA or distant-bigram model will do this.-- Matt Mahoney, [EMAIL PROTECTED]- Original Message From: Rus
formats like JPEG and MP3 exploit
this by discarding what cannot be seen or heard. However, text doesn't work
this way. How much can you discard from a text file before it differs
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00 are "red"?Fourth, a program that downloads the Wikipedia benchmark violates the rules of the prize. The decompressor must run on a computer without a network connection. Rules are here:http://cs.fit.edu/~mmahoney/compression/textrules.html-- Matt Mahoney, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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translation. It will lead to better spam detection.
It will automate a lot of work now done by people on phones. Language modeling
is short of AGI but I think it is an important goal.
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Artificial Intelligence (IJCAI-05), 1136-1141, Edinburgh, Scotland, 2005.
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model plus one
other technique on cleaned up text. Nobody has put all this stuff together.
As a result, the best compresors still use byte-level ngram statistics and at
most some crude lexical parsing. I think we can do better.
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don't see
if x and y do not share any information. Then, CDM("it is hot", "it is very warm") CDM("it is hot", "it is cold").assuming your compressor uses a good language model.Now if only we had some test to tell which compressors have the best language mo
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and what to discard.But the Hutter prize is to motivate better language models, not vision or hearing or robotics. For that task, I think lossless text compression is the right approach.-- Matt Mahoney, [EMAIL PROTECTED]- Original Message From: boris [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: agi@v2.listbox.com
that
we want to emulate in AI. A machine can make a model precise at no extra cost,
enabling us to use text compression to objectively measure these qualities.
Researchers in speech recognition have been using this approach for the last 15
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. Look at benchmarks for video or audio
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reasonably derive this information
by observing that p(x, x') is approximately equal to p(x) or p(x'). In other
words, knowing both x and x' does not tell you any more than x or x' alone, or
CDM(x, x') ~ 0.5. I think this is a reasonable way to model lossy behavior in
humans.
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Processing, 717-720, 1999.
[3] Ido Dagan, Lillian Lee, Fernando C. N. Pereira, Similarity-Based Models of
Word Cooccurrence Probabilities, Machine Learning, 1999.
http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/dagan99similaritybased.html
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. This greatly reduces the storage requirement (i.e. a simpler
model). Furthermore, the SVD is equivalent to a 3 layer linear neural network
with the layers representing words, an abstract semantic space, and documents.
Not that SVD is fast...
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microphone.
- Interactive learning systems
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Lots of theoretical results, but no real applications.
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- NLP components such as parsers, translators, grammar-checkers
Parsing is unsolved. Translators like
know it is probably
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It is not that we can't come up with the right algorithms. It's that we
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is much more complex than that. But I
think a neural architecture or a hybrid system that includes neural networks of
some type is the right direction. For example, Novamente (if I understand
correctly, a weighted hypergraph) has some resemblance to a neural network
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3, 1561-1564
[2] The Piraha challenge: an Amazonian tribe takes grammar to a strange place,
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, it is likely to be extremely complex. Whatever it is, it has to be correct.To answer your other question, I am working on natural language processing, although my approach is somewhat unusual.http://cs.fit.edu/~mmahoney/compression/text.html-- Matt Mahoney, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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One of the major obstacles
learn Lojban, just like they can
learn Cycl or LISP. Lets not repeat these mistakes. This is not training, it
is programming a knowledge base. This is narrow AI.
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learning algorithm? What training data? What computational cost?
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a good goal if it means
deliberately degrading performance in order to appear human. So I am looking
for better tests. I don't believe the approach of let's just build it and
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I am happy enough with the long-term goal
Another important lesson from SHRDLU, aside from discovering that the approach
of hand coding knowledge doesn't work, was how long it took to discover this.
It was not at all obvious from the initial success. Cycorp still hasn't
figured it out after over 20 years.
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it too. We need to think about opaque representations, systems we can train and test without looking inside, systems that work but we don't know how. This will be hard, but we have already tried the easy ways.-- Matt Mahoney, [EMAIL PROTECTED]- Original Message From: James Ratcliff [EMAIL
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because it is at the extreme chaotic end of the spectrum.
Changing one bit of the key or plaintext affects every bit of the ciphertext.
The difference is that it is easier (faster and more ethical) to experiment
with language models than the human genome.
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with n = 10^9 is much faster than brute force
cryptanalysis in O(2^n) time with n = 128.
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machine, so it
has no special ability to solve NP-hard problems. The fact that humans can
learn natural language is proof enough that it can be done.
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at the learning algorithm. It turns out that there is an efficient neural model for SVD. http://gen.gorrellville.com/gorrell06.pdfIt should not take decades to develop a knowledge base like Cyc. Statistical approaches can do this in a matter of minutes or hours.-- Matt Mahoney, [EMAIL PROTECTED
it the way we understand Google. We know
how a search engine works. We will understand how learning works. But we will
not be able to predict or control what we build, even if we poke inside.
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wrong answers? I can do that.
3. If translating natural language to a structured representation is not hard,
then do it. People have been working on this for 50 years without success.
Doing logical inference is the easy part.
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), “Prediction and
Entropy of Printed English”, Bell Sys. Tech. J (3) p. 50-64.
Standing, L. (1973), “Learning 10,000 Pictures”,
Quarterly Journal of Experimental Psychology (25) pp. 207-222.
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be like trying to understand why a driver made a left turn by examining the
neural firing patterns in the driver's brain.
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and compression is not obvious. I have
summarized the arguments here.
http://cs.fit.edu/~mmahoney/compression/rationale.html
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has not worked, and what you
think can be done about it?
And Google DOES keep the searchable part of the Internet in memory
http://blog.topix.net/archives/11.html
because they have enough hardware to do it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercomputer#Quasi-supercomputing
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The connection between intelligence and compression is not obvious
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5) I have looked at your paper and my feelings are exactly the same as
Mark's theorems developed on erroneous assumptions are worthless.
Which assumptions are erroneous?
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http://www.vetta.org/documents/IDSIA-12-06-1.pdf
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finish.
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I consider the last question in each of your examples
.
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The main first subtitle:
Compression is Equivalent to General
(computer_worm)
An AGI of this type would be far more dangerous because it could analyze code,
discover large numbers of vulnerabilities and exploit them all at once. As the
Internet gets bigger, faster, and more complex, the risk increases.
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training text is not interactive, and I would need about 1 GB.
Maybe you have some ideas?
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a language model on a computer.
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Not quite gonna work that way unfortunatly. (I think)
The 10^9
implementation like GIMPS or SETI would not have enough
interconnection speed to support a language model. I think you need about a
1Gb/s connection with low latency to distribute it over a few hundred PCs.
4. Execute access is one buffer overflow away.
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distribution of all environments).
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Have to amend that to acts
Pei, you classified NARS as a principle-based AI. Are there any others in
that category? What about Novamente?
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with pepperoni.
I ate pizza with a fork.
Using my definition of understanding, you have to recognize that ate with a
fork and pizza with pepperoni rank higher than ate with pepperoni and
pizza with a fork. A parser needs to know millions of rules like this.
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list several definitions
that depend on context. Also, words gradually change their meaning over time.
I think FOL represents complex ideas poorly. Try translating what you just
wrote into FOL and you will see what I mean.
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So what is your definition of understanding?
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I think if you insist on an operational definition of consciousness you will
be confronted with a disturbing lack of evidence that it even exists.
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The goals of humanity, like all other species, was determined by
evolution.
It is to propagate the species.
That's not the goal of humanity. That's the goal of the evolution of
humanity, which
because babies that liked to listen to their mother's heartbeat had a survival
advantage.
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I suppose the alternative is to not scan brains, but then you still
have
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I am disputing the very idea that monkeys (or rats or pigeons or humans)
have a part of the brain which generates the reward/punishment signal
for operant conditioning
of neurons.
But not by training. You don't decide to be hungry or not, because animals
that could do so were removed from the gene pool.
Is this not a sensible way to program the top level goals for an AGI?
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explanation of how it works.
Thus, you have successfully proved that you are an explaining intelligence
and it is not.
If anything, you've further proved my point that an AGI is going to have
to be able to explain/be explained.
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evolution. It is to propagate the species.
That's not the goal of humanity
of the humans who built it. This means
sufficient skills to do research, and to write programs from ambiguous natural
language specificiations and have enough world knowledge to figure out what
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but it could also be a huge matrix with
billions of elements. But it will require a different approach to build, not
so much engineering, but more of an experimental science, where you test
different learning algoriths at the inputs and outputs only.
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non REM sleep. Perhaps this is part of a feedback loop
to erase memories from the hippocampus after they have been copied.
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to examine and update the knowledge manually.
We should know by now that there is just too much data to do this.
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Lenat briefly mentions Sergey's (one of Google's founders) goal of solving AI
by 2020. I think if Google and Cyc work together on this, they will succeed.
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deterministic.
I think Einstein's view of quantum mechanics (God does not play dice) makes
more sense when viewed in this light.
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--- Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Jan 22, 2007 at 05:26:43PM -0800, Matt Mahoney wrote:
The issues of consciousness have been discussed on the singularity list.
These are hard questions.
I'm not sure questions about anything as ill-defined as consciousness
, usable AGI sooner.
How much knowledge you need depends on what problem you are trying to solve.
Building an AGI to run a corporation is not the same as building a better spam
detector.
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. But the rest of the brain has a complex structure that is poorly
understood.
AGI might still be harder than we think. It has happened before.
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, repeat. Your code has to be both
optimized and structured so that it can be easily changed in ways you can't
predict. This is hard, but unfortunately we do not know yet what will work.
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of activities do they perform during sleep?
Or feel free to chime in with thoughts on AGI and sleep even if you
haven't begun building yet...
-Chuck
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the problem is a false path. If people actually used Logban then
it would be used in ways not intended by the developer and it would develop
all the warts of real languages. The real problem is to understand how humans
learn language.
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