[android-developers] Re: Being legally harassed, by a large iPhone developer

2010-04-13 Thread rj3005
Disclaimer... not a legal expert and so on... I´m confident they do not have any case against you (provided you didn ´t actually copied code and artwork) - First of all the game concept is not theirs and is around for ages. (I played it quite a lot in the night shift at work in the early 90's )

[android-developers] Re: Being legally harassed, by a large iPhone developer

2010-04-13 Thread ko5tik
On Mar 23, 6:53 pm, Hong lordh...@gmail.com wrote: So NO ONE in the world can ever make a memory type of game EVER, except them? You can, but do not even dare to speak word memory publicly ;) AFAIK, game play itself is not patentable/protectable - only images / artwork / sounds etc. Lego

[android-developers] Re: Being legally harassed, by a large iPhone developer

2010-03-26 Thread csaunders
I just downloaded the demo of your game and did a comparison of your game to the game by Firemint. They are fairly similar, the smoke from the planes, exclamation point, etc. Perhaps you could do some level redesigns and change your incoming vehicle notifier from an exclamation point to an arrow

[android-developers] Re: Being legally harassed, by a large iPhone developer

2010-03-25 Thread tobias429
Not a lawyer, but that's my understanding as well. Take all the Connect 4 clones on the Market. I don't think anyone has a patent on the game concept itself (according to Wikipedia it's been out since the 17th century). However Hasbro has registered the title Connect 4 as a trademark in the US.

[android-developers] Re: Being legally harassed, by a large iPhone developer

2010-03-23 Thread Al Sutton
Kevin, Can you tell me if you're a legal advisor, because your understanding of copyright/trademark seems to differ from mine so I'd like to know if I've got things wrong. As far as I'm aware copyright requires using actual material lifted from their app (e.g. graphics, reverse engineered source

[android-developers] Re: Being legally harassed, by a large iPhone developer

2010-03-23 Thread ko5tik
On Mar 23, 8:05 am, Al Sutton a...@funkyandroid.com wrote: Kevin, Can you tell me if you're a legal advisor, because your understanding of copyright/trademark seems to differ from mine so I'd like to know if I've got things wrong. As far as I'm aware copyright requires using actual

Re: [android-developers] Re: Being legally harassed, by a large iPhone developer

2010-03-23 Thread Patrick Noffke
I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice. I have some experience and have done some reading in this regard, however. Laws differ in each country, and if they were to sue you for trademark infringement, they would have to do so in each country they wish for you to stop selling your app or

[android-developers] Re: Being legally harassed, by a large iPhone developer

2010-03-23 Thread Yahel
It's a simple line drawing game, of which there are now several variations on a similar theme. If this this kind of game is as ubiquitous as you say, just find a game (web, flash, iphone, nokia, java, really any platform) that uses the same kind of gameplay, alerts and all and which is not

[android-developers] Re: Being legally harassed, by a large iPhone developer

2010-03-23 Thread JP
On Mar 22, 9:02 pm, Kevin Duffey andjar...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know that I would take a couple of emails from the CEO as something to worry about just yet Concur, good advise. Consider that in this industry, plenty of people who give themselves C level type titles still live in the

[android-developers] Re: Being legally harassed, by a large iPhone developer

2010-03-23 Thread JP
On Mar 23, 12:33 am, ko5tik kpriblo...@yahoo.com wrote: Even if the claims are non enforceable,  your adversary can pull you to court (civil) with really high lawsuit value - and with lawyers (and courts)  charges based on that value you may be unable to defend yourself. regards, Not a

Re: [android-developers] Re: Being legally harassed, by a large iPhone developer

2010-03-23 Thread Justin Giles
Here's an idiots guide to copyright from the US copyright office: http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.pdf Great info on their general site as well: http://www.copyright.gov Brief synopsis from the PDF (please read the whole thing to interpret your own way): Who Can Claim Copyright? Copyright

Re: [android-developers] Re: Being legally harassed, by a large iPhone developer

2010-03-23 Thread Justin Giles
Again, I'm no legal advisor, but doing a quick search on the US Copyrights (via the sites I mentioned earlier), I found nothing pertaining to Flight Control as a game. Just a FYI. Do your own research though. On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 8:42 AM, Justin Giles jtgi...@gmail.com wrote: Here's an

Re: [android-developers] Re: Being legally harassed, by a large iPhone developer

2010-03-23 Thread mike
On 03/23/2010 07:06 AM, Yahel wrote: It's a simple line drawing game, of which there are now several variations on a similar theme. If this this kind of game is as ubiquitous as you say, just find a game (web, flash, iphone, nokia, java, really any platform) that uses the same kind of

Re: [android-developers] Re: Being legally harassed, by a large iPhone developer

2010-03-23 Thread Justin Giles
Seriously, the right thing to do here is ask for advise from an expert. The advise you get here is likely to be as useful as going to a lawyer and asking him about the Android SDK. Very valid and probably the best piece of advice so far! :) But, it is still nice to get other points of view

Re: [android-developers] Re: Being legally harassed, by a large iPhone developer

2010-03-23 Thread mike
On 03/23/2010 07:53 AM, Justin Giles wrote: Seriously, the right thing to do here is ask for advise from an expert. The advise you get here is likely to be as useful as going to a lawyer and asking him about the Android SDK. Very valid and probably the best piece of advice so far!

[android-developers] Re: Being legally harassed, by a large iPhone developer

2010-03-23 Thread Richard
Thanks for all the advice everybody, I know nobody here is an expert. I am actually in the UK, and Firemint are Australian - so the US laws don't actually apply, but I can't imagine ours differ that much. And yes, ofcourse I had seen their game beforehand (only actually played for 5 minutes) and

Re: [android-developers] Re: Being legally harassed, by a large iPhone developer

2010-03-23 Thread chris harper
Richard/Patrick It will probably come down to how much they want to really pay and pursue this. It might just be a scare tactic because if they are jumping from the iphone over to Android with their app then their natural first reaction would be to scare off the competition. One this is for sure

Re: [android-developers] Re: Being legally harassed, by a large iPhone developer

2010-03-23 Thread Hong
Last year, I got a CD letter for a memory matching iPhone game I built from a German company who patents the word Memory and its game play(?). Ridiculous huh? Since I'm not under any freakin' Germany juris-dick-tion, I simply removed my app for sale in German region. (BTW, the game is free). No

[android-developers] Re: Being legally harassed, by a large iPhone developer

2010-03-23 Thread JP
On Mar 23, 9:10 am, Hong lordh...@gmail.com wrote: Last year, I got a CD letter for a memory matching iPhone game I built from a German company who patents the word Memory and its game play(?). Ridiculous huh?  Since I'm not under any freakin' Germany juris-dick-tion, I simply removed my app

[android-developers] Re: Being legally harassed, by a large iPhone developer

2010-03-23 Thread JP
You might be able to license it. Check out spielen.de [http://www.spielen.de/games/ ravensburger_popup.php] They've got a license. (Turn off audio before you go there) On Mar 23, 9:53 am, Hong lordh...@gmail.com wrote: So NO ONE in the world can ever make a memory type of game EVER, except

Re: [android-developers] Re: Being legally harassed, by a large iPhone developer

2010-03-23 Thread Greg Donald
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Hong lordh...@gmail.com wrote: But the game is free.  I don't see the point of breaking my wallet to license it... Seriously, for indie developers, what can they do? Think of an original idea. -- Greg Donald destiney.com | gregdonald.com -- You received

[android-developers] Re: Being legally harassed, by a large iPhone developer

2010-03-23 Thread huberuto
As far as I know, they can't get a patent on the type of game, in this case the air traffic control. You have not violated copyright if you actually hadn't use their work, code, graphics, sound, music or something from their game. Trademark is a logo or name, your game has different name. I am not

[android-developers] Re: Being legally harassed, by a large iPhone developer

2010-03-23 Thread Kevin S.
I wouldn't be a big rush to talk to a lawyer. Remember that they get paid by the hour, and the bigger the fuss and the more it drags out over time, the more money the lawyers make. So far Firemint has made no investment in this besides sending a couple letters. -Kevin On Mar 22, 2:14 pm,

[android-developers] Re: Being legally harassed, by a large iPhone developer

2010-03-22 Thread Brion Emde
Sorry to continue the off-topic posting, everyone! I'm no lawyer and I think you should talk to one. Many cities' bar associations offer a low-cost or free first consultation with a lawyer. It would be under Attorney listings; something like Free Lawyer Consulation. If you have your source

[android-developers] Re: Being legally harassed, by a large iPhone developer

2010-03-22 Thread Al Sutton
First off; I'm not a qualified legal advisor, so my views here are from my experience of matters like this and should not be construed as solid legal advice. As long as you've not used their code or other files from the app your first step should be to go back to them and say the app is not

[android-developers] Re: Being legally harassed, by a large iPhone developer

2010-03-22 Thread MrChaz
I guess it depends on just how similar the layout of the levels are, they might have a case for IP infringement. I don't think they can have any claim over the gameplay etc but if the art style and layout is a clone they I dunno IP law seems really complicated :( I would seriously contact a

[android-developers] Re: Being legally harassed, by a large iPhone developer

2010-03-22 Thread Mario Zechner
I have no legal advice as i'm the last person to ask about such questions. I just want to share my concern that this will happen to a lot of game developers on Android. If you happen to get more info on the matter from say a proper legal advisor please share it here with us. On 22 Mrz., 19:34,

Re: [android-developers] Re: Being legally harassed, by a large iPhone developer

2010-03-22 Thread Kevin Duffey
So question Richard... btw, I play the trial game.. great job on that game. Have you ever played their game before you wrote yours... did you get the idea for your game from theirs? They site specific details, like the layout of the runways, the premise of the game, edge alerts, etc... that