Re: build on Python 2.6 broken and strongly suggested minimum version
> I also think that we should drop all Python versions before 3.7 from > first-tier support and only continue supporting them if it is not > inconvenient or there is sufficient proven demand. Older but still supported versions of Debian and CentOS are still using Python 2, but it's 2.7 rather than 2.6. I think we should keep supporting 2.7. But I don't do much work with Python. How much of a pain is supporting Python 2? > Given the lack of complaints, I suspect no one uses 2.6 anymore, which can be > dropped. Is there a supported distro that is still using 2.6? -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ devel mailing list devel@ntpsec.org https://lists.ntpsec.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: getargspec gone in Python 3.11?
Works for me. Thanks. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ devel mailing list devel@ntpsec.org https://lists.ntpsec.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
getargspec gone in Python 3.11?
I have a system using Python 3.11 It says: == ERROR: test_packetize (__main__.NtpqRvInfoStats.test_packetize) Test ntp.util.packetize by coqtavoric gavage and scatology. -- Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/murray/ntpsec/play/ntp4/main/tests/pylib/test_util.py", line 1346, in test_packetize shot_test(self, ntp.util.packetize, cases) File "/home/murray/ntpsec/play/ntp4/main/tests/pylib/test_util.py", line 1364, in shot_test if "msg" in inspect.getargspec(classy.assertEqual).args: ^^ AttributeError: module 'inspect' has no attribute 'getargspec' -- It worked with Python 3.10 Google found this: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/61933427/deprecationwarning-inspect-getar gspec-is-deprecated-since-python-3-0 DeprecationWarning: inspect.getargspec() is deprecated since Python 3.0 -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ devel mailing list devel@ntpsec.org https://lists.ntpsec.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
FS: 2015 MacBook Air 11" 2.2gHz i7 8GB RAM 960GB SSD
Hey Swappers, I’m selling my travel laptop, since I’m not doing much traveling. It’s been seeing little use, so here we are. It’s maxxed out in all specs from Apple and I added a large, fast SSD. It’s tiny, it’s fast, and it deserves a good home where it’ll get more use. Specs: 2015 (final version) 11” MacBook Air 2.2gHz i7 CPU 8GB RAM 960GB SSD (OWC Aura Pro X2, very fast) Only 320 battery charge cycles, still holds a great charge All the ports and functions work great. The display is clear and bright. No issues. Cosmetically, I’d rate this a 9/10, with only very slight wear and tear. No dings/dents/scratches that I can see. It’s in a clear shell case and has a palmrest protector installed. It will ship with the hard shell case, a Speck rigid sleeve case for travel, and a Magsafe 2 AC adapter. Asking $390 or best offer -- Hal Widlansky Salt Lake City, UT 84108 -- You received this message because you are a member of the LEM Swap group. To post to this group, send email to lemswap@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send an email *from your subscribed address* to lemswap+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com LEM-Swap is not a discussion list; it is for buying & selling Mac stuff. Reply directly to the person who posted, never to the list. Software piracy is illegal and not allowed on LEM Swap. Except for freeware and software originally provided with computers, no software is to be left on hard drives unless the original installer (not a burned copy) is included, along with any required registration number, password, etc. Shipments valued at US$100 or more should be insured, and shipments valued at US$25 or more should be shipped so they can be tracked. See the list FAQ http://lowendmac.com/2014/lem-swap/ for guidelines on postings, feedback, and dispute resolution. Seller feedback at http://groups.google.com/group/swap-feedback --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "LEM Swap" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lemswap+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/lemswap/828896E4-0D73-474A-A8A0-6481FA9BBCE2%40mac.com.
Re: About upgrading to MacOS 13
> On Dec 7, 2022, at 8:21 AM, Daniel CLEMENT via lyx-users > wrote: > > Dear list members, > > I have monitored last month’s threads about LyX woes under macOS 13. There > wasn’t a definite conclusion it seems. > > Would you say it’s safe to upgrade to MacOS13 now (with LyX 2.3.6.2)? > > When I installed it, it complained about Python missing, but I somehow > managed to get Python installed too. > -- > Daniel CLEMENT I have the same question. Hal -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Formatting/Equation numbering
> There are two relevant document class options: > > * "fleqn" (flush left equation), which aligns the equation to the left. Used > by itself, though, it leaves the equation number on the right. > > * "leqno" (left equation number), which puts the equation number on the left. > Used by itself, it centers the equation still. > > BUT, if you use BOTH options, then you get what you want. > > How to do it in LyX? Look at Document> Settings> Document Class. The "Custom" > field allows you to enter class options. In your case, you could enter > "fleqn,leqno". Any class options can be entered here. > > However, LyX also has native support for this under Document> Settings> Math > Options. The Formula Numbering Side option is self-explanatory. You would > want "Left". This adds "leqno" behind the scenes. The other one is the Indent > Formulas checkbox. The tooltip explains what it does: It indents instead of > centering equations. So you can check that. If you leave it at "Default", > then it just adds "fleqn"; you can also, however, control the indent here by > selecting "Custom" and entering a length (which gets set as the \mathindent). > This excellent explanation was also very useful to me. Thanks, Hal -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
FS: 2nd gen original iPod 20GB in collector condition
This is a second generation iPod, the first generation with the touch wheel. It’s the larger capacity 20GB model. It’s in “almost like new condition” with no scratches on the front and only some very light scratches near the center of the mirrored back. The firewire port door is intact. It works great and the battery holds a decent charge. If you’re looking to add one of these to your collection, this is probably the cleanest you’ll find that’s actually been used. Just the iPod is included. Asking $150 or best offer, shipped in the USA. -- Hal Widlansky Salt Lake City, UT 84108 -- You received this message because you are a member of the LEM Swap group. To post to this group, send email to lemswap@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send an email *from your subscribed address* to lemswap+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com LEM-Swap is not a discussion list; it is for buying & selling Mac stuff. Reply directly to the person who posted, never to the list. Software piracy is illegal and not allowed on LEM Swap. Except for freeware and software originally provided with computers, no software is to be left on hard drives unless the original installer (not a burned copy) is included, along with any required registration number, password, etc. Shipments valued at US$100 or more should be insured, and shipments valued at US$25 or more should be shipped so they can be tracked. See the list FAQ http://lowendmac.com/2014/lem-swap/ for guidelines on postings, feedback, and dispute resolution. Seller feedback at http://groups.google.com/group/swap-feedback --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "LEM Swap" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lemswap+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/lemswap/5813DC92-828C-4569-AFC7-1020C4FA16B5%40mac.com.
FS: iPhone 7 256GB Rose Gold
This is an iPhone 7 in Rose Gold (pink) with 256GB storage. Overall, it’s in excellent condition, no dings or dents in the case, the screen is clear and bright. The screen glass does have a chip/crack along one edge, outside of the viewing area. I actually didn’t notice it until I took the case off. It in no way interferes with using the phone, but it's there if you look for it. Battery holds a good charge, and everything works well. It was originally on AT, but has been unlocked. You should be able to pop in a SIM card and go. Asking $75 for the phone and matching Apple leather case, or best offer. -- Hal Widlansky Salt Lake City, UT 84108 -- You received this message because you are a member of the LEM Swap group. To post to this group, send email to lemswap@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send an email *from your subscribed address* to lemswap+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com LEM-Swap is not a discussion list; it is for buying & selling Mac stuff. Reply directly to the person who posted, never to the list. Software piracy is illegal and not allowed on LEM Swap. Except for freeware and software originally provided with computers, no software is to be left on hard drives unless the original installer (not a burned copy) is included, along with any required registration number, password, etc. Shipments valued at US$100 or more should be insured, and shipments valued at US$25 or more should be shipped so they can be tracked. See the list FAQ http://lowendmac.com/2014/lem-swap/ for guidelines on postings, feedback, and dispute resolution. Seller feedback at http://groups.google.com/group/swap-feedback --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "LEM Swap" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lemswap+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/lemswap/EC746A96-DD80-4894-976F-C4CA256DBBE0%40mac.com.
FS: 2015 Macbook Pro 13" 16GB 3.1gHz i7 1TB SSD
This is the 2015 version of the 13” MacBook Pro. It’s the last version before the switch to USB-C, so it has a full complement of ports. It’s the top end version with the following specs: 3.1gHz Dual Core i7 CPU (CTO option) 16GB RAM (CTO option) 1TB SSD (Upgraded, WD Green 1TB with Sintech adapter, very fast) 13” Retina display 2 Thunderbolt 2 ports HDMI port SD card slot 2 USB3 ports No major dings/dents/scratches. Some minor edge scuffs and minor surface scratches, but no dings.The battery has 250 charge cycles on it and holds a good charge.The Retina Display is clear and bright with no dark/light spots or other issues. This laptop had the random shutdown issue, and had the logic board replaced, and has had no issues since. It has the (fairly common) antiglare/staingate issue, and has had the coating removed. The screen is sharp and bright, and I don’t actually notice any difference from when it had the coating. It has a clean install of MacOS Big Sur, and will ship with just the laptop and a magsafe2 AC adapter. Asking $550 or best offer. -- Hal Widlansky Salt Lake City, UT 84108 -- You received this message because you are a member of the LEM Swap group. To post to this group, send email to lemswap@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send an email *from your subscribed address* to lemswap+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com LEM-Swap is not a discussion list; it is for buying & selling Mac stuff. Reply directly to the person who posted, never to the list. Software piracy is illegal and not allowed on LEM Swap. Except for freeware and software originally provided with computers, no software is to be left on hard drives unless the original installer (not a burned copy) is included, along with any required registration number, password, etc. Shipments valued at US$100 or more should be insured, and shipments valued at US$25 or more should be shipped so they can be tracked. See the list FAQ http://lowendmac.com/2014/lem-swap/ for guidelines on postings, feedback, and dispute resolution. Seller feedback at http://groups.google.com/group/swap-feedback --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "LEM Swap" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lemswap+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/lemswap/B1808DE3-A6C9-4043-B813-BDFCAC1D03FC%40mac.com.
Re: Testing
Worked for me. Thanks. What did you do/find? Is it likely to stay working? -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ devel mailing list devel@ntpsec.org https://lists.ntpsec.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
[MARMAM] New publication: Current global population size, post-whaling trend and historical trajectory of sperm whales
The following paper has just been published: Whitehead, H., and M. Shin. 2022. Current global population size, post-whaling trend and historical trajectory of sperm whales. Scientific Reports 12: 19468. It is open access and available at: https://doi.org/10.1038/s41598-022-24107-7 Abstract: The sperm whale lives in most deep ice-free waters of the globe. It was targeted during two periods of whaling peaking in the 1840’s and 1960’s. Using a habitat suitability model, we extrapolated estimates of abundance from visual and acoustic surveys to give a global estimate of 736,053 sperm whales (CV = 0.218) in 1993. Estimates of trends in the post-whaling era suggest that: whaling, by affecting the sex ratio and/or the social cohesion of females, reduced recovery rates well after whaling ceased; preferentially-targeted adult males show the best evidence of recovery, presumably due to recruitment from breeding populations; several decades post-whaling, sperm whale populations not facing much human impact are recovering slowly, but populations may be declining in areas with substantial anthropogenic footprint. A theta-logistic population model enhanced to simulate spatial structure and the non-removal impacts of whaling indicated a pre-whaling population of 1,949,698 (CV = 0.178) in 1710 being reduced by whaling, and then then recovering a little to about 844,761 (CV = 0.209) in 2022. There is much uncertainty about these numbers and trends. A larger population estimate than produced by a similar analysis in 2002 is principally due to a better assessment of ascertainment bias. Hal Whitehead, Dalhousie University (hwhit...@dal.ca) ___ MARMAM mailing list MARMAM@lists.uvic.ca https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/marmam
Re: [Linuxptp-devel] [PATCH 2/4] Add sock servo.
>> What about rcl_sock or refclock_sock? It's used in the file linked by Miroslav. > Both of those sound good to me. Slight preference to refclock_sock if its not > too long. How about SOCK? In the ntp context, we already have SHM and PPS. Both show up in the refid slot in packets. Just to make sure we are on the same wavelength... I'm looking for a term that can be used as a handle when the context is well known for things like "Try SOCK, it worked for me." -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ Linuxptp-devel mailing list Linuxptp-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/linuxptp-devel
Re: [Linuxptp-devel] [PATCH 2/4] Add sock servo.
>> How specific is this to chronyd? > AFAIK no other application implements the server side of the protocol. >> Would it make sense to call this chronysock >> instead of just sock? > Yes, that makes sense. If there are no other issues with the > patches, I can resend. Calling it chronysock has the disadvantage of sounding like only chrony should use it. >> The implementation seems fine but its using an interface that was defined by >> chrony. I suppose another application could implement the same interface >> though.. > ntpsec might be interested in implementing it. We'll see. Is there a URL for the spec? I don't want an RFC. Good comments in a header file may be enough. A separate document may be better if there are complications that need explaining. Is there a version number? (or plan for how to update things) I agree that the current SHM setup is far from wonderful. There is a clean way to make SHM read-only by receivers so you can have multiple receivers. That would let you run gpsmon while chronyd/ntpd is running. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ Linuxptp-devel mailing list Linuxptp-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/linuxptp-devel
[Corpora-List] Recruiting graduate and undergraduate summer research interns for Data-Driven Accessibility at Microsoft Research
Dear corpora readers: We -- Danielle Bragg, Alex Lu, and Hal Daumé III -- are looking to hire research interns to work on data-driven accessibility research projects, alongside leading researchers and engineers in the field. We are recruiting both graduate research interns and undergraduate research interns for Summer 2023. (ASL recruitment video: https://youtu.be/Gb-8CTpKxhU.) Our team takes a human-centered and data-driven approach to advancing the state of accessible technologies. Recent work has focused on data collection methods, sign language modeling, understanding concerns and perspectives of user communities, and building novel apps and experiences. You can learn more about some of the team’s recent efforts at the data-driven accessibility systems page <https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/project/data-driven-accessibility-systems/>. These positions sit within Microsoft Research New York City, with opportunities to collaborate with Microsoft Research New England and others across the company. Our team is highly interdisciplinary and offers the opportunity to interact with diverse researchers. For graduate students, please apply (short research statement and two letters) at the Research Intern Portal <https://careers.microsoft.com/us/en/job/1483492/Research-Intern-Data-Driven-Accessibility> . For undergraduate students, please apply to the MSR Undergraduate Research Internship and mention one or more of us by name (CV, 2-3 reference letters, and two essays) at the Undergraduate Research Intern Portal <https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/academic-program/undergraduate-research-internship-computing/> . Microsoft is an equal opportunity employer. All qualified applicants will receive consideration for employment without regard to age, ancestry, color, family or medical care leave, gender identity or expression, genetic information, marital status, medical condition, national origin, physical or mental disability, political affiliation, protected veteran status, race, religion, sex (including pregnancy), sexual orientation, or any other characteristic protected by applicable laws, regulations and ordinances. We also consider qualified applicants regardless of criminal histories, consistent with legal requirements. If you need assistance and/or a reasonable accommodation due to a disability during the application or the recruiting process, please send a request via the Accommodation request form <https://careers.microsoft.com/us/en/accommodationrequest>. Sincerely, Danielle Bragg, Alex Lu, and Hal Daumé III ___ Corpora mailing list -- corpora@list.elra.info https://list.elra.info/mailman3/postorius/lists/corpora.list.elra.info/ To unsubscribe send an email to corpora-le...@list.elra.info
[mailop] Industry standards
> That's the industry standard: block after abuse. Instead, t-online.de uses > block-and-maybe-unblock-after-contact. This is not how email is supposed to > work. I thought the standard was your server, your rules. It's fine to whine and rant here, but that isn't going to change anything. Fighting spam is expensive. Receivers have to filter out the crap. Senders have to get through the filters. Does anybody have any suggestions for how a help small sites? -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
Re: [chrony-dev] Diagnosing pre-shared key authentication failure
avaman...@gmail.com said: > P.S. About logging, some (rate-limited) warnings against such failures would > actually be very interesting to security teams. With your security team hat on, what would you want to know and what would you do if you got a report that said IP address xxx had N authentication failures? -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. -- To unsubscribe email chrony-dev-requ...@chrony.tuxfamily.org with "unsubscribe" in the subject. For help email chrony-dev-requ...@chrony.tuxfamily.org with "help" in the subject. Trouble? Email listmas...@chrony.tuxfamily.org.
Re: [PATCH v2] hw/smbios: support for type 8 (port connector)
Hello,
Any update on merging this?
Kind regards,
Hal
On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 5:04 PM Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>
> On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 03:51:53PM +0200, Hal Martin wrote:
> > PATCH v1: add support for SMBIOS type 8 to qemu
> > PATCH v2: incorporate patch v1 feedback and add smbios type=8 to
> > qemu-options
>
> history after --- pls
>
> > internal_reference: internal reference designator
> > external_reference: external reference designator
> > connector_type: hex value for port connector type (see SMBIOS 7.9.2)
> > port_type: hex value for port type (see SMBIOS 7.9.3)
> >
> > After studying various vendor implementationsi (Dell, Lenovo, MSI),
> > the value of internal connector type was hard-coded to 0x0 (None).
> >
> > Example usage:
> > -smbios
> > type=8,internal_reference=JUSB1,external_reference=USB1,connector_type=0x12,port_type=0x10
> > \
> > -smbios type=8,internal_reference=JAUD1,external_reference="Audio
> > Jack",connector_type=0x1f,port_type=0x1d \
> > -smbios
> > type=8,internal_reference=LAN,external_reference=Ethernet,connector_type=0x0b,port_type=0x1f
> > \
> > -smbios
> > type=8,internal_reference=PS2,external_reference=Mouse,connector_type=0x0f,port_type=0x0e
> > \
> > -smbios
> > type=8,internal_reference=PS2,external_reference=Keyboard,connector_type=0x0f,port_type=0x0d
> >
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Hal Martin
>
> We are in freeze, I tagged this for after the release.
> Just to make sure pls ping me after the release if possible.
>
>
>
> > ---
> > hw/smbios/smbios.c | 63
> > include/hw/firmware/smbios.h | 10 ++
> > qemu-options.hx | 2 ++
> > 3 files changed, 75 insertions(+)
> >
> > diff --git a/hw/smbios/smbios.c b/hw/smbios/smbios.c
> > index 60349ee402..578cae0f0a 100644
> > --- a/hw/smbios/smbios.c
> > +++ b/hw/smbios/smbios.c
> > @@ -111,6 +111,13 @@ static struct {
> > .processor_id = 0,
> > };
> >
> > +struct type8_instance {
> > +const char *internal_reference, *external_reference;
> > +uint8_t connector_type, port_type;
> > +QTAILQ_ENTRY(type8_instance) next;
> > +};
> > +static QTAILQ_HEAD(, type8_instance) type8 =
> > QTAILQ_HEAD_INITIALIZER(type8);
> > +
> > static struct {
> > size_t nvalues;
> > char **values;
> > @@ -337,6 +344,29 @@ static const QemuOptDesc qemu_smbios_type4_opts[] = {
> > { /* end of list */ }
> > };
> >
> > +static const QemuOptDesc qemu_smbios_type8_opts[] = {
> > +{
> > +.name = "internal_reference",
> > +.type = QEMU_OPT_STRING,
> > +.help = "internal reference designator",
> > +},
> > +{
> > +.name = "external_reference",
> > +.type = QEMU_OPT_STRING,
> > +.help = "external reference designator",
> > +},
> > +{
> > +.name = "connector_type",
> > +.type = QEMU_OPT_NUMBER,
> > +.help = "connector type",
> > +},
> > +{
> > +.name = "port_type",
> > +.type = QEMU_OPT_NUMBER,
> > +.help = "port type",
> > +},
> > +};
> > +
> > static const QemuOptDesc qemu_smbios_type11_opts[] = {
> > {
> > .name = "value",
> > @@ -718,6 +748,26 @@ static void smbios_build_type_4_table(MachineState
> > *ms, unsigned instance)
> > smbios_type4_count++;
> > }
> >
> > +static void smbios_build_type_8_table(void)
> > +{
> > +unsigned instance = 0;
> > +struct type8_instance *t8;
> > +
> > +QTAILQ_FOREACH(t8, , next) {
> > +SMBIOS_BUILD_TABLE_PRE(8, T0_BASE + instance, true);
> > +
> > +SMBIOS_TABLE_SET_STR(8, internal_reference_str,
> > t8->internal_reference);
> > +SMBIOS_TABLE_SET_STR(8, external_reference_str,
> > t8->external_reference);
> > +/* most vendors seem to set this to None */
> > +t->internal_connector_type = 0x0;
> > +t->external_connector_type = t8->connector_type;
> > +t->port_type = t8->port_type;
> > +
> > +SMBIOS_BUILD_TABLE_POST;
> > +instance++;
> > +}
> > +}
> > +
> > static void smbios_build_type_11_table(void)
> > {
> > char count_str[128];
> > @@ -1030,6 +1080,7 @@
FS: 2015 13" MacBook Pro 3.1gHz i7 16GB 1TB
This is the 2015 version of the 13” MacBook Pro. It’s the last version before the switch to USB-C, so it has a full complement of ports. It’s the top end version with the following specs: 3.1gHz Dual Core i7 CPU (CTO option) 16GB RAM (CTO option) 1TB SSD (Upgraded, WD Blue SN550 1TB with Sintech adapter, very fast) 13” Retina display (with screen protector installed) 2 Thunderbolt 2 ports HDMI port SD card slot 2 USB3 ports Hard shell case on it since new Palmrest protector installed This laptop basically looks new. No dings/dents/major scratches. The battery has 10 charge cycles on it and holds a good charge.The Retina Display is clear and bright with no dark/light spots or other issues. It’s had the screen protector installed for several years, and has no marks on the display. It’s been my backup laptop for several years, and only traveled with me once or twice. The rest of the time it’s been on a shelf, or been used on my desk plugged into a Thunderbolt display. It works great, looks great, and is very fast with the 16GB of ram and the upgraded SSD. It has a clean install of MacOS Big Sur, and will ship with the hard shell case and an Apple Magsafe 2 AC adapter. Asking $550 or best offer. -- Hal Widlansky Salt Lake City, UT 84108 -- You received this message because you are a member of the LEM Swap group. To post to this group, send email to lemswap@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send an email *from your subscribed address* to lemswap+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com LEM-Swap is not a discussion list; it is for buying & selling Mac stuff. Reply directly to the person who posted, never to the list. Software piracy is illegal and not allowed on LEM Swap. Except for freeware and software originally provided with computers, no software is to be left on hard drives unless the original installer (not a burned copy) is included, along with any required registration number, password, etc. Shipments valued at US$100 or more should be insured, and shipments valued at US$25 or more should be shipped so they can be tracked. See the list FAQ http://lowendmac.com/2014/lem-swap/ for guidelines on postings, feedback, and dispute resolution. Seller feedback at http://groups.google.com/group/swap-feedback --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "LEM Swap" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lemswap+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/lemswap/B1FB3D85-3A15-47CC-82A0-27CD6F9BEE6D%40mac.com.
Re: [mailop] SMTP noise from *.bouncer.cloud
ra...@usebouncer.com said: > - marketing teams coming to us from Marketing SaaSs, who, during customer > onboarding, notice that the quality of email lists is low and send their > customers to us to clean it first. My alarm bells went off on one of your first messages when you said little guys need to spam because otherwise they couldn't compete with the big guys. Many marketing people just don't get it when it comes to spam. They can always come up with some way to rationalize that their spam isn't spam. I wonder if it is genetic. Vernon Schryver has a wonderful list: Spam is That Which We Don't Do https://www.rhyolite.com/anti-spam/that-which-we-dont.html There is a wide range of spam -- from crooks and Viagra to people who don't know better. There are also lots of people who do know better, but try to push the limits a bit, or push too hard and try to talk their way out of it. There is also a wide range of email marketing consultants. Some sell lists and spamming services. Some will encourage confirmed opt-in. Some would be happy to hire somebody else to do the dirty work of cleaning their lists. --- > - if you don't want us to verify your email addresses - please let us know > and we will consider them as blocked (no need even to spend your time on > feeding the firewall or block list), That's opt-out. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] SMTP noise from *.bouncer.cloud
Radek Kaczynski said: > That's interesting indeed - we haven't implemented SMTP VRFY as it is very > uncommon. > However, I truly think that it would be great to use VRFY instead of "broken > SMTP trick". > I would be more than happy to pay to use it - or give back to the community > or charity. If you want people to take you seriously, I suggest you put your energy into figuring out how to convince people that your customers are not spammers. I have no idea how you could do that. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
[Corpora-List] Survey Study on Sign Language Computation using Machine Learning
Hello! We are a team of researchers from MSR New England and New York. We are seeking participants (aged 18 or older) who have experience in machine learning or are interested in applying machine learning to developing computational models for signed languages for a survey study. The purpose of this project is to explore how machine learning practitioners can better build machine learning models for sign language computation (e.g., recognition/translation). We want to understand your general motivations in working with machine learning problems and expected challenges when newly working with sign language data and tasks. Please know that sign language knowledge or sign language computation experience is NOT required to participate in this project. The survey can be found at https://forms.office.com/r/7LPnkdTFLN<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforms.office.com%2Fr%2F7LPnkdTFLN=05%7C01%7Chal3%40microsoft.com%7C8c38aea74a2d481fc10208da7f003827%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637961936221008883%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=Gb%2BdpF4jkuJZyNvOEJ0PXB6CrNIOz7Vn5z5JQo7al2o%3D=0> along with a consent form for further details. For every submission of the survey, $10 will be donated to LEAD-K (Language Equity and Acquisition for Deaf Kids), up to the first 50 submissions. The survey receives one submission per person. Once you agree to consent, you will be directed to the survey questions. It will take about 30 minutes to answer the questions, including your experience in machine learning and sign language computation (if any), understanding of sign language culture, and demographics such as your age or education level. Your responses will be anonymous, unless you choose to provide your name and email address for future contact where you will be invited to participate in a paid study to collaborate with American Sign Language experts. Your name and email address will never be shared outside of the research team. Please complete the survey by Tuesday, 8/23 and feel free to forward this to other colleagues who may be interested! Thank you so much for your consideration! Rie Kamikubo, Danielle Bragg, Alex Lu, Hal Daumé III ___ Corpora mailing list -- corpora@list.elra.info https://list.elra.info/mailman3/postorius/lists/corpora.list.elra.info/ To unsubscribe send an email to corpora-le...@list.elra.info
Re: [TLS] Getting started, clock not set yet
Thanks. > It's been a few years, but IIRC my thinking was that the degree of trust > required in the Roughtime servers' long-term public keys is very low: you're > trusting them only for one server's assertion of the current time, not for > general web traffic; and if you ask enough servers, the likelihood of being > tricked into trusting a bad timestamp is very low even over long time > periods. I've been assuming self-signed certificates with long lifetimes -- one per server. > Such an attack would require both access to a large number of long-term > private keys whose public keys are embedded in the client attack target, as > well as the ability to intercept traffic intended for each of these servers > at whatever moment the client initiates the Roughtime protocol (which > probably implies a long-term undetected network presence). This is clearly a > higher bar than simply trusting a web PKI certificate signed some > indeterminate time ago without respecting the expiration date and without > being able to update CRLs on startup (which also poses trust anchor turtles > all the way down). > In other words, much of the security of the scheme is in the practical > difficulty of mounting a successful attack even if the keys have been > compromised. NTS doesn't even attempt to address this kind of attack vector. Is there a first order difference between NTS using self signed certificates and Roughtime? There have been semi-endless debates about how many NTP servers to use. (I haven't seen one recently.) With 3 servers, 2 can outvote 1 bad guy. With 4 servers, you still have 3 if one is down. ... Adding security complicates that discussion. You have to add deliberate malfeasance to the list of things that can go wrong. And things can change over 10 years. Are there any good papers or web pages discussing the security of TLS? One quirk on my 10 year problem. If the boxes are sitting on a shelf, it's at least possible to open them up and update firmware. It would be expensive, but it is another branch of the cost-benefit tree. Again, thanks for your helpful input. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ TLS mailing list TLS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls
Re: [TLS] Getting started, clock not set yet
> IIRC, this is one of the main arguments for advancing Roughtime: I took a look at draft 06. I don't see how it helps. Am I missing something? Here is the key section: 6.4 Validity of Response A client MUST check the following properties when it receives a response. We assume the long-term server public key is known to the client through other means. If I can distribute valid long-term keys, I can use them to sign the certificates for NTS-KE servers and don't need Roughtime to get started. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ TLS mailing list TLS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls
[PATCH v2] hw/smbios: support for type 8 (port connector)
PATCH v1: add support for SMBIOS type 8 to qemu
PATCH v2: incorporate patch v1 feedback and add smbios type=8 to qemu-options
internal_reference: internal reference designator
external_reference: external reference designator
connector_type: hex value for port connector type (see SMBIOS 7.9.2)
port_type: hex value for port type (see SMBIOS 7.9.3)
After studying various vendor implementationsi (Dell, Lenovo, MSI),
the value of internal connector type was hard-coded to 0x0 (None).
Example usage:
-smbios
type=8,internal_reference=JUSB1,external_reference=USB1,connector_type=0x12,port_type=0x10
\
-smbios type=8,internal_reference=JAUD1,external_reference="Audio
Jack",connector_type=0x1f,port_type=0x1d \
-smbios
type=8,internal_reference=LAN,external_reference=Ethernet,connector_type=0x0b,port_type=0x1f
\
-smbios
type=8,internal_reference=PS2,external_reference=Mouse,connector_type=0x0f,port_type=0x0e
\
-smbios
type=8,internal_reference=PS2,external_reference=Keyboard,connector_type=0x0f,port_type=0x0d
Signed-off-by: Hal Martin
---
hw/smbios/smbios.c | 63
include/hw/firmware/smbios.h | 10 ++
qemu-options.hx | 2 ++
3 files changed, 75 insertions(+)
diff --git a/hw/smbios/smbios.c b/hw/smbios/smbios.c
index 60349ee402..578cae0f0a 100644
--- a/hw/smbios/smbios.c
+++ b/hw/smbios/smbios.c
@@ -111,6 +111,13 @@ static struct {
.processor_id = 0,
};
+struct type8_instance {
+const char *internal_reference, *external_reference;
+uint8_t connector_type, port_type;
+QTAILQ_ENTRY(type8_instance) next;
+};
+static QTAILQ_HEAD(, type8_instance) type8 = QTAILQ_HEAD_INITIALIZER(type8);
+
static struct {
size_t nvalues;
char **values;
@@ -337,6 +344,29 @@ static const QemuOptDesc qemu_smbios_type4_opts[] = {
{ /* end of list */ }
};
+static const QemuOptDesc qemu_smbios_type8_opts[] = {
+{
+.name = "internal_reference",
+.type = QEMU_OPT_STRING,
+.help = "internal reference designator",
+},
+{
+.name = "external_reference",
+.type = QEMU_OPT_STRING,
+.help = "external reference designator",
+},
+{
+.name = "connector_type",
+.type = QEMU_OPT_NUMBER,
+.help = "connector type",
+},
+{
+.name = "port_type",
+.type = QEMU_OPT_NUMBER,
+.help = "port type",
+},
+};
+
static const QemuOptDesc qemu_smbios_type11_opts[] = {
{
.name = "value",
@@ -718,6 +748,26 @@ static void smbios_build_type_4_table(MachineState *ms,
unsigned instance)
smbios_type4_count++;
}
+static void smbios_build_type_8_table(void)
+{
+unsigned instance = 0;
+struct type8_instance *t8;
+
+QTAILQ_FOREACH(t8, , next) {
+SMBIOS_BUILD_TABLE_PRE(8, T0_BASE + instance, true);
+
+SMBIOS_TABLE_SET_STR(8, internal_reference_str,
t8->internal_reference);
+SMBIOS_TABLE_SET_STR(8, external_reference_str,
t8->external_reference);
+/* most vendors seem to set this to None */
+t->internal_connector_type = 0x0;
+t->external_connector_type = t8->connector_type;
+t->port_type = t8->port_type;
+
+SMBIOS_BUILD_TABLE_POST;
+instance++;
+}
+}
+
static void smbios_build_type_11_table(void)
{
char count_str[128];
@@ -1030,6 +1080,7 @@ void smbios_get_tables(MachineState *ms,
smbios_build_type_4_table(ms, i);
}
+smbios_build_type_8_table();
smbios_build_type_11_table();
#define MAX_DIMM_SZ (16 * GiB)
@@ -1346,6 +1397,18 @@ void smbios_entry_add(QemuOpts *opts, Error **errp)
UINT16_MAX);
}
return;
+case 8:
+if (!qemu_opts_validate(opts, qemu_smbios_type8_opts, errp)) {
+return;
+}
+struct type8_instance *t;
+t = g_new0(struct type8_instance, 1);
+save_opt(>internal_reference, opts, "internal_reference");
+save_opt(>external_reference, opts, "external_reference");
+t->connector_type = qemu_opt_get_number(opts, "connector_type", 0);
+t->port_type = qemu_opt_get_number(opts, "port_type", 0);
+QTAILQ_INSERT_TAIL(, t, next);
+return;
case 11:
if (!qemu_opts_validate(opts, qemu_smbios_type11_opts, errp)) {
return;
diff --git a/include/hw/firmware/smbios.h b/include/hw/firmware/smbios.h
index 4b7ad77a44..e7d386f7c8 100644
--- a/include/hw/firmware/smbios.h
+++ b/include/hw/firmware/smbios.h
@@ -189,6 +189,16 @@ struct smbios_type_4 {
uint16_t processor_family2;
} QEMU_PACKED;
+/* SMBIOS type 8 - Port Connector Information */
+struct smbios_type_8 {
+struct smbios_
[TLS] Getting started, clock not set yet
I work on NTP software. NTS (Network Time Security) uses TLS. Many security schemes get tangled up with time. TLS has time limits on certificates. That presents a chicken-egg problem for NTP when getting started. I'm looking for ideas, data, references, whatever? Is there other work in this area? Is there any sort of consensus on how close a clock needs to be when checking certificates? At this point, I divide the problem into 3 chunks. The first case is easy. I'll call it the RTC case. Most PCs, laptops, and servers have some sort of battery backed clock. As long as it is close enough, everything just works. But how close is close enough? You need a plan for when the battery dies and such. Set the clock from the BIOS. ssh in and set the clock. That requires setting up the ssh keys ahead of time. The second case is something like a Raspberry Pi. They don't have RTCs. Debian has a fake-hwclock module that writes the time to the disk every hour. I call this the one year case. What happens when you leave it on the shelf for a year? Certificates are generally available with only a 1 year lifetime. That's built into popular browsers so everybody else gets stuck with the decision. After a year, nothing works. After 6 months, half of your servers should still work. A vendor could setup 2 servers with their certificates 6 months out of phase so that 1 will last at least a year. Note that games and IoT gear sold through retail channels will hit this problem if they sit on a shelf for a year. The really hard case is the 10 year problem. Consider a spare board sitting on the shelf for 10 years. That's longer than batteries will last for RTCs. Phone companies used to work on this time frame. I think we need to provide them guidance. I've seen two ways. One is to manually set the clock somewhere in the replace-the-board process. I'm picturing a USB port where the technician can plug in his laptop. The laptop can set the time. The other is to use a certificate with a long lifetime. Are those available or does that turn into a self-signed certificate? There is also DNSSEC. I don't know anything about that yet. For the 1 year or 10 year cases, you could "cache" the data in /etc/hosts. Then you need a cron job to keep the cache up to date. Does this make sense? Am I on the right track? ... -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ TLS mailing list TLS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls
Re: [chrony-dev] nts_ke_server calling UTI_GetRandomBytesUrandom
un...@physics.ubc.ca said: > Are you stating that /dev/urandom is not available on the machine you are > using? No. A crypto package is needed for shared keys. I/we hadn't considered building without shared keys. > You are using Linux I believe. NTPsec builds/runs on Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, and probably anything that is POSIX enough and supports ntp_adjtime(). -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. -- To unsubscribe email chrony-dev-requ...@chrony.tuxfamily.org with "unsubscribe" in the subject. For help email chrony-dev-requ...@chrony.tuxfamily.org with "help" in the subject. Trouble? Email listmas...@chrony.tuxfamily.org.
Re: [chrony-dev] nts_ke_server calling UTI_GetRandomBytesUrandom
mlich...@redhat.com said: > Is OpenSSL required in NTPsec? chrony can be built with no crypto library, so > it needs a random generator that's always available. That's /dev/urandom. Not currently. Thanks for the suggestion. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. -- To unsubscribe email chrony-dev-requ...@chrony.tuxfamily.org with "unsubscribe" in the subject. For help email chrony-dev-requ...@chrony.tuxfamily.org with "help" in the subject. Trouble? Email listmas...@chrony.tuxfamily.org.
Re: [chrony-dev] nts_ke_server calling UTI_GetRandomBytesUrandom
mlich...@redhat.com said: > I was surprised to see they switched arc4random in glibc to getrandom(). That > has a significant performance impact on chronyd, as it calls the function for > each generated RX and TX timestamp. In my NTPsec uses OpenSSL and their crypto package. I noticed significant CPU going into randomness. On investigation, there is high overhead. The cycles per byte isn't horrible for longer chunks. It's things like calling getpid() called during setup. I've contemplated using a big buffer. Fill it with one call to amortize the overhead. Pass out small chunks as needed. I haven't written any code. --- The code I use to poke around is in attic/random.c Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2120 CPU @ 3.30GHz Running on OpenSSL 3.0.5 5 Jul 2022 times in ns avg fastest lng getpid():389(simple kernel call) clock_gettime:19(overhead of fastest) random(): 18 36 RAND_bytes(): 2122 20384 RAND_bytes(): 2110 2041 16 RAND_bytes(): 2363 2231 32 RAND_bytes(): 2720 2628 160 RAND_bytes(): 3090 2980 320 RAND_priv_bytes(): 2120 20344 RAND_priv_bytes(): 2107 2025 16 RAND_priv_bytes(): 2326 2231 32 RAND_priv_bytes(): 2732 2625 160 RAND_priv_bytes(): 3107 2981 320 -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. -- To unsubscribe email chrony-dev-requ...@chrony.tuxfamily.org with "unsubscribe" in the subject. For help email chrony-dev-requ...@chrony.tuxfamily.org with "help" in the subject. Trouble? Email listmas...@chrony.tuxfamily.org.
Re: [mailop] HR 8160 and SB 4409: The "You're not allowed to run political campaign email through your spam filter" act
Is there any hard data? This seems like thesis bait. I'd expect there to be a steady trickle of papers or reports with good data on political spam. Where are they? I hear lots of complaints by conservatives/Republicans that the spam filters are biased against them. If they send more spam, I'd expect more of their mail to get blocked. But that's because they are sending spam, not because the filters are biased. I'd really like to see hard data to back that up or refute it. How about a trial with the house and senate mail systems? :) -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
FS: Mac Mini 2012 Server 2.6gHz i7 16GB Ram 4TB Fusion Drive
I’m reconfiguring my home network, and am taking this mini out of service. It was used as an iTunes media server for streaming movies to my AppleTV and backing up my mobile devices. It’s the top-spec 2012 Mac Mini (CTO) with the following specs: 2.6 gHz Quad-core i7 CPU 16GB RAM (upgraded to the maximum) Dual internal SATA drives, configured as a single 4TB Fusion Drive: 2TB (spinning disc) hard drive 2TB Crucial SSD The Fusion Drive makes it really fast, and the quad core CPU and 16GB of RAM make it a great workstation or server. All of the usual ports and other features. It works great, has no obvious physical imperfections (scratches, dings, etc.) It’s got a clean install of Mac OS Mojave installed. Comes with just the Mac Mini and a generic (black) power cord. Asking $550 shipped in the US. -- Hal Widlansky Salt Lake City, UT 84108 -- You received this message because you are a member of the LEM Swap group. To post to this group, send email to lemswap@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send an email *from your subscribed address* to lemswap+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com LEM-Swap is not a discussion list; it is for buying & selling Mac stuff. Reply directly to the person who posted, never to the list. Software piracy is illegal and not allowed on LEM Swap. Except for freeware and software originally provided with computers, no software is to be left on hard drives unless the original installer (not a burned copy) is included, along with any required registration number, password, etc. Shipments valued at US$100 or more should be insured, and shipments valued at US$25 or more should be shipped so they can be tracked. See the list FAQ http://lowendmac.com/2014/lem-swap/ for guidelines on postings, feedback, and dispute resolution. Seller feedback at http://groups.google.com/group/swap-feedback --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "LEM Swap" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lemswap+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/lemswap/274ED8D8-3CA5-47B4-AE5A-969E962D6575%40mac.com.
[coreboot] Intel sandybridge northbridge with ibexpeak southbridge?
Hello, I have a platform (Advantech NAMB-3250MB, used in some Riverbed appliances) which uses Sandy/Ivy Bridge CPUs, but has a DH89xxCC southbridge which according to ifdtool is Ibex Peak. [3] The ME firmware version from the vendor firmware is 6.0.50.1244 which also corresponds to Ibex Peak (Series 5) and not Cougar Point (Series 6). [1] I did not know it was possible to pair a Series 5 chipset with Sandy/Ivy Bridge, since the DH89xxCC only supports DMI 1 (intel-communications-chipset-89xx-series-datasheet.pdf page 5) and Sandy/Ivy Bridge support DMI 2.0 [2] It would appear that using northbridge/intel/sandybridge with southbridge/intel/ibexpeak in coreboot is not supported: /opt/coreboot/util/crossgcc/xgcc/bin/i386-elf-ld.bfd: build/romstage/northbridge/intel/sandybridge/early_dmi.o: in function `early_init_dmi': /opt/coreboot/src/northbridge/intel/sandybridge/early_dmi.c:175: undefined reference to `early_pch_init_native_dmi_pre' /opt/coreboot/util/crossgcc/xgcc/bin/i386-elf-ld.bfd: /opt/coreboot/src/northbridge/intel/sandybridge/early_dmi.c:215: undefined reference to `early_pch_init_native_dmi_post' /opt/coreboot/util/crossgcc/xgcc/bin/i386-elf-ld.bfd: build/romstage/northbridge/intel/sandybridge/raminit.o: in function `init_dram_ddr3': /opt/coreboot/src/northbridge/intel/sandybridge/raminit.c:322: undefined reference to `early_pch_init_native' src/arch/x86/Makefile.inc:185: recipe for target 'build/cbfs/fallback/romstage.debug' failed make: *** [build/cbfs/fallback/romstage.debug] Error 1 There is no early_pch_init_native_* in src/southbridge/intel/ibexpeak Is it safe to assume that IronLake northbridge is not applicable to Sandy/Ivy Bridge CPUs? In which case, I guess the only way this platform could ever be supported is if the missing early_pch_init_native_* functions are implemented for IbexPeak? Kind regards, Hal Martin [1] https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/management_engine [2] https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/platforms/details/crystal-forest.html?s=Newest [3] ./ifdtool dump.bin PCH Revision: 5 series Ibex Peak FLMAP0:0x02040002 NR: 2 FRBA:0x40 NC: 1 FCBA:0x20 FLMAP1:0x10100206 ISL: 0x10 FPSBA: 0x100 NM: 2 FMBA:0x60 FLMAP2:0x0120 PSL: 0x0001 FMSBA: 0x200 FLUMAP1: 0x02ef Intel ME VSCC Table Length (VTL):2 Intel ME VSCC Table Base Address (VTBA): 0x000ef0 ME VSCC table: JID0: 0x004b25bf SPI Component Vendor ID:0xbf SPI Component Device ID 0: 0x25 SPI Component Device ID 1: 0x4b VSCC0: 0x20092009 Lower Erase Opcode: 0x20 Lower Write Enable on Write Status: 0x50 Lower Write Status Required:Yes Lower Write Granularity:1 bytes Lower Block / Sector Erase Size:4KB Upper Erase Opcode: 0x20 Upper Write Enable on Write Status: 0x50 Upper Write Status Required:Yes Upper Write Granularity:1 bytes Upper Block / Sector Erase Size:4KB OEM Section: 00: ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff 10: ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff 20: ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff 30: ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff Found Region Section FLREG0:0x Flash Region 0 (Flash Descriptor): - 0fff FLREG1:0x07ff0400 Flash Region 1 (BIOS): 0040 - 007f FLREG2:0x03ff0001 Flash Region 2 (Intel ME): 1000 - 003f FLREG3:0x0fff Flash Region 3 (GbE): 00fff000 - 0fff (unused) FLREG4:0x0fff Flash Region 4 (Platform Data): 00fff000 - 0fff (unused) Found Component Section FLCOMP 0x0010001c Dual Output Fast Read Support: not supported Read ID/Read Status Clock Frequency: 20MHz Write/Erase Clock Frequency: 20MHz Fast Read Clock Frequency: 20MHz Fast Read Support: supported Read Clock Frequency:20MHz Component 2 Density: 4MB Component 1 Density: 8MB FLILL 0x Invalid Instruction 3: 0x00 Invalid Instruction 2: 0x00 Invalid Instruction 1: 0x00 Invalid Instruction 0: 0x00 FLPB 0x Flash Partition Boundary Address: 0x00 Found PCH Strap Section PCHSTRP0 : 0x00205602 PCHSTRP1 : 0x010f PCHSTRP2 : 0x9000 PCHSTRP3 : 0x PCHSTRP4 : 0x00c8e000 PCHSTRP5 : 0x PCHSTRP6 : 0x PCHSTRP7 : 0x PCHSTRP8 : 0x PCHSTRP9 : 0x PCHSTRP10 : 0x00010044 PCHSTRP11 : 0x9997 PCHSTRP12 : 0x PCHSTRP13 : 0x PCHSTRP14 : 0x PCHSTRP15 : 0x000e AltMeDisable bit is not set Found Master Section FLMSTR1: 0x (Host CPU/BIOS) Platform Data Region Write Access: enabled GbE Region Write Access: enabled Intel ME Region Write Access: enabled Host CPU/BIOS Region Write Access: enabled Flash Descriptor Write Access: enabled Platform Data Region Read
FS 2nd gen original iPod 20GB in collector condition
This is a second generation iPod, the first generation with the touch wheel. It’s the larger capacity 20GB model. It’s in “almost like new condition” with no scratches on the front and only some very light scratches near the center of the mirrored back. The firewire port door is intact. It works great and the battery holds a decent charge. If you’re looking to add one of these to your collection, this is probably the cleanest you’ll find that’s actually been used. Just the iPod is included. Asking $150 or best offer, shipped in the USA. -- Hal Widlansky Salt Lake City, UT 84108 -- You received this message because you are a member of the LEM Swap group. To post to this group, send email to lemswap@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send an email *from your subscribed address* to lemswap+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com LEM-Swap is not a discussion list; it is for buying & selling Mac stuff. Reply directly to the person who posted, never to the list. Software piracy is illegal and not allowed on LEM Swap. Except for freeware and software originally provided with computers, no software is to be left on hard drives unless the original installer (not a burned copy) is included, along with any required registration number, password, etc. Shipments valued at US$100 or more should be insured, and shipments valued at US$25 or more should be shipped so they can be tracked. See the list FAQ http://lowendmac.com/2014/lem-swap/ for guidelines on postings, feedback, and dispute resolution. Seller feedback at http://groups.google.com/group/swap-feedback --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "LEM Swap" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lemswap+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/lemswap/8EEA65DF-9191-4252-903C-AD10EBAA703C%40mac.com.
Re: [DNG] Lennart now working for Microsoft
On July 13, 2022 3:31:37 PM CDT, Syeed Ali wrote: :: Microsoft has a great interest in embracing Linux via WSL with the :: intent to obsolete the need to dual boot. With many critical :: distributions and software requiring systemd, it only makes sense to :: make sure that WSL has complete support; indeed better support than on :: Linux. Combined Windows and WSL can thereby be extended nicely in ways :: pure Linux cannot. :: :: ___ :: Dng mailing list :: Dng@lists.dyne.org :: https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng Microsoft has only an interest in not having any competition. from DOS, to Internet Explore vs. Netscape, to SCO Linux. Every few years they try again. this is all just another example. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[time-nuts] Re: GPS failed
Andy Talbot said: > I also heard a case of a GPS antenna going unstable, oscillating and taking > out most of the boats in a marina. The Radio Communications Agency (as our > enforcement body was then, before it became Ofcom) had to be called out to > identify the problem. There was an interesting story about a similar event in GPS World back in Jan 2003 This was from TV antenna amplifiers that were oscillating in/near the GPS band. It/they took out the Moss Landing (Monterey Bay) harbor. The Hunt for RFI http://gpsworld.com/the-hunt-rfi/ Unjamming a Coast Harbor James R. Clynch, Andrew A. Parker, George Badger, Wilbur R. Vincent, Paul McGill, Richard W. Adler -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-le...@lists.febo.com
[PATCH] Add support for SMBIOS type 8 (Port Connector Information)
This patch adds support for SMBIOS type 8 to qemu.
internal_reference: internal reference designator
external_reference: external reference designator
connector_type: hex value for port connector type (see SMBIOS 7.9.2)
port_type: hex value for port type (see SMBIOS 7.9.3)
After studying various vendor implementationsi (Dell, Lenovo, MSI),
the value of internal connector type was hard-coded to 0x0 (None).
Example usage:
-smbios
type=8,internal_reference=JUSB1,external_reference=USB1,connector_type=0x12,port_type=0x10
\
-smbios type=8,internal_reference=JAUD1,external_reference="Audio
Jack",connector_type=0x1f,port_type=0x1d \
-smbios
type=8,internal_reference=LAN,external_reference=Ethernet,connector_type=0x0b,port_type=0x1f
\
-smbios
type=8,internal_reference=PS2,external_reference=Mouse,connector_type=0x0f,port_type=0x0e
\
-smbios
type=8,internal_reference=PS2,external_reference=Keyboard,connector_type=0x0f,port_type=0x0d
Signed-off-by: Hal Martin
---
hw/smbios/smbios.c | 65
include/hw/firmware/smbios.h | 10 ++
2 files changed, 75 insertions(+)
diff --git a/hw/smbios/smbios.c b/hw/smbios/smbios.c
index 60349ee402..11fe75ece0 100644
--- a/hw/smbios/smbios.c
+++ b/hw/smbios/smbios.c
@@ -111,6 +111,13 @@ static struct {
.processor_id = 0,
};
+struct type8_instance {
+const char *internal_reference, *external_reference;
+uint8_t connector_type, port_type;
+QTAILQ_ENTRY(type8_instance) next;
+};
+static QTAILQ_HEAD(, type8_instance) type8 = QTAILQ_HEAD_INITIALIZER(type8);
+
static struct {
size_t nvalues;
char **values;
@@ -136,6 +143,7 @@ static QEnumLookup type41_kind_lookup = {
},
.size = 10
};
+
struct type41_instance {
const char *designation, *pcidev;
uint8_t instance, kind;
@@ -337,6 +345,29 @@ static const QemuOptDesc qemu_smbios_type4_opts[] = {
{ /* end of list */ }
};
+static const QemuOptDesc qemu_smbios_type8_opts[] = {
+{
+.name = "internal_reference",
+.type = QEMU_OPT_STRING,
+.help = "internal reference designator",
+},
+{
+.name = "external_reference",
+.type = QEMU_OPT_STRING,
+.help = "external reference designator",
+},
+{
+.name = "connector_type",
+.type = QEMU_OPT_NUMBER,
+.help = "connector type",
+},
+{
+.name = "port_type",
+.type = QEMU_OPT_NUMBER,
+.help = "port type",
+},
+};
+
static const QemuOptDesc qemu_smbios_type11_opts[] = {
{
.name = "value",
@@ -718,6 +749,27 @@ static void smbios_build_type_4_table(MachineState *ms,
unsigned instance)
smbios_type4_count++;
}
+static void smbios_build_type_8_table(void)
+{
+unsigned instance = 0;
+struct type8_instance *t8;
+
+QTAILQ_FOREACH(t8, , next) {
+
+SMBIOS_BUILD_TABLE_PRE(8, T0_BASE + instance, true);
+
+SMBIOS_TABLE_SET_STR(8, internal_reference_str,
t8->internal_reference);
+SMBIOS_TABLE_SET_STR(8, external_reference_str,
t8->external_reference);
+// most vendors seem to set this to None
+t->internal_connector_type = 0x0;
+t->external_connector_type = t8->connector_type;
+t->port_type = t8->port_type;
+
+SMBIOS_BUILD_TABLE_POST;
+instance++;
+}
+}
+
static void smbios_build_type_11_table(void)
{
char count_str[128];
@@ -1030,6 +1082,7 @@ void smbios_get_tables(MachineState *ms,
smbios_build_type_4_table(ms, i);
}
+smbios_build_type_8_table();
smbios_build_type_11_table();
#define MAX_DIMM_SZ (16 * GiB)
@@ -1346,6 +1399,18 @@ void smbios_entry_add(QemuOpts *opts, Error **errp)
UINT16_MAX);
}
return;
+case 8:
+if (!qemu_opts_validate(opts, qemu_smbios_type8_opts, errp)) {
+return;
+}
+struct type8_instance *t;
+t = g_new0(struct type8_instance, 1);
+save_opt(>internal_reference, opts, "internal_reference");
+save_opt(>external_reference, opts, "external_reference");
+t->connector_type = qemu_opt_get_number(opts, "connector_type", 0);
+t->port_type = qemu_opt_get_number(opts, "port_type", 0);
+QTAILQ_INSERT_TAIL(, t, next);
+return;
case 11:
if (!qemu_opts_validate(opts, qemu_smbios_type11_opts, errp)) {
return;
diff --git a/include/hw/firmware/smbios.h b/include/hw/firmware/smbios.h
index 4b7ad77a44..e7d386f7c8 100644
--- a/include/hw/firmware/smbios.h
+++ b/include/hw/firmware/smbios.h
@@ -189,6 +189,16 @@ struct smbios_type_4 {
uint16_t processor_family2;
} QEMU_PACKED;
+/* SMBIOS type 8
Adafruit Pi GPS HAT -- serial port stuck
Has anybody seen the serial port get stuck? It's software/kernel. I can see the bits with a scope. It works as expected until it runs out of satellites. Then, sometimes it doesn't recover. Restarting ntpd doesn't fix it. Rebooting does. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ devel mailing list devel@ntpsec.org https://lists.ntpsec.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
refid_str meets Facebook's servers
I'm working on #733 -- teaching ntpstats to record info for rejected responses. I have the code working so I'm playing with hack scripts to search for interesting cases. That uncovered an interesting quirk. refid_str is only used by record_raw_stats in ntp_util. It was used by ntpq before it was converted to python. It converts a refid to a string. For stratum 1, the refid is text, like "GPS". That gets converted to ".GPS." The forth slot in the GPS case is 0/NUL Facebook is returning "FB ". It is padding with spaces rather than NULs. So refid_str turns that into ".FB .". I assume the extra dots are quote marks to show the spaces. The down side of that is that Python's string.split turns that into 2 words: ".FB" and ".". Anybody object if I "fix" that by dropping trailing spaces? And then drop the "."s which are just clutter? While I am in there, should I translate all non-printing characters to "?" or something like that? -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ devel mailing list devel@ntpsec.org https://lists.ntpsec.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
[time-nuts] Re: Should a double oven XO be thermally isolated or just draft protected?
Dr. David Kirkby said: > I removed an HP 10811A OCXO from a 5370B time interval counter the other day > and put it into a HP 5352B 40 GHz frequency counter. One thing that really > struck me is that in the 5370B there was a shroud around the OCXO, which is > around 5 mm away from the sides of the OCXO. It's made of aluminium. But > there's nothing like that in the frequency counter. I think the 5370B has a fan so a shroud to keep the air currents away from the OCXO seems like a good idea. Is there a fan in the 5352B? -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-le...@lists.febo.com
[coreboot] Cisco Meraki use coreboot in some MX products and will not provide the source code
Hello, Several Cisco Meraki products (MX84, MX250) are using the coreboot bootloader. Meraki are also distributing coreboot builds for these products via their update mechanism. In October 2021, I requested the corresponding coreboot source code for the MX84 from open-sou...@meraki.com. Another individual requested the coreboot source code for the MX250 around the same time. We own the devices in quesiton. To date, Meraki have not provided the source code or provided an explanation as to the delay in providing the source code. The last reply I received was in January, and they have not replied to any of my follow up requests. As coreboot is GPL licensed software, I wanted to inform the coreboot community that I believe Cisco Meraki are not acting in good faith and are, in my opinion, violating the GPL by not providing the coreboot source code upon request. Kind regards, Hal Martin ___ coreboot mailing list -- coreboot@coreboot.org To unsubscribe send an email to coreboot-le...@coreboot.org
[time-nuts] Re: What's the best HP OCXO for frequency counter reference?
Adrian Godwin said: > If you use the ovened oscillator for temporary use away from the home GPSDO, > how good will the oscillator be with those interruptions to power / > temperature, and will it stabilise during the period you're using it there ? You can solve that with a UPS and/or a gizmo that plugs into a car accessory socket. How much does the mechanical jostling as gear gets moved from bench to car to table effect the frequency? -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-le...@lists.febo.com
FS: 2015 11" MacBook Air 8GB RAM 128GB SSD
Hey swaplisters, I’m selling one of my MacBook Air spares. This is the final version of the 11” MacBook Air that Apple made (2015 model). Specs are: 8GB RAM 1.6gHz Dual-core i5 CPU 128GB flash storage (Apple OEM SSD) Intel HD Graphics 6000 with 1.5GB VRAM, shared with system memory It has the usual complement of ports, USB3, Thunderbolt2, etc. Everything works great. The battery only has 75 charge cycles on it, and still holds an excellent charge. The screen has no scratches or bright spots, and almost no wear on the keyboard. The palmrests and trackpad are similarly like new. The bottom of the case has 1 tiny dent and a couple of surface scratches. The outside of the lid had some larger superficial scratches, but no dings/dents or dented corners. Overall, I’d rate the cosmetic condition about 8/10. It’s super small and light and makes a great travel or student laptop. It has a clean install of MacOS Big Sur installed. It comes with the laptop in a hard shell (translucent gray) case and an Apple Magsafe 2 power supply. Asking $200, shipped in the US -- Hal Widlansky Salt Lake City, UT 84108 -- You received this message because you are a member of the LEM Swap group. To post to this group, send email to lemswap@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send an email *from your subscribed address* to lemswap+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com LEM-Swap is not a discussion list; it is for buying & selling Mac stuff. Reply directly to the person who posted, never to the list. Software piracy is illegal and not allowed on LEM Swap. Except for freeware and software originally provided with computers, no software is to be left on hard drives unless the original installer (not a burned copy) is included, along with any required registration number, password, etc. Shipments valued at US$100 or more should be insured, and shipments valued at US$25 or more should be shipped so they can be tracked. See the list FAQ http://lowendmac.com/2014/lem-swap/ for guidelines on postings, feedback, and dispute resolution. Seller feedback at http://groups.google.com/group/swap-feedback --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "LEM Swap" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lemswap+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/lemswap/33D65384-2810-4865-B3E4-9B9DCF8B3B5B%40mac.com.
FS: 2015 11" MacBook Air 8GB RAM 128GB SSD
This is the final version of the 11” MacBook Air that Apple made (2015 model). Specs are: 8GB RAM 1.6gHz Dual-core i5 CPU 128GB flash storage (Apple OEM SSD) Intel HD Graphics 6000 with 1.5GB VRAM, shared with system memory It has the usual complement of ports, USB3, Thunderbolt2, etc. Everything works great. The battery only has 75 charge cycles on it, and still holds an excellent charge. The screen has no scratches or bright spots, and almost no wear on the keyboard. The palmrests and trackpad are similarly like new. The bottom of the case has 1 tiny dent and a couple of surface scratches. The outside of the lid had some larger superficial scratches, but no dings/dents or dented corners. Overall, I’d rate the cosmetic condition about 8/10. It’s super small and light and makes a great travel or student laptop. It has a clean install of MacOS Big Sur installed. It comes with the laptop in a hard shell (translucent gray) case and an Apple Magsafe 2 power supply. Asking $250, shipped in the US -- Hal Widlansky Salt Lake City, UT 84108 -- You received this message because you are a member of the LEM Swap group. To post to this group, send email to lemswap@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send an email *from your subscribed address* to lemswap+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com LEM-Swap is not a discussion list; it is for buying & selling Mac stuff. Reply directly to the person who posted, never to the list. Software piracy is illegal and not allowed on LEM Swap. Except for freeware and software originally provided with computers, no software is to be left on hard drives unless the original installer (not a burned copy) is included, along with any required registration number, password, etc. Shipments valued at US$100 or more should be insured, and shipments valued at US$25 or more should be shipped so they can be tracked. See the list FAQ http://lowendmac.com/2014/lem-swap/ for guidelines on postings, feedback, and dispute resolution. Seller feedback at http://groups.google.com/group/swap-feedback --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "LEM Swap" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lemswap+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/lemswap/B0AB3CE7-03F7-4223-803E-0025861C6630%40mac.com.
FS: 1TB Apple.Samsung OEM SSD for Macbook Pro 2013-2015
This is an original Apple/Samsung 1TB SSD PCIE blade module, pulled from a 2015 15” MacBook Pro. It works great, is very fast, and has been tested and reformatted. It should work in any 2013-2015 MacBook Pro model, as well as other Macs that use the same form factor. Asking $150 shipped in the US. -- Hal Widlansky Salt Lake City, UT 84108 -- You received this message because you are a member of the LEM Swap group. To post to this group, send email to lemswap@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send an email *from your subscribed address* to lemswap+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com LEM-Swap is not a discussion list; it is for buying & selling Mac stuff. Reply directly to the person who posted, never to the list. Software piracy is illegal and not allowed on LEM Swap. Except for freeware and software originally provided with computers, no software is to be left on hard drives unless the original installer (not a burned copy) is included, along with any required registration number, password, etc. Shipments valued at US$100 or more should be insured, and shipments valued at US$25 or more should be shipped so they can be tracked. See the list FAQ http://lowendmac.com/2014/lem-swap/ for guidelines on postings, feedback, and dispute resolution. Seller feedback at http://groups.google.com/group/swap-feedback --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "LEM Swap" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lemswap+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/lemswap/FC9523F5-AEAE-43CC-B641-9B870E9ABA06%40mac.com.
Re: 2012 Mac Mini 2.3GHz i7, Magsafe adapters
Hey there. Are these Minis still available? If so, could you install the 128GB and the 1TB drive both? I think those hold 2 drives, right? I’d want to set them up as a fusion drive. :-) Thanks, -Hal > On Jun 10, 2022, at 9:04 AM, Josh Calvetti wrote: > > I have two of these Mac Minis available. Both are identical models from 2012 > with the quad core i7 at 2.3Ghz. Great little home server! These are both > running 10.9.5 at present, zeroed out to an empty admin account. 8GB of RAM, > 1TB HDD- I'd be happy to install a 128GB SSD instead, if you'd prefer. I > don't have anything larger, unfortunately. > > Looking for $150 shipped, or if you want both I'll do $250. I don't have the > official white power cables any more, unfortunately. > > I also have (4) 85W Magsafe 1 adapters with the extension cable. Three have > the L-shaped connector, one has the white T connector. All are in good shape > with no fraying. > > $20 shipped for each, or I'll send you the lot for $60. > > Josh Calvetti > Pittsburgh, PA 15216 > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of the LEM Swap group. > To post to this group, send email to lemswap@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe, send an email *from your subscribed address* to > lemswap+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > LEM-Swap is not a discussion list; it is for buying & selling Mac stuff. > Reply directly to the person who posted, never to the list. > Software piracy is illegal and not allowed on LEM Swap. Except for freeware > and software originally provided with computers, no software is to be left on > hard drives unless the original installer (not a burned copy) is included, > along with any required registration number, password, etc. > Shipments valued at US$100 or more should be insured, and shipments valued at > US$25 or more should be shipped so they can be tracked. > See the list FAQ http://lowendmac.com/2014/lem-swap/ > <http://lowendmac.com/2014/lem-swap/> > for guidelines on postings, feedback, and dispute resolution. Seller feedback > at http://groups.google.com/group/swap-feedback > <http://groups.google.com/group/swap-feedback> > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "LEM Swap" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lemswap+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:lemswap+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/lemswap/f777b51e-b8a0-47e6-81d4-15655955a8dcn%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/lemswap/f777b51e-b8a0-47e6-81d4-15655955a8dcn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are a member of the LEM Swap group. To post to this group, send email to lemswap@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send an email *from your subscribed address* to lemswap+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com LEM-Swap is not a discussion list; it is for buying & selling Mac stuff. Reply directly to the person who posted, never to the list. Software piracy is illegal and not allowed on LEM Swap. Except for freeware and software originally provided with computers, no software is to be left on hard drives unless the original installer (not a burned copy) is included, along with any required registration number, password, etc. Shipments valued at US$100 or more should be insured, and shipments valued at US$25 or more should be shipped so they can be tracked. See the list FAQ http://lowendmac.com/2014/lem-swap/ for guidelines on postings, feedback, and dispute resolution. Seller feedback at http://groups.google.com/group/swap-feedback --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "LEM Swap" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lemswap+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/lemswap/B0A1092E-79C0-44A1-BB48-078342766F55%40mac.com.
[time-nuts] Re: Turning off display on HP 58503 A or B
Lon, K5JV said: > Comments from anyone who has actually seen inside one of these ovens would be > appreciated. http://www.realhamradio.com/GPS-oven-journey.htm -- For lots of info on the Z3801A start here: http://www.realhamradio.com/GPS_Frequency_Standard.htm (Time sink warning.) -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-le...@lists.febo.com
FS: 2015 11" MacBook Air 8GB RAM 128GB SSD
This is the last version of the 11” MacBook Air (2015 model), and has the following specs: 8GB RAM 1.6gHz Dual-core i5 CPU 128GB flash storage (Apple OEM SSD) Intel HD Graphics 6000 with 1.5GB VRAM, shared with system memory It has the usual complement of ports, USB3, Thunderbolt2, etc. Everything works great. The battery has 70 charge cycles on it, and still holds an excellent charge. The screen has no scratches or bright spots, and almost no wear on the keyboard. The palmrests and trackpad are similarly like new. The bottom of the case has 1 tiny dent and a couple of surface scratches. The outside of the lid had some larger superficial scratches, but no dings/dents or dented corners. Overall, I’d rate the cosmetic condition about 8/10. It’s super small and light and makes a great travel or student laptop. It has a clean install of MacOS Big Sur installed. It comes with the laptop in a hard shell (translucent gray) case. No AC adapter is included. Asking $275, shipped in the US — Hal Widlansky Salt Lake City, UT 84108 -- You received this message because you are a member of the LEM Swap group. To post to this group, send email to lemswap@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send an email *from your subscribed address* to lemswap+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com LEM-Swap is not a discussion list; it is for buying & selling Mac stuff. Reply directly to the person who posted, never to the list. Software piracy is illegal and not allowed on LEM Swap. Except for freeware and software originally provided with computers, no software is to be left on hard drives unless the original installer (not a burned copy) is included, along with any required registration number, password, etc. Shipments valued at US$100 or more should be insured, and shipments valued at US$25 or more should be shipped so they can be tracked. See the list FAQ http://lowendmac.com/2014/lem-swap/ for guidelines on postings, feedback, and dispute resolution. Seller feedback at http://groups.google.com/group/swap-feedback --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "LEM Swap" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lemswap+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/lemswap/4F893E32-C8ED-4305-A3CA-4FBED6FD49DE%40mac.com.
[time-nuts] Re: Ublox M6T -M8T
Matthias Welwarsky said: > Only frequencies that are even multiples of the internal crystal frequency > (48MHz) are "clean". Everything else is, as Bob puts it, "drop a pulse, add a > pulse" approximations. However, that's normally easy to filter. How clean? It's a GPS, not a GPSDO, so I'd expect the 48 MHz is free running rather than locked to GPS time. Take the PPS case. There will be adds/drops going on to correct for the frequency error in the 48 MHz crystal. The pattern will change as the frequency changes with temperature or whatever. That's how you get hanging bridges. :) Assume it is off by roughly 1 PPM. That's well within specs for a crystal. I just want a number for the back of an envelope. For 10KHz, 1 PPM is an add/drop every 100 cycles. I'll bet you can catch that on a scope running in persistance mode. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-le...@lists.febo.com
FS: Space Gray 2019 13" MacBook Pro - Quad 2.8ghz i7 16GB RAM 1TB SSD
This is the “top spec” CTO Space Gray 2019 MacBook Pro 13” (Touchbar, Touch-ID, 4 Thunderbolt 3 ports) Specs are: 2.8gHz Quad-core i7 CPU 16GB RAM 1TB SSD Intel Iris Plus Graphics 655 Four Thunderbolt 3 ports Retina Display with True Tone technology Updated/revised keyboard mechanism Works perfectly and only has 65 charge cycles on the battery. It never really left my desk, where it was plugged into a Thunderbolt display and wireless keyboard/mouse. Here’s a link to the full specs: https://everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook_pro/specs/macbook-pro-core-i7-2.8-quad-core-13-mid-2019-touch-bar-specs.html <https://everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook_pro/specs/macbook-pro-core-i7-2.8-quad-core-13-mid-2019-touch-bar-specs.html> It’s been in a hard shell case and had a palmrest protector on it since new, so it’s easily a 9.5/10. Display is perfect. No visible wear on the keyboard, case, etc. No dings/dents/scratches that I can see. Ships with the hard case, the original box, AC adapter and USB-C/power cable. Box is a little beat up, but the laptop is perfect. Asking $949 or best reasonable offer. -- Hal Widlansky Salt Lake City, UT 84108 -- You received this message because you are a member of the LEM Swap group. To post to this group, send email to lemswap@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send an email *from your subscribed address* to lemswap+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com LEM-Swap is not a discussion list; it is for buying & selling Mac stuff. Reply directly to the person who posted, never to the list. Software piracy is illegal and not allowed on LEM Swap. Except for freeware and software originally provided with computers, no software is to be left on hard drives unless the original installer (not a burned copy) is included, along with any required registration number, password, etc. Shipments valued at US$100 or more should be insured, and shipments valued at US$25 or more should be shipped so they can be tracked. See the list FAQ http://lowendmac.com/2014/lem-swap/ for guidelines on postings, feedback, and dispute resolution. Seller feedback at http://groups.google.com/group/swap-feedback --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "LEM Swap" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lemswap+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/lemswap/60E2981A-5780-40D7-81A1-EF094205DFE7%40mac.com.
[time-nuts] Re: Suggestions solicited for Pi/GPSDO ntp server
> I think it's about time to retire my old former cell site GPSDO. > Technology has improved and I'm thinking of setting up a Raspberry Pi based > ntp server for the local devices. (I also have some spare Pi's, so...) > Does anyone have any suggestions for a good solid Pi/GPSDO setup and code for > such a purpose? Something like Leo's device but, of course, much cheaper? How nutty of a NTP server do you want? How much of a Linux hacker are you? Do you need a detailed step-by-step guide or are rough hints good enough? There are several varieties of GPS HAT available. Ballpark $50. I think most of them come with good setup directions. There are several/many web pages describing how to set things up. This is the classic. The Raspberry Pi as a Stratum-1 NTP Server https://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/Raspberry-Pi-NTP.html Google for >Raspberry Pi GPS NTP setup< will find many others. - That's GPS, no DO. If you have a GPSDO that you like you will have to convert to 3V logic and wire it up: RX, TX, PPS. -- Pis up to 3 have their Ethernet connected over USB so there is 125 microseconds of fuzz on the timing. You would have to put your time-nut hat on to notice that. The Ethernet on the Pi 4 has a direct connection. The Pi 3 and Pi 4 come with BlueTooth on the serial port. You have to disable that or setup another serial port. You can use either chrony or ntpsec. You can use GPSD, or go direct with most GPS devices. Pi IO pins are 3V only. Linux changes. Some of the setup descriptions may be old enough to be out of date. There are also minor differences between distros. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-le...@lists.febo.com
Authentication in ntpq
Some commands in ntpq require authentication. I just tried it, and it wants an MD5 password. MD5 is way old. Is there a way to switch to AES? -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ devel mailing list devel@ntpsec.org https://lists.ntpsec.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [DNG] Microsoft azure and devuan
On May 20, 2022 1:50:54 PM CDT, Steve Litt wrote: ::* * :: \ o / :: \|/ :: | Y O U R O C K ! :: / \ _ :: / \/ ::/ :: - :: :: Tell me what Free Software looks like: :: :: THIS is what Free Software looks like! :: :: Nice move, Peter! :: I'll second that! Great story to boot. Really grateful for everyone's efforts here to keep Linux going! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: ntpsec | solve #714, #737 by removing ill-conceived test. (!1270)
> Not yet in the delvel emailarchives: What distro is broken by this? I've only seen it on FreeBSD. It's in the development branch and will be in 13.1 which will be released in a few days. It's in clang. Unless FreeBSD has broken their copy, it will appear in other distros as things get updated. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ devel mailing list devel@ntpsec.org https://lists.ntpsec.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: ntpsec | solve #714, #737 by removing ill-conceived test. (!1270)
Gary said: > I'm OK with commenting it out, just the two lines, until we figure out what > clang is doing. But I'd rather figure it out... I agree that we should figure it out, but we should get the release out first. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ devel mailing list devel@ntpsec.org https://lists.ntpsec.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: ntpsec | solve #714, #737 by removing ill-conceived test. (!1270)
I'm cc-ing devel so this doesn't get lost on gitlab. Let's move the discussion real email.. > include/ntp_fp.h:58 defines l_fp as a uint64_4, I can find no current > contrary definitions. We need to make a cleanup pass in this area. On the wire, it's unsigned. As soon as the code gets 2 of them, it does a subtract so we need a signed version. We need to check for underflow on the initial subtract. There is also u_fp, a 32 bit version. The comment says there is a s_fp, but I can't find it. --- I think we should comment out this test until we get the release out. Please include references to both issues and this message/thread. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ devel mailing list devel@ntpsec.org https://lists.ntpsec.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
FS: 2014 13" MacBook AIr i7 8GB RAM 512GB SSD
This is the CTO model of the 13” MacBook Air from 2014. It was maxxed out to the highest specs for that model: 13” Display 1.7gHz i7 dual-core CPU 8GB RAM 512GB SSD All of the usual features (bluetooth, wifi, thunderbolt port, 2 USB 3 ports, etc) Full details on this model are: https://everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook-air/specs/macbook-air-core-i7-1.7-13-early-2014-specs.html <https://everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook-air/specs/macbook-air-core-i7-1.7-13-early-2014-specs.html> Functionally perfect, quite fast, it's running a clean install of OSX Big Sur. Cosmetically it’s a 9/10, only showing shiny spots on some of the keys, no other real wear. No dings/dents/big scratches, etc. It was kept in a case, so the outside surfaces look brand new. Screen looks great, no bright/dark spots. Battery has about 350 cycles on it, and holds a great charge. Ships with the MacBook Air and the original Apple AC adapter and extension cord. Asking $400 shipped in the US. -- Hal Widlansky Salt Lake City, UT 84108 -- You received this message because you are a member of the LEM Swap group. To post to this group, send email to lemswap@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send an email *from your subscribed address* to lemswap+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com LEM-Swap is not a discussion list; it is for buying & selling Mac stuff. Reply directly to the person who posted, never to the list. Software piracy is illegal and not allowed on LEM Swap. Except for freeware and software originally provided with computers, no software is to be left on hard drives unless the original installer (not a burned copy) is included, along with any required registration number, password, etc. Shipments valued at US$100 or more should be insured, and shipments valued at US$25 or more should be shipped so they can be tracked. See the list FAQ http://lowendmac.com/2014/lem-swap/ for guidelines on postings, feedback, and dispute resolution. Seller feedback at http://groups.google.com/group/swap-feedback --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "LEM Swap" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lemswap+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/lemswap/9F5C5AEC-BCBB-4F41-8D93-CCBBCCEDB54E%40mac.com.
REDUCED: Space Gray 2019 13" MacBook Pro with 2.8ghz i7 16GB RAM 1TB SSD
This is the “top spec” CTO Space Gray 2019 MacBook Pro 13” (Touchbar, Touch-ID, 4 Thunderbolt 3 ports) Specs are: 2.8gHz quad-core i7 CPU 16GB RAM 1TB SSD Intel Iris Plus Graphics 655 Retina Display with True Tone technology Updated/revised butterfly keyboard mechanism Works perfectly and only has 65 charge cycles on the battery. It never really left my desk, where it was plugged into a Thunderbolt display and wireless keyboard/mouse. Here’s a link to the full specs: https://everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook_pro/specs/macbook-pro-core-i7-2.8-quad-core-13-mid-2019-touch-bar-specs.html <https://everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook_pro/specs/macbook-pro-core-i7-2.8-quad-core-13-mid-2019-touch-bar-specs.html> It’s been in a hard shell case and had a palmrest protector on it since new, so it’s easily a 9.5/10. Display is perfect. No visible wear on the keyboard, case, etc. No dings/dents/scratches that I can see. Ships with the hard case, the original box, AC adapter and USB-C/power cable. Box is a little beat up, but the laptop is perfect. Asking $999 shipped in the US. -- Hal Widlansky Salt Lake City, UT 84108 -- You received this message because you are a member of the LEM Swap group. To post to this group, send email to lemswap@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send an email *from your subscribed address* to lemswap+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com LEM-Swap is not a discussion list; it is for buying & selling Mac stuff. Reply directly to the person who posted, never to the list. Software piracy is illegal and not allowed on LEM Swap. Except for freeware and software originally provided with computers, no software is to be left on hard drives unless the original installer (not a burned copy) is included, along with any required registration number, password, etc. Shipments valued at US$100 or more should be insured, and shipments valued at US$25 or more should be shipped so they can be tracked. See the list FAQ http://lowendmac.com/2014/lem-swap/ for guidelines on postings, feedback, and dispute resolution. Seller feedback at http://groups.google.com/group/swap-feedback --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "LEM Swap" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lemswap+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/lemswap/FB8AE707-02B3-44CC-A573-3DBCFBCA281F%40mac.com.
Re: Raspberry Pi startup: certificate is not yet valid
Thanks. > I like you suggestion of ntpd using "-g" to get the system time close, before > checking any certificates. It was Richard's suggestion, not mine. The idea was to only skip the date checks and do the rest of the certificate checking. I don't like it for 2 reasons. The main reason is that it's a hole in securty. I don't want to clutter up security discussions and documentation with that very unlikely case. The second reason is that OpenSSL isn't setup to skip only the date check. We could easily implement your version of no-check, but that would make the tiny security hole a big hole. -- I think the alternative is to get the clock reasonably close before running ntpd. PCs with RTC/CMOS/TOY clocks are simple. We will have to document potential troubles wtih dead batteries. The problem is with Raspberry Pis and similar low-end systems that don't have a hardware clock. As far as I can tell, each distro does it differently. So we will have to document what to do on each distro. > The problem I see a lot is that a lot of Pi's are started with no network > connection, and a bad time, so swclock is commonly used before starting ntpd. What is swclock? What distros does it run on? I think the Linux kernel sets the clock to the build time or something similar. Debian/Ubuntu have fake-hwclock. It updates the time in a file on halt and every hour so you have decent restart time on boot after a crash. It's "just" a shell script so it should be easy to copy to other distros. I haven't found anything for Fedora. I haven't looked for FreeBSD or NetBSD. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ devel mailing list devel@ntpsec.org https://lists.ntpsec.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Raspberry Pi startup: certificate is not yet valid
Gary said: >> Should we do something like set the time to the time stamp of the >> drift file? (if it is significantly newer than the current time) > Nope. Don't get in a fight with the OS. Could you please say more. The whole purpose of ntpsec is to keep good time. If we know the clock is way off, what's wrong with taking a big step to get a lot closer so certificate checking has a better chance of working? -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ devel mailing list devel@ntpsec.org https://lists.ntpsec.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Raspberry Pi startup: certificate is not yet valid
Richard Laager said: > I believe you're looking for "fake-hwclock". It periodically saves the time > to a file (allegedly* /etc/fake-hwclock.data) and restores it on boot. Thanks. I discovered fake-hwclock via Google but it wasn't on my system and the discussion I was looking at was very old so I assumed it had been replaced or something. Looks like Ubuntu just didn't include it in their img file that I used. I installed it and things are happy. I think this is a good-enough solution. Basically, we have to document that the clock has to be close-enough and what close-enough means. Cold-stanbys sitting on the shelf for many years won't work. PCs with dead CMOS/TOY clock battries won't work. (Let's Encrypt certificates are only valid for 90 days.) IoT devices on a store shelf for a few months might not work. Working Raspberry PIs that sit on the shelf for long enough may not work. You can fix the stanby/store shelf problem by carefully setting up certificates with a long lifetime. -- > I still think we need a more comprehensive approach to this bootstrapping > problem. The problem is, I don't have the time to write it. But I gave my > thoughts before: https://lists.ntpsec.org/pipermail/devel/2019-February/ > 007576.html That looks reasonable, but complicated. I'm not planning to work on anything like that. -- >> That could backfire if, somehow, the system time got set into the future. >I had that happen once. It might have been due to a GPS rollover. GPS rollover seems more likely to go the other way -- that is step back by 20 years. It would go forwards if it was broken, you used fudge to fix it, and then the software got fixed and you installed the new software without removing the fudge. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ devel mailing list devel@ntpsec.org https://lists.ntpsec.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Raspberry Pi startup: certificate is not yet valid
Does anybody know how the initial time gets set on a Raspberry Pi -- before ntpd gets called? I have a recently setup system that gets initialized to 2022-04-01 and is trying to use a certificate that was created after that. :) Should we do something like set the time to the time stamp of the drift file? (if it is significantly newer than the current time) That could backfire if, somehow, the system time got set into the future. A variation on this would be a system sitting on a shelf for a long time. Do we have a document that collects interesting things about NTS and certificates? -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ devel mailing list devel@ntpsec.org https://lists.ntpsec.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
FS: Space Gray 2019 13" MacBook Pro with 2.8ghz i7 16GB RAM 1TB SSD
This is a “top spec” CTO Space Gray 2019 MacBook Pro 13” (Touchbar, Touch-ID, 4 Thunderbolt 3 ports) Specs are: 2.8gHz quad-core i7 CPU 16GB RAM 1TB SSD Intel Iris Plus Graphics 655 Retina Display with True Tone technology Updated/revised butterfly keyboard mechanism Works perfectly and only has 65 charge cycles on the battery. It never really left my desk, where it was plugged into a Thunderbolt display and wireless keyboard/mouse. Here’s a link to the full specs: https://everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook_pro/specs/macbook-pro-core-i7-2.8-quad-core-13-mid-2019-touch-bar-specs.html <https://everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook_pro/specs/macbook-pro-core-i7-2.8-quad-core-13-mid-2019-touch-bar-specs.html> It’s been in a hard shell case and had a palmrest protector on it since new, so it’s easily a 9.5/10. Display is perfect. No visible wear on the keyboard, case, etc. No dings/dents/scratches that I can see. Ships with the hard case, the original box, AC adapter and USB-C/power cable. Box is a little beat up, but the laptop is perfect. Asking $1100 shipped in the US. -- Hal Widlansky Salt Lake City, UT 84108 -- You received this message because you are a member of the LEM Swap group. To post to this group, send email to lemswap@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send an email *from your subscribed address* to lemswap+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com LEM-Swap is not a discussion list; it is for buying & selling Mac stuff. Reply directly to the person who posted, never to the list. Software piracy is illegal and not allowed on LEM Swap. Except for freeware and software originally provided with computers, no software is to be left on hard drives unless the original installer (not a burned copy) is included, along with any required registration number, password, etc. Shipments valued at US$100 or more should be insured, and shipments valued at US$25 or more should be shipped so they can be tracked. See the list FAQ http://lowendmac.com/2014/lem-swap/ for guidelines on postings, feedback, and dispute resolution. Seller feedback at http://groups.google.com/group/swap-feedback --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "LEM Swap" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lemswap+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/lemswap/57399078-865A-48F2-9912-D478EB115342%40mac.com.
[time-nuts] Re: Simple simulation model for an OCXO?
att...@kinali.ch said: > FFT based systems take a white, normal distributed noise source, Fourier > transform it, filter it in frequency domain and transform it back. Runtime is > dominated by the FFT and thus O(n*log(n)). There was a nice paper by either > Barnes or Greenhall (or both?) on this, which I seem currently unable to > find. This is also the method employed by the bruiteur tool from sigma-theta. > Biggest disadvantage of this method is, that it operates on the whole sample > length multiple times. I.e it becomes slow very quickly, especially when the > whole sample length is larger than main memory. But they deliver exact > results with exactly the spectrum / time-correlation you want. What sort of times and memory are interesting? You can rent a cloud server with a few hundred gigabytes of memory for a few $/hour. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com -- To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-le...@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to and follow the instructions there.
Knob: certificates for NTS-KE vs web
I think I've figured out why I think my knob is interesting. For the web, there are zillions of clients, most non-technical. A client is likely to connect to many servers, often new/different ones on different days. It all has to just work, straight out of the box. For NTS-KE, an at least somewhat technical admin sets things up. A client will only ever contact the few servers that are explicitly configured by the admin. The S in NTS-KE is security. It seems reasonable to me for the admin setting things up, or at least some of them, to be willing to spend a bit of time making things more secure. My knob is a tiny step in that direction. I think we need a man/web page to cover this area. What can an admin do to make things more secure? I'm far from a security wizard. The biggest risk that I can see is the root server collection that comes packaged with most distros. We should be able to write a script that figures out what cert in the root collection each server needs. I've poked a bit in that area, but don't have a recpie yet - Note that NTS doesn't tell you anything about the quality of the time you will get, just that you will get it (probably) from the site you expect to get it from rather than from a bad guy doing some sort of MITM attack. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ devel mailing list devel@ntpsec.org https://lists.ntpsec.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Release, wildcards, etc
[Mail to devel has about a 10 hour delay.] Sorry for not providing more context on my first try. > "nts nowildcards" changes the default from wildcards allowed to not allowed. > server blah, blah "nowildcards" turns off wildcards for this slot > server blah, blah "wildcardsOK" allows wildcards for this slot > wildcardsOK has priority over either/both nowildcards The context was testing my knob patch. I said there were only 8 cases to test. That's from 8 combinations of 3 flags. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ devel mailing list devel@ntpsec.org https://lists.ntpsec.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Release, wildcards, etc
> Sorry, I'm not following what you mean here. Do you have a patch or merge > request that I can look at? I should be able to explain it. In the config file: "nts nowildcards" changes the default from wildcards allowed to not allowed. server blah, blah "nowildcards" turns off wildcards for this slot server blah, blah "wildcardsOK" allows wildcards for this slot wildcardsOK has priority over either/both nowildcards If that doesn't work, I'll send a patch. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ devel mailing list devel@ntpsec.org https://lists.ntpsec.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [mailop] WTaF? I just got spammed BY Active Campaign
> so I typically wouldn't even wax poetic about it here on Mailop, I think ESPs and ISPs should know better and be setting a good example. Publicity here may encourage others not to do the same thing. How did a guy like that get past HR? If you were running HR, could you filter out people like that? How many places will post this thread above the water cooler? -- Who was the ISP that spammed every email address they could find in their mail logs? including people who were only in there because they had reported spam. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
Re: getting answers from DNS queries
That's fair. I can see queries come into my DNS server, but I can't find answers to thoughts queries. I have an RPZ zone and I get a log file that says PASSTHROUGH or NXDOMAIN. That tells me that the request was served or denied. I want something that will tell me the answer to each query. I have my server set to denied requests for recursion. So I know those will be denied, I want that for every query. I compile each new release and use that for production. Is there something I can set at compile-time? Perhaps I add an option to the logging statement? I kinda lost my google-fu on this one and I really am thankful to y'all for any help that you might have. -- Hal King - h...@utk.edu Systems Administrator Office of Information Technology Shared Services The University of Tennessee 103c5 Kingston Pike Building 2309 Kingston Pk. Knoxville, TN 37996 Phone: 974-1599 [cid:f96c691b-14fb-43c3-81bb-27c0801dd170] From: Ondřej Surý Sent: Monday, April 25, 2022 10:37 AM To: King, Harold Clyde (Hal) Cc: bind-users Subject: Re: getting answers from DNS queries > I asked this last week, but I didn't an answer. Probably because I still don’t know what you mean. You need to better articulate your problem and your question. Ondrej -- Ondřej Surý (He/Him) ond...@isc.org My working hours and your working hours may be different. Please do not feel obligated to reply outside your normal working hours. > On 25. 4. 2022, at 16:11, King, Harold Clyde (Hal) via bind-users > wrote: > > I asked this last week, but I didn't an answer. Who can I tell if a DNS query > is refused or answered? Is it in the log files? Can a compile-time option > help me access it? Sorry to repeat but I really need to know this. > > Thank in advance. > > > -- > > Hal King - h...@utk.edu > Systems Administrator > Office of Information Technology > Shared Services > > The University of Tennessee > 103c5 Kingston Pike Building > 2309 Kingston Pk. Knoxville, TN 37996 > Phone: 974-1599 > > -- > Visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to unsubscribe from > this list > > ISC funds the development of this software with paid support subscriptions. > Contact us at https://www.isc.org/contact/ for more information. > > > bind-users mailing list > bind-users@lists.isc.org > https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users -- Visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to unsubscribe from this list ISC funds the development of this software with paid support subscriptions. Contact us at https://www.isc.org/contact/ for more information. bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users
getting answers from DNS queries
I asked this last week, but I didn't an answer. Who can I tell if a DNS query is refused or answered? Is it in the log files? Can a compile-time option help me access it? Sorry to repeat but I really need to know this. Thank in advance. -- Hal King - h...@utk.edu Systems Administrator Office of Information Technology Shared Services The University of Tennessee 103c5 Kingston Pike Building 2309 Kingston Pk. Knoxville, TN 37996 Phone: 974-1599 [cid:00350bec-9764-4740-8d61-e8bec49334bc] -- Visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to unsubscribe from this list ISC funds the development of this software with paid support subscriptions. Contact us at https://www.isc.org/contact/ for more information. bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users
Big picture half-baked thoughts
What's the right way to think about how security fits into our priorities? How should we use that to prioritize our work? Should we split this discussion into NTP and TLS/KE? Eric wants to convert our current code base to Go. In terms of security, how does that compare with getting our code running on Windows? How do we think about that sort of trade off? There is another feature we need. The current code wakes up every second. That's evil if you want to save battery power. How important are laptops? Our code doesn't do OCSP. How important is that? Alternatives? [One example I looked at cached the answer for a week. How does that fit into security?] One of the attack modes with TLS is that one of the CAs on a distro's root cert list gets compromised, either due to company incompetence or state level arm twisting. How important is it to restrict the root CAs? Do we need features/code on the NTP package for that? [We have a ca option on the server command. I think we need a script to tell somebody which root CA a site is using.] -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ devel mailing list devel@ntpsec.org https://lists.ntpsec.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Getting ready for a release, wildcards
Thanks again for your helpful comments. On the cert documentation ... What is our target audience? Admins who already know about certificates or newbies who are getting a certificate for the first time? (This was my first.) Is there a certificates-for-newbies document we can reference? If not, should we write one? On my knobs... What is our role in this corner of the security world? Should we explore the edges where convenient, or blindly follow what everybody else is doing? Is there a document discussing the big picture security of TLS? I'm looking for something that describes what "everybody else" is doing and the risks of various options, things to think about, ... --- Thanks for the wildcard link: https://gist.github.com/joepie91/7e5cad8c0726fd6a5e90360a754fc568 Should we add that to our documentation? Where? I like your "science fair project" tag. Science fairs can be educational. What is the tradeoff between clutter and education? How should we decide? -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ devel mailing list devel@ntpsec.org https://lists.ntpsec.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Release, wildcards, etc
Richard Laager said: > 8 cases? I thought it was one setting, which would be 2 cases. > Can you expand upon what you're actually proposing? Ideally as a merge > request, but at least explain the knobs here. nts nowildcards at the top level to set the default nowildcards at the server level wildcardsOK at the server level to override the default -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ devel mailing list devel@ntpsec.org https://lists.ntpsec.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Getting ready for a release, wildcards
> +1 to NOT making this a knob. Would you please say more. It would be invisible unless you go looking for it. Are you against unnecessary knobs in general? If I had pushed this code a month or 3 ago when we weren't discussing a release or wildcards, would you have spoken up against it? I wonder how many unnecessary features there are in the current code base. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ devel mailing list devel@ntpsec.org https://lists.ntpsec.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Release, wildcards, etc
[Eric: There are a couple of preceding messages to devel in the mail someplace.] > I'd like to get https://gitlab.com/NTPsec/ntpsec/-/merge_requests/1264 merged > and then do the release. > Is there anything else that we want in the release? I'm sorry that we have gotten off on the wrong foot (feet?). I'll try to review and maybe fill in a few blanks. It's time for a release in general. Fixing the wildcard bug is a good excuse to do it now. There is no rush or deadline. You are putting me in an awkward position by asking me to approve your patch when I want to do something else. I think your fix will do what you want. I haven't actually tested it. You have a simple fix for the wildcards. I have a more complicated one, with knobs that you don't like. If it wasn't for tangling with your fix, I would have just pushed this code. I'm not sure why you don't like my knobs. Several possibilities: 1) more code to test. There are 8 cases. I think I tested them all. If it will make you happy, I'll test again, being careful to check all 8 cases. 2) it's useless clutter I'd like to experiment with it. Other than general clutter, I can't think of any reason not to include my knobs. 3) you want to get the release out soon and don't want to think about knobs. As far as I know, there is no rush on the release. I'll help more with testing if my knobs are in. 4) others? I can't think of anything else that needs to go into this release. I have some code that adds another line to the (already noisy) client side logging for the KE exchange to display the SAN:DNS list from the certificate. I think it should go in, but I'll wait until after the release if you prefer. We should scan the issues and merge requests. (James has several that we have all been negligent about approving or providing feedback.) -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ devel mailing list devel@ntpsec.org https://lists.ntpsec.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Getting ready for a release, wildcards
Richard Laager said: > Sure, that's all true. But, I'm not sure why you felt the need to mention > this. That is how everything works. In general, it's not even guaranteed > that a TLS-speaking daemon knows its own (external) hostname. It obviously > can't know what is in the client's trust store. Somebody complained about being able to load a certificate with a wildcard that the same code wouldn't accept as a client. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ devel mailing list devel@ntpsec.org https://lists.ntpsec.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Getting ready for a release, wildcards
> I would rather not add knobs unless someone asks for this to be a knob. Nobody outside is ever going to ask for this knob. It's a grubby detail. Only geeks know that the concept exists. I want this knob so I/we can experiment. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ devel mailing list devel@ntpsec.org https://lists.ntpsec.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Getting ready for a release, wildcards
[The mail system is in sloth mode again.] matthew.sel...@twosigma.com said: > I don't think we should have a knob for disabling wildcards. This is not the > sort of knob that operators expect (what other software provides such a > knob?) and we're just adding another code path to test. I'll be interested in other opinions. Just because nobody else does it doesn't mean it's a bad idea. Somebody has to go first. If it's extra code on our end, think of all the code in OpenSSL that we don't exercise if we don't allow wildcards. I have running code. The default is to allow wildcards so nobody will get surprised. I can push later today. If you want to go the merge request route, somebody will have to give me a lesson. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ devel mailing list devel@ntpsec.org https://lists.ntpsec.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How can I tell if a quiry is answered or denied
That's not in my version of bind-9.16.23. Thanks anyway! -- Hal King - h...@utk.edu Systems Administrator Office of Information Technology Shared Services The University of Tennessee 103c5 Kingston Pike Building 2309 Kingston Pk. Knoxville, TN 37996 Phone: 974-1599 [cid:d0cf86b5-1da2-47ba-9a66-0e3522260ce4] From: Jeff Sumner Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2022 4:25 PM To: King, Harold Clyde (Hal) ; bind-users Subject: Re: How can I tell if a quiry is answered or denied You don't often get email from kc4...@gmail.com. Learn why this is important<http://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification> *** You can turn on answer logging: rndc answerlog Apologies- I believe the above is likely specific to EIP DNS builds. J -- Visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to unsubscribe from this list ISC funds the development of this software with paid support subscriptions. Contact us at https://www.isc.org/contact/ for more information. bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users
How can I tell if a quiry is answered or denied
I'm trying to find bad actors stretching out my load on my main DNS server I can't tell from the query log if a host is denied an answer, or given an answer. Also, can I get the answer in my logs? I got one great answer today, maybe I'm pushing my luck, but I do feel lucky. -- Hal King - h...@utk.edu Systems Administrator Office of Information Technology Shared Services The University of Tennessee 103c5 Kingston Pike Building 2309 Kingston Pk. Knoxville, TN 37996 Phone: 974-1599 [cid:fe5c07f5-ef0a-4dd8-a8d0-f22481933b6b] -- Visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to unsubscribe from this list ISC funds the development of this software with paid support subscriptions. Contact us at https://www.isc.org/contact/ for more information. bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users
Getting ready for a release, wildcards
I just pushed 2 tweaks. One is to update the nts cert documentation to say that it doesn't do any checking on the certificate. The other is a hack patch to aes_siv.c to supress deprecated warnings from OpenSSL 3. Is anybody (else) using OpenSSL 3? It's trivial on FreeBSD. Just install openssl-devel-3.0.2 (3.0.3 will be out soon) For others, HOWTO-OpenSSL should be enough. If not, please fix it, or tell me where you got it trouble or ... -- I think I understand the wildcard tangle. They are generally considered OK. My plan is to fixup the code so that the default is to accept wildcards but it's easy to turn them off. Details TBD. Can anybody think of any other optional features that would make things slightly more secure? We should start collecting ideas in this area. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ devel mailing list devel@ntpsec.org https://lists.ntpsec.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Reading secondary PTR files
Thank you that did the trick! -- Hal King - h...@utk.edu Systems Administrator Office of Information Technology Shared Services The University of Tennessee 103c5 Kingston Pike Building 2309 Kingston Pk. Knoxville, TN 37996 Phone: 974-1599 [cid:7843e9a7-77dc-4edb-92f4-95ba78de367b] From: Larry Rosenman Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2022 9:56 AM To: King, Harold Clyde (Hal) Cc: bind-users Subject: Re: Reading secondary PTR files You don't often get email from l...@lerctr.org. Learn why this is important<http://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification> this is what I use with 9.18.1 named-compilezone -f raw -F text -o - 0.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.b.d.c.f.2.0.6.2.ip6.arpa 0.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.b.d.c.f.2.0.6.2.ip6.arpa.signed On 04/20/2022 8:42 am, King, Harold Clyde (Hal) via bind-users wrote: I need to read the reverse zone in txt and I'm not sure how to decode the file with named-compilezone. Does anyone know the part I'm missing? named-compilezone -f raw -F text -o /etc/named/secondary/9.249.192.in-addr.arpa.db 9.249.192 /etc/named/secondary/9.249.192.in-addr.arpa.db -- Hal King - h...@utk.edu Systems Administrator Office of Information Technology Shared Services The University of Tennessee 103c5 Kingston Pike Building 2309 Kingston Pk. Knoxville, TN 37996 Phone: 974-1599 [cid:16504630076260111f6e158884917586@lerctr.org] -- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lerctr.org%2F~ler=05%7C01%7Chck%40utk.edu%7C6cebeb03aae44b96901908da22d5a086%7C515813d9717d45dd9eca9aa19c09d6f9%7C0%7C0%7C637860598513880738%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C=lstRONgc2LQLeer%2FBMd52bIRmIenyDC0PukWdDamADM%3D=0> Phone: +1 214-642-9640 E-Mail: l...@lerctr.org<mailto:l...@lerctr.org> US Mail: 5708 Sabbia Dr, Round Rock, TX 78665-2106 -- Visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to unsubscribe from this list ISC funds the development of this software with paid support subscriptions. Contact us at https://www.isc.org/contact/ for more information. bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users
Release, wildcards, etc
> Sigh. I should get up to speed onmn crypto and certificates. I doubt I can > do it fast enough to be useful on this one, though. Service Names in TLS https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-uta-rfc6125bis/ It's 24 pages with the usual amount of boiler plate so only half of that is serious reading. To get in the right mind set, you should watch a few of Moxie Marlinspike's talks. He's a good speaker. DEF CON 17 - Moxie Marlinspike - More Tricks for Defeating SSL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dhSN9aEljg 48 minutes -- hacking SSL DEF CON 18 - Moxie Marlinspike - Changing Threats To Privacy: From TIA to Google https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoeNbZlxfUM 43 minutes -- Privacy DEF CON 19 - Moxie Marlinspike - SSL And The Future Of Authenticity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UawS3_iuHoA 46 minutes -- trusting CAs -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ devel mailing list devel@ntpsec.org https://lists.ntpsec.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Reading secondary PTR files
I need to read the reverse zone in txt and I'm not sure how to decode the file with named-compilezone. Does anyone know the part I'm missing? named-compilezone -f raw -F text -o /etc/named/secondary/9.249.192.in-addr.arpa.db 9.249.192 /etc/named/secondary/9.249.192.in-addr.arpa.db -- Hal King - h...@utk.edu Systems Administrator Office of Information Technology Shared Services The University of Tennessee 103c5 Kingston Pike Building 2309 Kingston Pk. Knoxville, TN 37996 Phone: 974-1599 [cid:36fbaf98-8bc3-4d0b-8a9a-8eeade380eaa] -- Visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to unsubscribe from this list ISC funds the development of this software with paid support subscriptions. Contact us at https://www.isc.org/contact/ for more information. bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users
X509_CHECK_FLAG_SINGLE_LABEL_SUBDOMAINS
man X509_check_host says: If set, X509_CHECK_FLAG_SINGLE_LABEL_SUBDOMAINS restricts name values which start with ".", that would otherwise match any sub-domain in the peer certificate, to only match direct child sub-domains. Thus, for instance, with this flag set a name of ".example.com" would match a peer certificate with a DNS name of "www.example.com", but would not match a peer certificate with a DNS name of "www.sub.example.com"; this flag only applies to X509_check_host. I haven't see the idea of ".example.com" being special in any of the RFCs I've been looking at. Can somebody give me a lesson in this area? Is there any way to turn it off totally while still allowing * type wildcards? -- These are my opinions. I hate spam.
Re: How does a client get the server's SAN/DNS strings
openssl-us...@dukhovni.org said: > Can you explain *why* you want the list of DNS names? > Is this just for logging.. Yes, just for logging. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam.
How does a client get the server's SAN/DNS strings
I can get the subject and issuer with X509_get_subject_name and X509_get_issuer_name I'm looking for something similar to get the SAN/DNS strings used to verify that this certificate is valid for the hostname provided via SSL_set1_host Any API will be slightly complicated since there may be more than one SAN/DNS string. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam.
Re: [Important] New behavior for spam handling on this list
Many thanks for the question and answer. This is certainly a problem that I have been having. Hal > On Apr 11, 2022, at 5:11 AM, Pavel Sanda via lyx-users via lyx-users > wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 07, 2022 at 12:44:54PM -0400, Steve Litt via lyx-users wrote: >> Like every other free software project, LyX is underdocumented. The >> lowest hanging fruit you have is to make a single index for all the >> documents available under LyX' help menu. Every time I go there to look >> something up, I spend 25 minutes going from document to document >> looking for the subject. I'm sure I'm not alone. > > You could get small help by changing search scope when using > Advanced search->Settings->All manuals. > > Pavel > -- > lyx-users mailing list > lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
FS: Late 2013 13" Macbook Pro 2.8gHz i7 16GB RAM
This is a clean late 2013 13” Macbook Pro with the following specs: 2.8gHz dual core i7 CPU 16GB RAM 512GB SSD All ports (USB, Thunderbolt, etc) work with no issues. I’d rate it an 8.5-9 on a 10-scale, as it shows some wear (shininess) on the keys and light scratches on the bottom of the case. No dings/dents. The display is clear and bright, and only has very superficial wear/marks/light scratches. Nothing that distracts from normal use. I’m happy to send pics of the laptop. The battery was replaced last year and has 135 charge cycles. Ships with a clean install of Mac OSX Big Sur, as well as the Apple AC adapter. Asking $350 shipped in the US. -- Hal Widlansky Salt Lake City, UT 84108 -- You received this message because you are a member of the LEM Swap group. To post to this group, send email to lemswap@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send an email *from your subscribed address* to lemswap+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com LEM-Swap is not a discussion list; it is for buying & selling Mac stuff. Reply directly to the person who posted, never to the list. Software piracy is illegal and not allowed on LEM Swap. Except for freeware and software originally provided with computers, no software is to be left on hard drives unless the original installer (not a burned copy) is included, along with any required registration number, password, etc. Shipments valued at US$100 or more should be insured, and shipments valued at US$25 or more should be shipped so they can be tracked. See the list FAQ http://lowendmac.com/2014/lem-swap/ for guidelines on postings, feedback, and dispute resolution. Seller feedback at http://groups.google.com/group/swap-feedback --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "LEM Swap" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lemswap+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/lemswap/6D6C0822-6A76-4E0C-8313-19A940108C5C%40mac.com.
Re: NTS doesn't work with 1.1.8 shipped with Ubuntu 20.04 LTS
Richard Laager said: > I've been aware this is a problem, but literally nobody has complained to me > Additionally, it's a backwards incompatible change.. There is a potential case where this could screwup. Consider somebody with s server running 20.04. It will happily serve clients that are also running 20.04. If this is "fixed", the server and clients need to be updated in sync. I think it's best to put this on the back burner until a user gets interested. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ devel mailing list devel@ntpsec.org https://lists.ntpsec.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
NTS doesn't work with 1.1.8 shipped with Ubuntu 20.04 LTS
Ubuntu ships 1.1.8 with 20.04 LTS. NTS doesn't quite work. 1.1.8 was released before the RFC came out. There were a couple of late changes. The port number we can fix in the config file. There was an incompatable change to the string used to make keys. There is no easy fix for that. We could hack our NTS-KE server to also listen on another port and use the old string on that port. Aside from being an ugly hack, it only works for our servers. (and nts.ntp.se which already does something like that) Can anybody give me a lesson in Ubuntu release procedures? Are they likely to be interested in fixing this? (so NTS works) The fix to 1.1.8 is a simple change to a text literal. Can they fix their copy of the source if we send a patch file? Would it help if we released a patched version of 1.1.8? ... Could we convince them to update to Debian's 1.2.0+xx? (or our 1.2.0, or 1.2.1 our current release) -- Long story here: Incompatibility between NTS in ntpsec 1.2.1 and 1.1.8? https://gitlab.com/NTPsec/ntpsec/-/issues/732 -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ devel mailing list devel@ntpsec.org https://lists.ntpsec.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
[Wikitech-l] Give WMF Feedback on Model Cards
Hi all, The WMF Privacy and Machine Learning Platform teams are developing model cards to increase visibility, transparency, and accountability of algorithmic decision-making on WMF platforms. A model card <https://arxiv.org/abs/1810.03993> is a document about a machine learning model that seeks to answer basic questions about the model in a clear and concise manner. The broad goal of this project is for every ML model hosted by WMF to have a model card for the community and public to understand, discuss, and govern that model. We would love for you to give some feedback on the talk page of our prototype: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:HTriedman_(WMF)/Language_Agnostic_Link-Based_Article_Topic_Model_Card We're specifically looking to answer the following questions: - What aspects of the model card are useful, informative, or helpful? - What aspects of the model card are confusing or unhelpful? - Are there any features or sections that aren't on the model card that you would like to see? Thanks so much! Hal ___ Wikitech-l mailing list -- wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to wikitech-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikitech-l.lists.wikimedia.org/
FS: Apple Airpods 3
I have a like-new set of Apple AirPods 3 for sale. This is the new version that Apple introduced last fall, with spatial audio, improved sound, etc. I bought these over the holidays, but haven’t used them more than a dozen times. The work and sound fantastic. Comes with the AirPods in the Apple wireless charging case as well as a rubber cover for the case and an Apple Lightning to USB-A cable. The charging case has been in the cover since new, so it’s scratch-free. Apple sells them for $179 new, and these are as close as you can get without buying them new in the box. I’ve wiped the AirPods down with rubbing alcohol and cleaned the speakers with AirSquares cleaning putty, so they’re clean and ready to pair and go. Asking $130 shipped in the US. -- Hal Widlansky Salt Lake City, UT 84108 -- You received this message because you are a member of the LEM Swap group. To post to this group, send email to lemswap@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send an email *from your subscribed address* to lemswap+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com LEM-Swap is not a discussion list; it is for buying & selling Mac stuff. Reply directly to the person who posted, never to the list. Software piracy is illegal and not allowed on LEM Swap. Except for freeware and software originally provided with computers, no software is to be left on hard drives unless the original installer (not a burned copy) is included, along with any required registration number, password, etc. Shipments valued at US$100 or more should be insured, and shipments valued at US$25 or more should be shipped so they can be tracked. See the list FAQ http://lowendmac.com/2014/lem-swap/ for guidelines on postings, feedback, and dispute resolution. Seller feedback at http://groups.google.com/group/swap-feedback --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "LEM Swap" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lemswap+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/lemswap/C396AFC8-2019-4020-AD33-84EB36F86DA9%40mac.com.
[time-nuts] Re: Low Phase Noise70 10 MHz bench signal source sought
rich...@karlquist.com said: > The tester they used for ADEV consisted of a special 10811 that was 500 Hz > off frequency driving a dual mixer box (Model 10514?) which produced a 500 Hz > beat note, which then drove an ADEV system (model 5490?). Only a few of the > offset 10811's were produced due to the obvious disruption to the production > line because of the offset frequency. What can mortals do if they want a good reference oscillator with an offset? Or maybe I should turn that around. How good can I get if I want an offset? And how do I do that? -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com -- To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-le...@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] Re: The STM32 GPSDO, a short presentation
nea...@gmail.com said: > And, I assume that since we have no idea if the used rubidium oscillator from > ebay is working properly anymore (aside from output seen on a counter), then > we should take that rubidium oscillator to a calibration vendor and pay them > to test it, correct? I think an amateur can do a reasonable job of calibrating a rubidium. I wouldn't adjust anything, just measure the actual frequency and use that as a correction factor when processing other data. The idea is to assume it has good long term stability and compare it with GPS (which has very very good long term stability). Do you know about TVB's picDIV and picPET? http://www.leapsecond.com/pic/ If you have a scope, use a picDIV to make a PPS from the rubidium. Compare the PPS from GPS with the PPS from the rubidium. Reset the picDIV until they are close together. They will drift slowly. Hopefully very slowly. Come back in an hour or day and see how far they have drifted. Now do the math. Repeat. I have a Rigol scope. I'm pretty sure I could program it to automate the data collection. If you have a counter/timer that your PC can talk to, measure the time from one PPS to the other. If you have a PC, get a picPET, clock it from the rubidium and watch the PPS from a GPS. The picDIV is only accurate to 400 ns. You can get a lot better than that if you pick your times to match when the picPET shifts across a clock edge. Mumble. I don't know how to describe that in words that will be easy to understand. It will be obvious after you see it. Consider reading a clock that only ticks once per second, like the typical CMOS clock on a PC. Assume your PC has a clock and you want to know how far off it is. Spin reading the CMOS clock until it changes. Then grab your PC clock. That gets you your PC clock close to the beginning of a second. For the picPET, instead of using 2 samples 24 hours apart, adjust the start/stop times for your 24 hour run to start right after the picPET fraction-within-a-second changes. For more accuracy, get a TAPR TICC. $229 https://tapr.org/product/tapr-ticc/ Thanks John. You did a wonderful job. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com -- To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-le...@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] Self monitoring
kb...@n1k.org said: > You really can???t compute things like ADEV by observing the device against > itself. You need an external / stable reference that is (hopefully) much more > accurate than the GPSDO to compare it to. What can I conclude when looking at data collected internally by a GPSDO (or NTP)? -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com -- To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-le...@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] Temperature effect on delay of FatPPS :)
I'm putting some data collection toys back together. I've got a TAPR TICC watching a couple of PPS signals. The clock for the TICC comes from a HP 5334B with the good crystal option. It's not right-on in frequency, but there is no control voltage that might be wiggling around so it should be stable. This setup is half backwards. I'm using the PPS to calibrate the frequency of the TICC reference clock, then assuming the reference clock is short term stable and using it to examine the short term characteristics of the PPS signals. The green line is the PPS signal from a Sure demo board with a SKG16B GPS chip. http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/MG1613S/ The wander in the green line is a combination of warmup and temperature. The 5334B was off for several months. This graph starts on day 18. The wiggles are easy to see on an expanded scale but that blows the FatPPS signal off scale. The daily temperature swings are roughly the same size as the daily drift. (Another graph for another message...) The PPS signals are connected via clip leads to handy places. One of those was after a FatPPS. That signal is upside down so the TICC is triggering on the trailing edge. No problem, I thought, I can just fix that up when graphing things. :) After I saw the initial results, I put a temperature probe on the FatPPS. The spike at 18 hours is the direct morning sun peeking through the houses and trees across the street. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com -- To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-le...@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to and follow the instructions there.
FS: Apple 1TB SSD for 2013-2015 MacBook Pro
I pulled this SSD from my mid-2015 15” MacBook Pro with Retina Display. It will fit in any late 2013 to mid 2015 MacBook Pro. It doesn’t need any adapter or firmware mods, it's plug and play. It’s the 1TB OEM Apple/Samsung blade-type SSD. Works great, I just needed more space. Tested with Disk Utility and there were no errors. Asking $150 shipped in USA or best offer. -- Hal Widlansky Salt Lake City, UT 84108 -- You received this message because you are a member of the LEM Swap group. To post to this group, send email to lemswap@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send an email *from your subscribed address* to lemswap+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com LEM-Swap is not a discussion list; it is for buying & selling Mac stuff. Reply directly to the person who posted, never to the list. Software piracy is illegal and not allowed on LEM Swap. Except for freeware and software originally provided with computers, no software is to be left on hard drives unless the original installer (not a burned copy) is included, along with any required registration number, password, etc. Shipments valued at US$100 or more should be insured, and shipments valued at US$25 or more should be shipped so they can be tracked. See the list FAQ http://lowendmac.com/2014/lem-swap/ for guidelines on postings, feedback, and dispute resolution. Seller feedback at http://groups.google.com/group/swap-feedback --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "LEM Swap" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lemswap+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/lemswap/0CD42BFC-2CE6-4DB0-9B8A-366F60D4FE5D%40mac.com.
Re: Test #2
Note the time stamps on the received headers. There is still a delay I don't understand on the handoff from lists.ntpsec.org to mx.ntpsec.org That could be a feature rather than a bug -- if we remember it and think a bit longer about what we are typing and try to make every message high quality. Received: from lists.ntpsec.org (lists.int.ntpsec.org [192.168.9.59]) by mx.ntpsec.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2156A2869E7; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 12:54:23 + (UTC) ... Received: from mx.ntpsec.org (unknown [192.168.9.57]) by lists.ntpsec.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3033A3C0276 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 10:23:55 + (UTC) -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ devel mailing list devel@ntpsec.org https://lists.ntpsec.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
[Wiki-research-l] Give WMF feedback on model cards
Hi all, The WMF Privacy and Machine Learning Platform teams are developing model cards to increase visibility, transparency, and accountability of algorithmic decision-making on WMF platforms. The broad goal is for every ML model hosted by WMF to have a model card for the community and public to understand, discuss, and govern that model. We would love for you to give some feedback on the talk page of our prototype: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:HTriedman_(WMF)/Language_Agnostic_Link-Based_Article_Topic_Model_Card Thanks so much! Hal ___ Wiki-research-l mailing list -- wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to wiki-research-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
[time-nuts] Re: Why Jan 6th?
j...@luxfamily.com said: > I've been hunting around for the origin of GPS zero - Why is it 0UTC Jan 6, > 1980? Is it a subtle joke about "Twelfth Night"? Does it have some useful > properties that "end of year" does not? GPS weeks start on Sunday. That was the first Sunday in 1980. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com -- To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-le...@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to and follow the instructions there.
Re: NTPsec panic and abort
Interesting. Thanks. That exit is what happens if you try to adjust the time by too large a step. It's just a sanity check -- assuming that exiting ntpd is better than making a large adjustment. I forget what the default max-step is. You can change it via the config file. You can bypass that check for the first adjustment with a -g on the command line. >> Mar 18 05:10:10 gw1 ntpd[2200]: CLOCK: Panic: offset too big: -604800.000 What time zone is your logging using? >> 59655 86030.616 NMEA(0) $GPRMC,235350,A,.,_,_.,_,000.0,31= 5.7,170322,001.5,W*__ > Note the spurious "100322" date that is 1 week in the past. I don't see a "100322". I see 17 rather than 10. I'm assuming you copied the wrong chunk from the clockstats file. > I have never come across such an ntpd abort before. This is the first time > I'm seeing it. Mostly, GPS units don't lie. > Can this condition be handled in any other way, so that the service doesn't > terminate? How should ntpd decide if the GPS is lying or the time really is off by a week? Do you have any other servers in your config file? If there are several working servers, they should out-vote a lying GPS. But the GPS has a prefer so I'm not sure what would happen. You are using the PPS in the NMEA driver. I don't think that needs the prefer. I usually run with a separate PPS driver so I get the statistics from the PPS driver. That case does need the prefer. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ devel mailing list devel@ntpsec.org https://lists.ntpsec.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
