Sounds a little bit backward. It forces me to manually switch options
on off, loosing my time. It basically forbids me to delegate this to
my app, which is bad.
There are many valid reasons why apps need to activate GPS, while I
want to keep it off by default, use cases that come immediatly to
The GPS toggle in the system settings is a **PRIVACY** setting. It's
just there to allow applications to turn the GPS on or off.
Applications are in control of the GPS and can turn it off/on (when
it's on you see a GPS icon in the status bar) whenever they want. If
an app is keeping the GPS on
As I've said, it would be reasonable to have a facility for power manager
kind of stuff to get involved in this. This setting is not the way. And it
NEVER was. Do you realize what we are seeing here? People complaining that
their app can no longer turn on the setting whenever it wants, and
Clearly. Let me rephrase - while changing settings (Airplane mode),
user navigates through Settings and disables GPS as well.
So your argument is that if the user has explicitly disabled the GPS
function, your app should be able to turn it on without asking them?
This is exactly why the change
My argument is that, plain and simply, the default settings apps were
inadequate for many users. Having been forced back to using them, those
users are objecting, and I agree completely.
It is not just a case of I disabled GPS and now CrazyAlsFriendFinder turned
it on and drained my battery.
This is what I don't understand.
The issue right now is that applications are automatically turning GPS
on, causing
battery life to go down. Or at least give that perception. Probably
because those
applications turning it on w/out letting the user know are leaving the
program in the
background
Turning the GPS on in the Settings is not doing anything to the
battery. It just *allows* applications to use the GPS. You can have
this setting turned on, use only Gmail and Browser and you will never
seen the battery drain faster than with the setting off. That's also
why there's very little
On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 8:18 AM, chrispix chris...@gmail.com wrote:
This is what I don't understand.
The issue right now is that applications are automatically turning GPS
on, causing
battery life to go down. Or at least give that perception. Probably
because those
applications turning it
Romain Guy wrote:
That's also
why there's very little reason to have apps turn it on/off: it's a
*PRIVACY* feature.
Among other things.
Near as I can tell, the *only* user-level control over GPS behavior, in
stock Android 1.1 or 1.5, is the Enable GPS Satellites checkbox in the
Security
[mailto:android-develop...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of nEx.Software
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Subject: [android-developers] Re: Android v. 1.5 =FAIL#2: Directly
Manipulating Settings
So, if I understand this all correctly... Those of us who have paid
We are working on an application that was going to set the brightness
of the screen based on some locations / activities. That is pretty
much worthless too. Why not MAKE SUPPORTED APIs to control these
functions?
Chris
On Apr 28, 4:26 pm, weaselgrater geeyouknitsold...@gmail.com wrote:
I am
I can see your frustration, and you have some work ahead of you. But
why throw the app away?
You can make this work if the user keeps any of the location providers
enabled (GPS for best results). You can pop up a dialog to have the
user enable a provider of his or her choice when you start the
On Apr 29, 2:32 pm, chrispix chris...@gmail.com wrote:
We are working on an application that was going to set the brightness
of the screen based on some locations / activities. That is pretty
much worthless too. Why not MAKE SUPPORTED APIs to control these
functions?
There is a supported API
On Apr 28, 11:26 pm, weaselgrater geeyouknitsold...@gmail.com wrote:
I am the developer of SMS Commander, and getting a GPS location
remotely is going to become impossible now.
No, it's not. Just tell users to leave the GPS setting checked. As
mentioned before, it does not mean GPS is always
On Apr 29, 8:25 am, Mike Hearn mh.in.engl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Apr 28, 11:26 pm, weaselgrater geeyouknitsold...@gmail.com wrote:
No, it's not. Just tell users to leave the GPS setting checked. As
mentioned before, it does not mean GPS is always active, just that
when an app asks for
Friend Finder does not turn GPS on. MyTracks does not turn on it. You too
can live with not turning it on.
Btw, airplane mode afaik has no impact on GPS.
And if you really really care about this, you can find out when you are not
getting GPS updates, and put up a notification telling the user
On Apr 29, 12:04 pm, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote:
Friend Finder does not turn GPS on. MyTracks does not turn on it. You too
can live with not turning it on.
Btw, airplane mode afaik has no impact on GPS.
Clearly. Let me rephrase - while changing settings (Airplane mode),
I am the developer of SMS Commander, and getting a GPS location
remotely is going to become impossible now.
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On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:37 AM
My 2c regarding permissions...
I find Vista's UAC prompts next-to-useless at times, because it
doesn't tell you anything about why the elevation is required. How can
I make an informed decision as a user about whether to allow an app to
elevate if I don't know what it is going to do? Is it
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:37 AM, chrispix chris...@gmail.com wrote:
Dianne, thank you for the response.
The issue is, that if an application uses GPS and it is NOT turned
off, it can drain the battery quite quickly if the app continues to
ping the location. Which is why you disabled this.
associates, or it's
subsidiaries.
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Subject: [android-developers] Re: Android v. 1.5 = FAIL #2
For the most part, My Vista computer only prompts during install to
get permission to write to the programs directory. Personally I find
the Andoid model much more annoying because it is so fine grained and
meaningless to the average user.
On Apr 24, 10:44 am, Mark Murphy
I too think this change is a bad idea and will decrease the user's
experience with my application.
Perhaps, but it'll probably improve the users experience with the
phone in general. I'm sure the battery life complaints have reduced G1
sales, and yet my own G1 doesn't seem to have such
Don't forget the fact that it assumes the google devs (or, more likely, the
mysterious and secretive Designers) have the One True Best Way to change
settings.
Want to set profiles in toggle settings or other apps (or, say, the
much-vaunted Locale) to do things like turn gps off when you are on a
chrispix wrote:
Having to prompt the user each time to turn on / off gps is a giant
pain from the standpoint of program flow.
It is rather mystifying that the solution was to disable the APIs rather
than add more permissions, or even a system-launched confirmation dialog.
If the goal was to
On Apr 24, 7:26 am, Disconnect dc.disconn...@gmail.com wrote:
Now lets look at the new way. Instead of going to one app that has a list
(or no apps, in the case of locale) you have to open settings (click 1),
scroll down to the bottom (drag), open display (click 2), scroll down to the
You don't need that okToFinishApp = false there in the end. That
slipped in when I pulled this together from various places
On Apr 24, 7:49 am, JP joachim.pfeif...@gmail.com wrote:
On Apr 24, 7:26 am, Disconnect dc.disconn...@gmail.com wrote:
@Override
protected void onStop() {
At 7:19 AM -0700 4/24/09, chrispix wrote:
Having to prompt the user each time to turn on / off gps is a giant
pain from the standpoint of program flow.
I'm not sure why you have to prompt each time. You only need to check
the GPS state once at startup and then fire the user off to settings
if
All right, here's the deal:
One of the reasons that motivated the change is battery life, which is
a major point of frustration for many Android users. More precisely,
we've noticed in our testing that there was a strong correlation
between user complaints about battery life and specific
If you're worried about an app turning those things on without the
user's permission, why not just detect the application changing the
setting and pop up a quick dialog asking the user if its ok. That way
they wouldn't have to go clicking through menus, it would only add an
extra click to say ok
It's already possible for a user to see an app's permissions - though
it'd be nice indeed if the list could be organized the other way
(contributions welcome).
At least anecdotally, though, we've noticed that users (even
sophisticated ones) don't associate poor battery life or control over
some
Where was this discussion held? It sounds like quite a few developers and
platform hackers are interested in providing feedback/alternatives.
(And as a later poster said, a popup that says turn on gps? is not nearly
as bad as this new method, AND doesn't involve a major regression for apps
Hi Jean Batiste
It seems that a better way would be to have a list of applications
allowed to make GPS status changes.
So user would be prompted one time to say if he allow or not this
application to change GPS status.
And to be able to consult and change the list of applications allowed
to do
. 1.5 = FAIL #2: Directly
Manipulating Settings
All right, here's the deal:
One of the reasons that motivated the change is battery life, which is a
major point of frustration for many Android users. More precisely, we've
noticed in our testing that there was a strong correlation between user
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Al Sutton a...@funkyandroid.com wrote:
- Isn't the biggest privacy problem at the moment with permission
granularity on Internet access?, There are many apps that want internet
access just to access a donations page, but as a user of, say, an accounts
program,
I too think this change is a bad idea and will decrease the user's
experience with my application.
I am surprised that Android's security model asking for permissions
when every application is installed is tollerated while WIndows Vista
basically doing the same thing in a simpler way receives
So, if I understand this all correctly... Those of us who have paid
for an app to toggle settings for us, specifically - Power Manager
(which, by the way, is currently the 2nd most popular Paid
Application), have thrown away our money since we will be prompted to
allow changes for some of the
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So, if I understand this all correctly... Those of us who have paid for an
app to toggle settings for us, specifically
To: Android Developers
Subject: [android-developers] Re: Android v. 1.5 = FAIL #2: Directly
Manipulating Settings
So, if I understand this all correctly... Those of us who have paid for an
app to toggle settings for us, specifically - Power Manager (which, by the
way, is currently the 2nd most
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