Re: [android-discuss] Interesting email from an Android user

2013-07-30 Thread Chris
On Saturday, March 2, 2013 2:32:23 PM UTC-6, John Coryat wrote: it sounds like the bug on your side (no offense and sorry if I misunderstood the problem)... The problem isn't our app, it's the state of Android introductory orientation. If users don't know how to properly end apps, then

Re: [android-discuss] Interesting email from an Android user

2013-07-30 Thread Brian Conrad
On 07/30/2013 08:16 AM, Chris wrote: On Saturday, March 2, 2013 2:32:23 PM UTC-6, John Coryat wrote: it sounds like the bug on your side (no offense and sorry if I misunderstood the problem)... The problem isn't our app, it's the state of Android introductory orientation. If users don't know

Re: [android-discuss] Interesting email from an Android user

2013-07-30 Thread John Coryat
We had an option to display an exit button that we removed in the last update. With millions of users, only one person complained that it was missing. I think the majority of users get the idea that the back key backs the user out of the application. -John Coryat On Tuesday, July 30, 2013

Re: [android-discuss] Interesting email from an Android user

2013-07-30 Thread Johan Appelgren
What's wrong with the home button? It should quickly exit the app unless it has something active that should continue like playing music in which case there should be an ongoing notification to make the user aware of it, preferably with a pause/stop button in the notification. I rarely press

Re: [android-discuss] Interesting email from an Android user

2013-07-30 Thread Brian Conrad
On 07/30/2013 11:15 AM, Johan Appelgren wrote: What's wrong with the home button? It should quickly exit the app unless it has something active that should continue like playing music in which case there should be an ongoing notification to make the user aware of it, preferably with a

Re: [android-discuss] Interesting email from an Android user

2013-07-30 Thread Brian Conrad
An exit button is probably only necessary that has too many UI layers (usually done with Intents) that require a number of back keys to exit. Makes perfect sense to have one then. There is a problem too of leaving too many apps open and running out of memory to run an app especially if it

Re: [android-discuss] Interesting email from an Android user

2013-07-30 Thread C. Beck
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Brian Conrad brianjto...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/30/2013 08:16 AM, Chris wrote: Where does it state in developer documentation that the back button is supposed to end a program? I don't see what it has to do with Android introductory orientation, especially

Re: [android-discuss] Interesting email from an Android user

2013-07-30 Thread Johan Appelgren
You're not supposed to exit Android apps period. At least not in the desktop process centric meaning of exit. Works fine in most cases except for apps that don't pause worker threads in onPause or abuse services, alarms and broadcast receivers to stay alive or get restarted unnecessarily. --

Re: [android-discuss] Interesting email from an Android user

2013-07-30 Thread Brian Conrad
On 07/30/2013 01:12 PM, Johan Appelgren wrote: You're not supposed to exit Android apps period. At least not in the desktop process centric meaning of exit. Works fine in most cases except for apps that don't pause worker threads in onPause or abuse services, alarms and broadcast receivers

Re: [android-discuss] Interesting email from an Android user

2013-03-02 Thread Prashant Singh
I think this guys is more of an outlier than representative of a typical Android user . We got to calibrate UI assuming a minimum threshold of intelligence / familiarity /proficiency from user . I must say that for more than 90% of user i can safely say that they either know that back key is the

Re: [android-discuss] Interesting email from an Android user

2013-03-02 Thread John Coryat
The thing is I've gotten numerous emails over the years and comments on Google Play regarding how our app doesn't end, or doesn't update imagery. The only way that's possible is if the user ends the app with the home key instead of the back key. It might be obvious to us, but it certainly

Re: [android-discuss] Interesting email from an Android user

2013-03-02 Thread Elaine Pack
FWIW, John, I am a LONG time techie pro, my street cred dating back to 1970 (and one of your beta testers :), but I am also relatively new to Android, having gotten only my 2nd device last Black Friday. I was NOT aware until this thread there was a difference in the exits. Well, I knew there were

Re: [android-discuss] Interesting email from an Android user

2013-03-02 Thread Nathan
I do think there is a significant number that doesn't know. Also, on many systems, using the Home Screen button *does* end programs. I say that because of the advanced setting Task Management = Aggressive. Some phones ship with it on in their crusade for battery life. I do not claim to know

Re: [android-discuss] Interesting email from an Android user

2013-03-02 Thread John Coryat
Automatic refresh is a premium feature. Lame, I know, but it is one that drives the users to go premium. There's a refresh button that a user can use to update the imagery, but they have to: a) know what refresh means b) recognize the button. That's already a stretch for a lot of them. When

Re: [android-discuss] Interesting email from an Android user

2013-03-02 Thread anatoly
it sounds like the bug on your side (no offense and sorry if I misunderstood the problem) are you using onResume, etc? you can do refresh in onResume which will be fired anyway On Saturday, March 2, 2013 7:22:31 PM UTC+2, John Coryat wrote: Automatic refresh is a premium feature. Lame, I

Re: [android-discuss] Interesting email from an Android user

2013-03-02 Thread John Coryat
it sounds like the bug on your side (no offense and sorry if I misunderstood the problem)... The problem isn't our app, it's the state of Android introductory orientation. If users don't know how to properly end apps, then they can run into all kinds of problems. Case in point are task

Re: [android-discuss] Interesting email from an Android user

2013-03-02 Thread Brian Conrad
On 03/02/2013 12:32 PM, John Coryat wrote: it sounds like the bug on your side (no offense and sorry if I misunderstood the problem)... The problem isn't our app, it's the state of Android introductory orientation. If users don't know how to properly end apps, then they can run into all kinds

Re: [android-discuss] Interesting email from an Android user

2013-03-02 Thread Tim Mensch
On 3/2/2013 1:32 PM, John Coryat wrote: it sounds like the bug on your side (no offense and sorry if I misunderstood the problem)... The problem isn't our app, it's the state of Android introductory orientation. If users don't know how to properly end apps, then they can run into all kinds

Re: [android-discuss] Interesting email from an Android user

2013-03-02 Thread Nathan
On Saturday, March 2, 2013 9:22:31 AM UTC-8, John Coryat wrote: Automatic refresh is a premium feature. Lame, I know, but it is one that drives the users to go premium. There's a refresh button that a user can use to update the imagery, but they have to: a) know what refresh means b)