Re: [apple-crop-2] What to do when fireblight hits tall spindle
t;> What was your fireblight control program at bloom? >> >> any post bloom program(s) >> >> >> >> Win >> >> >> >> On Jul 18, 2018, at 9:26 PM, Doug Nelson >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> I appear to have fireblight popping up in my orchard. The ipm group tells >> me to prune all limbs back to central leader and not to do any spraying. >> >> >> >> What do you do? >> >> ___ >> apple-crop mailing list >> apple-crop@virtualorchard.com >> http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop >> >> >> >> Win Cowgill >> >> Apple-Crop Co-Founder >> >> Professor Emeritus, Rutgers, the State University >> >> Visiting Scholar, UMASS-Amherst >> >> CEO- Win Enterprises International, LLC >> >> Editor Horticultural News >> >> PO Box 143 >> >> Baptistown, NJ 08803 >> >> Office 908-489-1476 >> >> Fax- 908-996-6404 >> >> Email: wincowg...@mac.com >> >> www.wincowgill.com >> >> www.virtualorchard.net/ >> >> http://giselacherry.com/ >> >> http://virtualorchard.net/njfruitfocus/index.html >> >> http://www.appletesters.net >> >> http://nc140.org >> >> Twitter @mrsuncrisp <https://twitter.com/mrsuncrisp> >> >> >> >> ___ >> apple-crop mailing list >> apple-crop@virtualorchard.com >> http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop >> >> ___ >> apple-crop mailing list >> apple-crop@virtualorchard.com >> http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop >> > > > -- > Doug Nelson > President > Nelson Multimedia Inc. > -- Maurice Tougas Tougas Family Farm Northborough,MA 01532 508-450-0844 ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.com http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [Apple-Crop] Cold temp. After planting
15? It's April next week! On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 6:09 PM, Win Cowgill <wincowg...@mac.com> wrote: > Do not plant until temperatures moderate! > win > > > > Win Cowgill > Professor Emeritus, Rutgers, the State University > Visiting Scholar, UMASS-Amherst > CEO- Win Enterprises International, LLC > Editor Horticultural News > PO Box 143 > Baptistown, NJ 08803 > Office 908-489-1476 > Fax- 908-996-6404 > Email: wincowg...@mac.com > www.wincowgill.com > www.virtualorchard.net/ > http://giselacherry.com/ > http://virtualorchard.net/njfruitfocus/index.html > http://www.appletesters.net > http://nc140.org > Twitter @mrsuncrisp > > http://www.horticulturalnews.org/ > > > > > On Mar 30, 2018, at 2:46 PM, Dean <d...@berrypatchfarm.com> wrote: > > > > 15 * low is predicted next tues. Should I plant cherry trees or leave in > the cooler? > > > > Regards, Dean > > Www.berrypatchfarm.com > > > > ___ > > apple-crop mailing list > > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > > http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > > ___________ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > -- Maurice Tougas Tougas Family Farm Northborough,MA 01532 508-450-0844 ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.com http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
[Apple-Crop] Rootstock flowers
While handling/planting G41/Honeycrisp a number of trees broke at union. We decide to plant rootstock with intent of returning to graft craps or other var for pollination. Can anyone tell me if we simply allow G41 to grow will we see flowering adequate for pollination? Thanks, Mo Tougas -- Maurice Tougas Tougas Family Farm Northborough,MA 01532 508-450-0844 ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.com http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [Apple-Crop] Freezing temps vs. first cover spray
Relax Al! On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 12:27 PM Alan Yelvington <al...@semparpac.org> wrote: > First time caller, long time listener... > > I still have snow on the ground here in NW > PA, but we're having warm breaks that makes > me anxious to get my first cover spray > (Cueva) put on. I only have a wand > applicator, and I want to know how all of you > contend with cold temps and breaking out your > sprayers. I can see evidence of scab on a > few silver tips (yup, I have some that the > deer didn't get) and I want to give them a > soaking. > > Best, > > Al Yelvington > Happy Dog Farm > Russell, PA > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > -- Maurice Tougas Tougas Family Farm Northborough,MA 01532 508-450-0844 ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.com http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [Apple-Crop] Test, IFTA in NZ, and MyIPM
Michael, I've given sweepings to locals with pigs, and feed to my few dozen goats, but otherwise they just make a smelly compost. I can mechanically pick up in two days what used to take 18 man days so we aren't too far off of where we'd like to be. For $10,000 the Perouso looks interesting if I can reduce the number of passes thru the orchard. Scalping has also been an issue we've been trying to deal with. Pretty easy to shave up and sweep an eight foot by five foot strip of turf into sweeper. Thanks for the suggestion though. Mo Tougas On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Michael Vaughn <mvaugh...@gmail.com> wrote: > Maurice, > > The only market would be Hog/Pig Farmers looking for supplemental feed. > > Also Dairy Farmers like apple mash for cows. > > The Cider Mill I use sells all the pressings to these type local farms. > > On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 2:36 PM, maurice tougas < > appleman.maur...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Kurt, >> >> I've seen units there but as you say no cider maker would be happy with >> stones in the bin. We're at the point of raking them out from under trees >> with either a paddle rake or spider to drive middles (more or less) and >> then either sweeping with modified Sweepster or grinding with flair chopper >> and then fluffing up the mash a day or two later to facilitate drying. >> Capacity of sweepster pretty small. I did hear of a Perouso Koalo 1600 >> https://www.peruzzousa.com/Collection_Flail_Mowers_s/106.htm but of >> course apples would be of no use but at least orchard would be clean, I'm >> guessing. I don't know if there is a market for whats left on the ground >> Monday mornings. >> >> On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 1:50 PM, Kurt Alstede <k...@alstedefarms.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Hello Mo, >>> >>> >>> >>> I have long been looking at and considering the automated drop apple >>> picking up machines that are plentiful over there….but have concerns about >>> them picking up stones with the fruit as well as not being a able to >>> differentiate between good and bad apples….which means the need for grading >>> what is picked up. I would love to demo one here but it is not easy to >>> find one on this side of the ocean. For this reason we continue to do our >>> orchard floor cleaning using man power after each big picking day. >>> >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> >>> >>> Kurt >>> >>> >>> >>> *Kurt W. Alstede* >>> >>> Founder, Owner, General Manager, >>> >>> Alstede Farms, LLC >>> >>> P.O. Box 278 >>> >>> 1 Alstede Farms Lane, >>> >>> Chester, New Jersey 07930 >>> >>> United States of America >>> >>> >>> >>> Tel: 908-879-7189 <(908)%20879-7189> >>> >>> Fax: 908-879-7815 <(908)%20879-7815> >>> >>> www.alstedefarms.com >>> >>> >>> >>> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01CFB1AF.83320400][image: Picture1] >>> >>> >>> >>> [image: fresh discoveries every day] >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* apple-crop [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.com] *On >>> Behalf Of *maurice tougas >>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 18, 2018 1:40 PM >>> >>> *To:* Apple-Crop discussion list <apple-crop@virtualorchard.com> >>> *Subject:* Re: [Apple-Crop] Test, IFTA in NZ, and MyIPM >>> >>> >>> >>> Automated Monday morning orchard clean up Kurt! >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 1:20 PM Kurt Alstede <k...@alstedefarms.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello Mo, >>> >>> >>> >>> I am happy to spend your money…let me know what you need! >>> >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> >>> >>> Kurt >>> >>> >>> >>> *Kurt W. Alstede* >>> >>> Founder, Owner, General Manager, >>> >>> Alstede Farms, LLC >>> >>> P.O. Box 278 >>> >>> 1 Alstede Farms Lane, >>> >>> Chester, New Jersey 07930 >>> >>> United States of America >>> >>> >>> >>> Tel: 908-879-7189 <(908)%20879-7189> >>> >>> Fax: 908-879-7815 <(908)%20879-7815> >>> >>> www.alstedefarms.com >>> >>> >>> >>> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01CFB1AF.83320400][im
Re: [Apple-Crop] Test, IFTA in NZ, and MyIPM
Hi Kurt, I've seen units there but as you say no cider maker would be happy with stones in the bin. We're at the point of raking them out from under trees with either a paddle rake or spider to drive middles (more or less) and then either sweeping with modified Sweepster or grinding with flair chopper and then fluffing up the mash a day or two later to facilitate drying. Capacity of sweepster pretty small. I did hear of a Perouso Koalo 1600 https://www.peruzzousa.com/Collection_Flail_Mowers_s/106.htm but of course apples would be of no use but at least orchard would be clean, I'm guessing. I don't know if there is a market for whats left on the ground Monday mornings. On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 1:50 PM, Kurt Alstede <k...@alstedefarms.com> wrote: > Hello Mo, > > > > I have long been looking at and considering the automated drop apple > picking up machines that are plentiful over there….but have concerns about > them picking up stones with the fruit as well as not being a able to > differentiate between good and bad apples….which means the need for grading > what is picked up. I would love to demo one here but it is not easy to > find one on this side of the ocean. For this reason we continue to do our > orchard floor cleaning using man power after each big picking day. > > > > Best, > > > > Kurt > > > > *Kurt W. Alstede* > > Founder, Owner, General Manager, > > Alstede Farms, LLC > > P.O. Box 278 > > 1 Alstede Farms Lane, > > Chester, New Jersey 07930 > > United States of America > > > > Tel: 908-879-7189 <(908)%20879-7189> > > Fax: 908-879-7815 <(908)%20879-7815> > > www.alstedefarms.com > > > > [image: cid:image001.jpg@01CFB1AF.83320400][image: Picture1] > > > > [image: fresh discoveries every day] > > > > *From:* apple-crop [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.com] *On > Behalf Of *maurice tougas > *Sent:* Sunday, February 18, 2018 1:40 PM > > *To:* Apple-Crop discussion list <apple-crop@virtualorchard.com> > *Subject:* Re: [Apple-Crop] Test, IFTA in NZ, and MyIPM > > > > Automated Monday morning orchard clean up Kurt! > > > > On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 1:20 PM Kurt Alstede <k...@alstedefarms.com> > wrote: > > Hello Mo, > > > > I am happy to spend your money…let me know what you need! > > > > Best, > > > > Kurt > > > > *Kurt W. Alstede* > > Founder, Owner, General Manager, > > Alstede Farms, LLC > > P.O. Box 278 > > 1 Alstede Farms Lane, > > Chester, New Jersey 07930 > > United States of America > > > > Tel: 908-879-7189 <(908)%20879-7189> > > Fax: 908-879-7815 <(908)%20879-7815> > > www.alstedefarms.com > > > > [image: cid:image001.jpg@01CFB1AF.83320400][image: Picture1] > > > > [image: fresh discoveries every day] > > > > *From:* apple-crop [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.com] *On > Behalf Of *maurice tougas > *Sent:* Sunday, February 18, 2018 11:18 AM > > > *To:* Apple-Crop discussion list <apple-crop@virtualorchard.com> > > *Subject:* Re: [Apple-Crop] Test, IFTA in NZ, and MyIPM > > > > Hey Kurt > > > > Lake Constance is great this time of year! Can I send you a shopping list? > > > > Mo > > > > On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Dean Henry <d...@berrypatchfarm.com> > wrote: > > Had some wooly apple aphid last season, caught too late. First time in 40 > years. what do I do this season? > > Dean Henry > > d...@berrypatchfarm.com > > > > > > > > On Feb 18, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Vincent Philion <vincent.phil...@irda.qc.ca> > wrote: > > > > Say hello to Peter Triloff from MABO while you are there! Have a nice > trip. > > Vincent Philion, agr., M.Sc. > > > Le 18 févr. 2018 à 10:08, Kurt Alstede <k...@alstedefarms.com> a écrit : > > Hello Jon, > > > > Received. Over 9 inches of snow in Northwest New Jersey last night. > Pruning while our colleagues are down under….and heading to Fruchtwelt am > Bodensee in Friedrichshafen, Germany at the end of the week! > > > > Best, > > > > Kurt > > > > *Kurt W. Alstede* > > Founder, Owner, General Manager, > > Alstede Farms, LLC > > P.O. Box 278 > > 1 Alstede Farms Lane, > > Chester, New Jersey 07930 > > United States of America > > > > Tel: 908-879-7189 <(908)%20879-7189> > > Fax: 908-879-7815 <(908)%20879-7815> > > www.alstedefarms.com > > > > > > > > [image: fresh discoveries every day] > > > > *From:* apple-crop [mailto:a
Re: [Apple-Crop] Test, IFTA in NZ, and MyIPM
Automated Monday morning orchard clean up Kurt! On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 1:20 PM Kurt Alstede <k...@alstedefarms.com> wrote: > Hello Mo, > > > > I am happy to spend your money…let me know what you need! > > > > Best, > > > > Kurt > > > > *Kurt W. Alstede* > > Founder, Owner, General Manager, > > Alstede Farms, LLC > > P.O. Box 278 > > 1 Alstede Farms Lane, > > Chester, New Jersey 07930 > > United States of America > > > > Tel: 908-879-7189 > > Fax: 908-879-7815 > > www.alstedefarms.com > > > > [image: cid:image001.jpg@01CFB1AF.83320400][image: Picture1] > > > > [image: fresh discoveries every day] > > > > *From:* apple-crop [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.com] *On > Behalf Of *maurice tougas > *Sent:* Sunday, February 18, 2018 11:18 AM > > > *To:* Apple-Crop discussion list <apple-crop@virtualorchard.com> > > *Subject:* Re: [Apple-Crop] Test, IFTA in NZ, and MyIPM > > > > Hey Kurt > > > > Lake Constance is great this time of year! Can I send you a shopping list? > > > > Mo > > > > On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Dean Henry <d...@berrypatchfarm.com> > wrote: > > Had some wooly apple aphid last season, caught too late. First time in 40 > years. what do I do this season? > > Dean Henry > > d...@berrypatchfarm.com > > > > > > > > On Feb 18, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Vincent Philion <vincent.phil...@irda.qc.ca> > wrote: > > > > Say hello to Peter Triloff from MABO while you are there! Have a nice > trip. > > Vincent Philion, agr., M.Sc. > > > Le 18 févr. 2018 à 10:08, Kurt Alstede <k...@alstedefarms.com> a écrit : > > Hello Jon, > > > > Received. Over 9 inches of snow in Northwest New Jersey last night. > Pruning while our colleagues are down under….and heading to Fruchtwelt am > Bodensee in Friedrichshafen, Germany at the end of the week! > > > > Best, > > > > Kurt > > > > *Kurt W. Alstede* > > Founder, Owner, General Manager, > > Alstede Farms, LLC > > P.O. Box 278 > > 1 Alstede Farms Lane, > > Chester, New Jersey 07930 > > United States of America > > > > Tel: 908-879-7189 <(908)%20879-7189> > > Fax: 908-879-7815 <(908)%20879-7815> > > www.alstedefarms.com > > > > > > > > [image: fresh discoveries every day] > > > > *From:* apple-crop [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.com > <apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.com>] *On Behalf Of *Jon Clements > *Sent:* Sunday, February 18, 2018 9:47 AM > *To:* Apple-Crop discussion list <apple-crop@virtualorchard.com> > *Subject:* [Apple-Crop] Test, IFTA in NZ, and MyIPM > > > > Apple-crop has been kind of quiet, I have three things on my mind: > > > > 1.) testing apple-crop to make sure it's still working > > > > 2.) if interested, follow International Fruit Tree Association while in > New Zealand on Twitter using the hashtag #iftaNZ, or by visiting it's > Facebook Page, https://www.facebook.com/IFruitTree/ > > > > 3.) check out the newly revised MyIPM app or both iOS and Android, search > for MyIPM in their respective app stores; the app is designed to help with > fungicide and insecticide resistance management, however, it has lots of > other useful information to make spray decisions, all at your (smartphone) > finger tips -- feedback on using it can be directed at me... > > > > Spring is coming... > > > > Jon > > > > -- > > JMCEXTMAN (aka Jon Clements) > 413.478.7219 <(413)%20478-7219> Verizon > > 413.378.3068 <(413)%20378-3068> Project Fi > > UMass Cold Spring Orchard > > 393 Sabin Street > > Belchertown, MA 01007 > > http://umassfruit.com > > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > > > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > > > > > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > > > > > > -- > > Maurice Tougas > Tougas Family Farm > Northborough,MA 01532 > 508-450-0844 > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > -- Maurice Tougas Tougas Family Farm Northborough,MA 01532 508-450-0844 ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.com http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [Apple-Crop] Test, IFTA in NZ, and MyIPM
Hey Kurt Lake Constance is great this time of year! Can I send you a shopping list? Mo On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Dean Henry <d...@berrypatchfarm.com> wrote: > Had some wooly apple aphid last season, caught too late. First time in 40 > years. what do I do this season? > Dean Henry > d...@berrypatchfarm.com > > > > On Feb 18, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Vincent Philion <vincent.phil...@irda.qc.ca> > wrote: > > Say hello to Peter Triloff from MABO while you are there! Have a nice > trip. > > Vincent Philion, agr., M.Sc. > > Le 18 févr. 2018 à 10:08, Kurt Alstede <k...@alstedefarms.com> a écrit : > > Hello Jon, > > Received. Over 9 inches of snow in Northwest New Jersey last night. > Pruning while our colleagues are down under….and heading to Fruchtwelt am > Bodensee in Friedrichshafen, Germany at the end of the week! > > Best, > > Kurt > > *Kurt W. Alstede* > Founder, Owner, General Manager, > Alstede Farms, LLC > P.O. Box 278 > 1 Alstede Farms Lane, > Chester, New Jersey 07930 > United States of America > > Tel: 908-879-7189 <(908)%20879-7189> > Fax: 908-879-7815 <(908)%20879-7815> > www.alstedefarms.com > > > > [image: fresh discoveries every day] > > *From:* apple-crop [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.com > <apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.com>] *On Behalf Of *Jon Clements > *Sent:* Sunday, February 18, 2018 9:47 AM > *To:* Apple-Crop discussion list <apple-crop@virtualorchard.com> > *Subject:* [Apple-Crop] Test, IFTA in NZ, and MyIPM > > Apple-crop has been kind of quiet, I have three things on my mind: > > 1.) testing apple-crop to make sure it's still working > > 2.) if interested, follow International Fruit Tree Association while in > New Zealand on Twitter using the hashtag #iftaNZ, or by visiting it's > Facebook Page, https://www.facebook.com/IFruitTree/ > > 3.) check out the newly revised MyIPM app or both iOS and Android, search > for MyIPM in their respective app stores; the app is designed to help with > fungicide and insecticide resistance management, however, it has lots of > other useful information to make spray decisions, all at your (smartphone) > finger tips -- feedback on using it can be directed at me... > > Spring is coming... > > Jon > > -- > JMCEXTMAN (aka Jon Clements) > 413.478.7219 <(413)%20478-7219> Verizon > 413.378.3068 <(413)%20378-3068> Project Fi > UMass Cold Spring Orchard > 393 Sabin Street > Belchertown, MA 01007 > http://umassfruit.com > > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > > > _______ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > > > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > > -- Maurice Tougas Tougas Family Farm Northborough,MA 01532 508-450-0844 ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.com http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [Apple-Crop] To head, or not to head: that is the tall spindle question.
By the way HI TERRANCE! Nice to hear from you. Is this your way of an announcement or something? Missed you. Mo On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 5:11 AM, maurice tougas <appleman.maur...@gmail.com> wrote: > Doug > We make whips work as well as feathered trees by growing the tree strongly > the first couple years. Don't head, get them to 10' asap.I've found they > fill in fine over the next two or three years. Whips won't produce as > quickly as well feathered though. At times we are sold "feathered" trees > which are actually "branched" trees that need to have branches removed so > as to allow tree to gain height and allow for feather development. The only > things I head, or pinch, are feathers in top one third of tree to reduce > auxin production and encourage more feathers below. Maxcel may help, but > frankly I've done a couple of controlled trials and after year three can't > find treated trees. > > Mo Tougas > > > On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 5:25 PM, Doug Nelson <Doug.Nelson@nelsonmultimedia. > com> wrote: > >> Forgot to mention the picture I have attached is an example of one of >> these poorly feather trees. My wires are two feet apart so you can see that >> this tree is almost seven foot tall. >> >> On Jul 3, 2017 4:22 PM, Doug Nelson <doug.nel...@nelsonmultimedia.com> >> wrote: >> >> I'm in my second year of growing apples. This year we planted 5000 apple >> trees tall spindle style. These will be used for upick. >> >> The nursery I bought from gave me about a thousand terrible trees with >> almost no feathers. >> >> I have sprayed heavily with Maxell to encourage lateral bud growth. Has >> not work that well. >> >> My Orchard is located right next to one of the Chicagolands largest >> commercial tree nurseries. The field manager of the nursery recently >> stopped by and told me he would encourage lateral growth by heading all of >> these poorly feathered trees. >> >> I know the rule with tall spindle is generally you never had the tree, >> but I think the assumption is that you have a lot of feathers. >> >> Has anyone ever headed poorly feather trees to encourage lateral growth? >> What were your results? >> >> >> >> _______ >> apple-crop mailing list >> apple-crop@virtualorchard.com >> http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop >> >> > > > -- > Maurice Tougas > Tougas Family Farm > Northborough,MA 01532 > 508-450-0844 <(508)%20450-0844> > -- Maurice Tougas Tougas Family Farm Northborough,MA 01532 508-450-0844 ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.com http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [Apple-Crop] To head, or not to head: that is the tall spindle question.
Doug We make whips work as well as feathered trees by growing the tree strongly the first couple years. Don't head, get them to 10' asap.I've found they fill in fine over the next two or three years. Whips won't produce as quickly as well feathered though. At times we are sold "feathered" trees which are actually "branched" trees that need to have branches removed so as to allow tree to gain height and allow for feather development. The only things I head, or pinch, are feathers in top one third of tree to reduce auxin production and encourage more feathers below. Maxcel may help, but frankly I've done a couple of controlled trials and after year three can't find treated trees. Mo Tougas On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 5:25 PM, Doug Nelson < doug.nel...@nelsonmultimedia.com> wrote: > Forgot to mention the picture I have attached is an example of one of > these poorly feather trees. My wires are two feet apart so you can see that > this tree is almost seven foot tall. > > On Jul 3, 2017 4:22 PM, Doug Nelson <doug.nel...@nelsonmultimedia.com> > wrote: > > I'm in my second year of growing apples. This year we planted 5000 apple > trees tall spindle style. These will be used for upick. > > The nursery I bought from gave me about a thousand terrible trees with > almost no feathers. > > I have sprayed heavily with Maxell to encourage lateral bud growth. Has > not work that well. > > My Orchard is located right next to one of the Chicagolands largest > commercial tree nurseries. The field manager of the nursery recently > stopped by and told me he would encourage lateral growth by heading all of > these poorly feathered trees. > > I know the rule with tall spindle is generally you never had the tree, but > I think the assumption is that you have a lot of feathers. > > Has anyone ever headed poorly feather trees to encourage lateral growth? > What were your results? > > > > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > > -- Maurice Tougas Tougas Family Farm Northborough,MA 01532 508-450-0844 ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.com http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [Apple-Crop] Newbie Orchardist questions Herbicide on First Year Plantings
Try Scythe made by Gowan. It is quite a bit more expensive but also quite a bit safer for someone new to the practice. It works similarly to Gramoxone when used at the higher labeled rates. Mo Tougas On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Kushad, Mosbah M <kus...@illinois.edu> wrote: > Try Groamxone..It is a burning herbicide that we use to burn weeds and > sometimes suckers. It contains Paraquat, which is not mobile inside the > plant. You do not want to use Roundup because it moves inside the suckers > into the tree.. Mosbah > > > > *From:* apple-crop [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.com] *On > Behalf Of *Wes Cherry > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 10, 2017 11:27 AM > *To:* Apple-Crop discussion list <apple-crop@virtualorchard.com> > *Subject:* Re: [Apple-Crop] Newbie Orchardist questions Herbicide on > First Year Plantings > > > > Thanks Mosbah, > > > > That's a good list. > > > > I am concerned about hitting root suckers with herbicides and impacting > the tree. Is there a recommended herbicide that will not be translocated > and burn off the leaves of the suckers? Then follow later with an > application of a more effective herbicide. > > -'//es Cherry > > Dragon's Head Cider > > Vashon Island, Wa US > > www.dragonsheadcider.com > > > > > > > On May 10, 2017, at 8:18 AM, Kushad, Mosbah M <kus...@illinois.edu> wrote: > > Doug: Here is a good list of herbicides and when to apply them. ( > http://www.aces.edu/pubs/docs/I/IPM-0011/IPM-0011.pdf). > > there are a few that you may be able to use.. (for example Gromaxone, > Rely, Fusilade, Post) read the label, but a hooded sprayer and protection > of the tree trunk are highly encouraged. > > > > Mosbah Kushad, University of Illinois > > > > *From:* apple-crop [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.com > <apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.com>] *On Behalf Of *Doug Nelson > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 10, 2017 8:56 AM > *To:* Apple-Crop discussion list <apple-crop@virtualorchard.com> > *Subject:* [Apple-Crop] Newbie Orchardist questions Herbicide on First > Year Plantings > > > > I have a new tall spindle orchard planted in an alfalfa field this > spring. I did not realize how much work it would be to mechanically weed > the orchard. All the orchards I have visited have told me not to use > herbicides for the first year on newly planted trees. There is a > conventional nursery across the street that uses barrier on new trees. > > > > Does anyone have a herbicide they are using on new trees or stick to > mechanical? > > > > -- > > Doug Nelson > > President > > Nelson Multimedia Inc. > > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > > > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > > -- Maurice Tougas Tougas Family Farm Northborough,MA 01532 508-450-0844 ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.com http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
[Apple-Crop] Cueva/Double Nickel
A couple years ago I recall discussion regarding the use of Cueva/Double Nickel combination as an alternative and/or rotation with strep for fireblight management. Is anyone aware of further research regarding this combination esp as to regards to crop safety and efficacy ? Mo Tougas -- Maurice Tougas Tougas Family Farm Northborough,MA 01532 508-450-0844 ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.com http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [Apple-Crop] A lighter note
Art I agree that it's great to be out pruning. I disagree that you should expect a longer productive life with high density systems. My goal here is to be looking at replanting when the orchard reaches twenty years or so. New varieties, strains of varieties and improved planting system encourage 5% renewal in my opinion. My best to you Mo Tougas On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 1:27 PM, George Greene <cortla...@icloud.com> wrote: > Art: > > Your comment makes sense to me. Right now I have a cold and I fell on the > ice on Dec. 29th and I am still suffering. Pt may help but it may take a > while. > > I suppose that you are enjoying the warmer weather. > > Be well, George > > On Jan 30, 2017, at 12:43 PM, kellyorchards <kellyorcha...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Ruminations after a morning pruning. The weather is ideal. The temps are > in the high 20's, the wind is light and the sun is shining. Weather like > this is why we live here. Permanent limbs ultimately and inevitably get > too large. This is why high density systems can have a longer productive > life than less dense orchards. > > > > > Art Kelly > Kelly Orchards > Acton, Maine > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > > > George Greene > 68 Willow Lane > Wiscasset, ME 04578 > 207-882-8074 <(207)%20882-8074> > cortla...@icloud.com > > > > > > _______ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > > -- Maurice Tougas Tougas Family Farm Northborough,MA 01532 508-450-0844 ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.com http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
