RE: [agi] Re: Compressed Cross-Indexed Concepts

2010-08-29 Thread John G. Rose
contempt. God was a designer long before He took up maths. From: J. Andrew Rogers mailto:jar.mail...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 5:23 PM To: AGI mailto:a...@listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] Re: Compressed Cross-Indexed Concepts On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Mike

Re: [agi] Re: Compressed Cross-Indexed Concepts

2010-08-12 Thread Ian Parker
: Compressed Cross-Indexed Concepts David, I am not a mathematician although I do a lot of computer- related mathematical work of course. My remark was directed toward John who had suggested that he thought that there is some sophisticated mathematical sub system that would (using my words here

Re: [agi] Re: Compressed Cross-Indexed Concepts

2010-08-11 Thread David Jones
This seems to be an overly simplistic view of AGI from a mathematician. It's kind of funny how people over emphasize what they know or depend on their current expertise too much when trying to solve new problems. I don't think it makes sense to apply sanitized and formal mathematical solutions to

Re: [agi] Re: Compressed Cross-Indexed Concepts

2010-08-11 Thread Jim Bromer
David, I am not a mathematician although I do a lot of computer-related mathematical work of course. My remark was directed toward John who had suggested that he thought that there is some sophisticated mathematical sub system that would (using my words here) provide such a substantial benefit to

Re: [agi] Re: Compressed Cross-Indexed Concepts

2010-08-11 Thread David Jones
Jim, Fair enough. My apologies then. I just often see your posts on SAT or other very formal math problems and got the impression that you thought this was at the core of AGI's problems and that pursuing a fast solution to NP-complete problems is the best way to solve it. At least, that was my

Re: [agi] Re: Compressed Cross-Indexed Concepts

2010-08-11 Thread Jim Bromer
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 10:53 AM, David Jones davidher...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it makes sense to apply sanitized and formal mathematical solutions to AGI. What reason do we have to believe that the problems we face when developing AGI are solvable by such formal representations? What

Re: [agi] Re: Compressed Cross-Indexed Concepts

2010-08-11 Thread Jim Bromer
I've made two ultra-brilliant statements in the past few days. One is that a concept can simultaneously be both precise and vague. And the other is that without judgement even opinions are impossible. (Ok, those two statements may not be ultra-brilliant but they are brilliant right? Ok, maybe

Re: [agi] Re: Compressed Cross-Indexed Concepts

2010-08-11 Thread David Jones
Slightly off the topic of your last email. But, all this discussion has made me realize how to phrase something... That is that solving AGI requires understand the constraints that problems impose on a solution. So, it's sort of a unbelievably complex constraint satisfaction problem. What we've

Re: [agi] Re: Compressed Cross-Indexed Concepts

2010-08-11 Thread Jim Bromer
I guess what I was saying was that I can test my mathematical theory and my theories about primitive judgement both at the same time by trying to find those areas where the program seems to be good at something. For example, I found that it was easy to write a program that found outlines where