RE: [agi] Logic and Knowledge Representation

2006-05-09 Thread Gary Miller
: [agi] Logic and Knowledge Representation Hi, My opinion on the most probable route to a true AI Entity is: 1. Build a better fuzzy pattern representation language with an inference mechanism for extracting inducible information from user inputs. Fuzziness allows the language

Re: [agi] Logic and Knowledge Representation

2006-05-09 Thread Ben Goertzel
Message- From: Ben Goertzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 9:41 AM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] Logic and Knowledge Representation Hi, My opinion on the most probable route to a true AI Entity is: 1. Build a better fuzzy pattern representation language

Re: [agi] Logic and Knowledge Representation

2006-05-09 Thread Lukasz Kaiser
Hi. Please understand though I am not open sourcing the project. And although I am not certain which parts of what I am doing that are patentable if any, I have documented the development and the partial disclosure of it so that I am in a position to challenge anyone else who might try to

Re: [agi] Logic and Knowledge Representation

2006-05-08 Thread J. Andrew Rogers
On May 7, 2006, at 11:09 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Sun, May 07, 2006 at 09:29:51AM -0400, Ben Goertzel wrote: If you explain to me what non-logic based reprsentation you prefer to use to represent a particular piece of knowledge, I can almost surely What if you don't yet know which piece of

Re: [agi] Logic and Knowledge Representation

2006-05-08 Thread J. Andrew Rogers
On May 6, 2006, at 11:40 PM, John Scanlon wrote: A typical human being's knowledge of the letter A involves recognition of graphical representations of the symbol, memories of its sound when spoken, procedural or muscle memory of how to speak and write it, and memories of where it is

Re: [agi] Logic and Knowledge Representation

2006-05-08 Thread Pei Wang
On 5/8/06, James Ratcliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thats a real fundamental problem though. We can make an AI intelligent without modeling the human learning process, but only to a point. If we continue down that path, just working on the intelligence aspect seperate from human experiences,

Re: [agi] Logic and Knowledge Representation

2006-05-08 Thread sanjay padmane
. From: sanjay padmane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 12:31 PMTo: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] Logic and Knowledge Representation On 5/7/06, Gary Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My opinion on the most probableroute to a true AI Entity is: 1. Build

RE: [agi] Logic and Knowledge Representation

2006-05-08 Thread Gary Miller
PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 1:39 AM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] Logic and Knowledge Representation On May 7, 2006, at 6:37 PM, Gary Miller wrote: Which is why my research has led to a pattern language that can compress all of the synonymous thoughts into a single pattern

[agi] Logic and Knowledge Representation

2006-05-07 Thread John Scanlon
Is anyone interested in discussing the use of formal logic as the foundation for knowledge representation schemes for AI? It'sa common approach, but I think it's the wrong path. Even if you add probability or fuzzy logic, it's still insufficient for true intelligence. The human brain, the

Re: [agi] Logic and Knowledge Representation-- Funny Language

2006-05-07 Thread DGoe
PROTECTED] To : agi@v2.listbox.com Subject : [agi] Logic and Knowledge Representation Date : Sun, 7 May 2006 02:40:06 -0400 Is anyone interested in discussing the use of formal logic as the foundation for knowledge representation schemes for AI? It's a common approach, but I think it's the wrong

RE: [agi] Logic and Knowledge Representation

2006-05-07 Thread Gary Miller
ware makes inrecognizing a word or two in the input stream. From: John Scanlon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 2:40 AMTo: agi@v2.listbox.comSubject: [agi] Logic and Knowledge Representation Is anyone interested in discussing the use of formal logic as the foundation for

Re: [agi] Logic and Knowledge Representation

2006-05-07 Thread Pei Wang
On 5/7/06, John Scanlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anyone interested in discussing the use of formal logic as the foundation for knowledge representation schemes for AI? It's a common approach, but I think it's the wrong path. Even if you add probability or fuzzy logic, it's still

Re: [agi] Logic and Knowledge Representation

2006-05-07 Thread sanjay padmane
On 5/7/06, Gary Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My opinion on the most probableroute to a true AI Entity is: 1. Build a better fuzzy pattern representation language with an inference mechanism for extracting inducible information from user inputs. Fuzziness allows the language to

Re: [agi] Logic and Knowledge Representation

2006-05-07 Thread Pei Wang
On 5/7/06, sanjay padmane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/7/06, Pei Wang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AI doesn't necessarily follow the same path as how human intelligence is produced, even though it is indeed the only path that has been proved to work so far. IMO, if a machine achieves true

Re: [agi] Logic and Knowledge Representation

2006-05-07 Thread mwaser
. Mark ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Original Message - From: Gary Miller To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 9:07 AM Subject: RE: [agi] Logic and Knowledge Representation John said: The human brain, the only high-level intelligent system

Re: [agi] Logic and Knowledge Representation

2006-05-07 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sun, May 07, 2006 at 09:29:51AM -0400, Ben Goertzel wrote: However, this does not imply that in an AI, these things cannot be done using explicit logic operations. It's possible to build anything from NAND gates. But in practice, there are usually other constraints to implementation.

Re: [agi] Logic and Knowledge Representation

2006-05-07 Thread Charles D Hixson
John Scanlon wrote: Is anyone interested in discussing the use of formal logic as the foundation for knowledge representation schemes for AI? It's a common approach, but I think it's the wrong path. Even if you add probability or fuzzy logic, it's still insufficient for true intelligence.

Re: [agi] Logic and Knowledge Representation

2006-05-07 Thread John Scanlon
.listbox.com Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 9:07 AM Subject: RE: [agi] Logic and Knowledge Representation John said: The human brain, the only high-level intelligent system currently known, uses language and logic for abstract reasoning, but these are based on, and owe

Re: [agi] Logic and Knowledge Representation

2006-05-07 Thread J. Andrew Rogers
On May 7, 2006, at 6:37 PM, Gary Miller wrote: Which is why my research has led to a pattern language that can compress all of the synonymous thoughts into a single pattern. The obvious question is how do you deal with the problem of the synonymity of patterns being context sensitive? In