[apple-crop] Exirel
Does anyone have any experience with Exirel. It looks like a good material for a petal fall insecticide. I'm concerned that it has an oil component and am wondering about phytotoxicity when combined in a tank mix. -- Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
[apple-crop] wind chill
Does anyone have a handle on how wind chill relates to fruit bud critical temps. We are expecting -11F tonight with a wind chill effect of around -30 F. -- Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] apple size
We are trying some hard-cider blends with them Mo. Art On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 8:53 PM, maurice tougas <appleman.maur...@gmail.com> wrote: > "JuicyGold". > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 8:18 PM, Shoemaker, William H < > wshoe...@illinois.edu> wrote: > >> What region did you observe the Morren's Jonagored Supra on B9 Jon? Can >> you say something about chilling requirement for that cultivar? I think >> Jonagold is an excellent apple for fresh eating. If the New England Apple >> Association wants to brand it, I think they are making a good choice. >> >> Bill >> >> *William H. Shoemaker * >> >> *Retired fruit and vegetable horticulturist* >> >> *University of Illinois* >> >> wshoe...@illinois.edu >> -- >> *From:* apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [ >> apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] on behalf of Jon Clements [ >> jon.cleme...@umass.edu] >> *Sent:* Sunday, January 10, 2016 4:56 PM >> *To:* Apple-crop discussion list >> *Subject:* Re: [apple-crop] apple size >> >> Root pruning: YES >> Withhold nitrogen: YES >> Minimize dormant pruning, do some summer pruning (but don't remove >> fruit): YES >> Use Apogee: YES >> Over-crop: YES maybe, but use NAA and/or Ethrel to promote return bloom >> development >> Use B.9 rootstock (as opposed to M.9): YES >> Make sure you have enough variety to pollinate: YES >> >> I found Morren's Jonagored Supra (Willow Drive) grown on B.9 rootstock to >> be a very nice Jonagold strain. Good crops without too many large fruit. >> Still have to watch biennial bearing. I would plant that strain in a >> heartbeat if I want Jonagold. >> >> Did you hear New England Apple Association is going to brand Jonagold >> apples grown in New England? Not sure, however, what they are calling it? >> >> Any other ideas out there? >> >> Jon >> >> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 10:18 PM, Hugh Thomas <hughthoma...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I've always wondered about root pruning with a deep running and large >>> disk. Just a thought... >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 11:48 AM, David Kollas <kol...@frontier.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Art: >>>> >>>> I don’t know whence the observations or measurements >>>> have come, but I saw a rootstock comparison >>>> in which G202 was said to produce “smaller fruit size.” For >>>> the reason you mention, I hope this is true, and of >>>> more than just statistical significance. I suspect that if it >>>> were a practical difference, we would have heard more >>>> about it. >>>> >>>> David Kollas >>>> Kollas Orchard, Connecticut >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 9, 2016, at 12:01 PM, Arthur Kelly <kellyorcha...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> > Any suggestions out there for how to reduce fruit size without >>>> getting into biennial bearing as in not thinning? Some varieties >>>> (Jonagold) would be more marketable if they were 2.75 - 3.0" instead of all >>>> more than 3.0". >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Art Kelly >>>> > Kelly Orchards >>>> > Acton, ME >>>> > ___ >>>> > apple-crop mailing list >>>> > apple-crop@virtualorchard.net >>>> > http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop >>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__virtualorchard.net_mailman_listinfo_apple-2Dcrop=BQMFaQ=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ=1ejiT2NQyeKzdraKv8xrAbS0Mb4hB-tICIci2skuNv8=Hqq9Z6y5B9TNZ_9uOOp_yPhDCrjsh2nAbw-m9OO3M3s=V2zkAU1v4QS4CuU-kRUNoAnna22k1wBv9M-ekLVvzyE=> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> apple-crop mailing list >>>> apple-crop@virtualorchard.net >>>> http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop >>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__virtualorchard.net_mailman_listinfo_apple-2Dcrop=BQMFaQ=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ=1ejiT2NQyeKzdraKv8xrAbS0Mb4hB-tICIci2skuNv8=Hqq9Z6y5B9TNZ_9uOOp_yPhDCrjsh2nAbw-m9OO3M3s=V2zkAU1v4QS4CuU-kRUNoAnna22k1wBv9M-ekLVvzyE=> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> apple-crop mailing list >>> a
[apple-crop] apple size
Any suggestions out there for how to reduce fruit size without getting into biennial bearing as in not thinning? Some varieties (Jonagold) would be more marketable if they were 2.75 - 3.0" instead of all more than 3.0". -- Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
[apple-crop] weather
Should I be worried about this weather? Not that there's anything I can do about it. Mid-December and in the 50's in Maine! -- Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] weather
But we could go to -10 anytime. Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 8:25 AM, <kuffelcr...@kuffelcreek.com> wrote: > Mid-80s here in Southern California, high-chill apples still do fine in > the spring. > > Enjoy it while you can. > > Kevin Hauser > Kuffel Creek Apple Nursery > > On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 08:17:31 -0500, Arthur Kelly <kellyorcha...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Should I be worried about this weather? Not that there's anything I can > do > > about it. Mid-December and in the 50's in Maine! > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.net > http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > -- Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
[apple-crop] Jonagolds
Is anyone interested in about 300 bu of Jonagolds that is not too far from Acton, ME.? -- Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] SWD
Thanks to everyone for the input. Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 9:17 AM, Peter J. Jentsch p...@cornell.edu wrote: Art, Once the fruit is infested, cold storage for 3 days at 33F will kill the majority of larva in the fruit, retaining the integrity of fruit at the time of harvest from further injury. - If the fruit are clean (uninfested) at the time of application AND the material has a high degree of efficacy in reducing SWD egg laying, the fruit will remain clean. - If the fruit has been newly infested with one or more eggs you may get some efficacy from the application to reduce larval activity, with protection from further infestation in the field depending on insecticide efficacy. Its likely they will remain infested with larval activity increasing in storage unless cold treated. - Sound stone fruit are much less likely to be infested. We have only reared a singly fly from sound peach. We have seen oviposition on plum with no fly emergence. Blueberry have shown to be much less attractive to SWD then raspberry and blackberry. A 7 day schedule for blueberry using the best materials has been shown to be effective at managing the pest on many farms with consistent pest management programming. In the Hudson Valley a 3d program is required in raspberry and blackberry for commercial quality fruit. Best, Peter J. Jentsch Hudson Valley Laboratory Superintendent Senior Extension Associate - Entomology Department of Entomology, Cornell University Hudson Valley Research Lab P.O. Box 727, 3357 Rt. 9W Highland, NY 12528 Office: 845-691-7151 Cell: 845-417-7465 FAX: 845-691-2719 E-mail: p...@cornell.edu http://www.hudsonvalleyresearchlab.org/ http://blogs.cornell.edu/jentsch/ -- *From:* apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net on behalf of Arthur Kelly kellyorcha...@gmail.com *Sent:* Friday, August 21, 2015 7:36 PM *To:* Apple-Crop *Subject:* [apple-crop] SWD If you apply a 3 day PHI spray for SWD will it continue to protect the fruit in the packing room or retail stand? I'm thinking of peaches or plums and blueberries. -- Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop -- Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
[apple-crop] SWD
If you apply a 3 day PHI spray for SWD will it continue to protect the fruit in the packing room or retail stand? I'm thinking of peaches or plums and blueberries. -- Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] Looking for comments on fire blight management
There seemed to be a lot of late, tail-end bloom(rat-tail) bloom this year especially on Paulared. Every tree had 3-4 clusters on borse shoots into mid-June. We did use one strep spray on several varieties with this bloom. Also it is probably not a good idea to neglect cutting root suckers that may eventually bloom and be susceptible to fire blight. On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Glen Koehler glen.koeh...@maine.edu wrote: Maine had two bouts of fire blight weather during bloom, one at very beginning and second at very end. I suspect that the rapid shift to hot days just before and leading into bloom (after slow cool period from bud break to pink) may have shocked the trees and resulted in more straggled bloom than usual. While we have not had an epic fire blight year comparable to what other states have experienced in other recent years, there seems to be a transition this year. Originally fire blight was not a disease that required attention in Maine. That era ended about 15 years ago. Then, fire blight used to be something that showed up in a few orchards in some years, usually but not always relatively minor extent. This year, it seems that most orchards have a little bit of fire blight. No devastating epidemics this year, but a lot more than growers want to see. Following is off the cuff reply to apple grower dealing with fire blight strikes that keep showing up in Paula Reds. He was wondering if he can ever dig his way back out of recurring fire blight infections. The fire blight has been in the block at low level for past 3-4 years and despite repeated, (though not always immediate) sanitation removal, it is back again this year. Still not at catastrophic level but it does seem to be increasing year to year. Rough guess is that this year 20-30% of Paula Red trees in the block are affected. Most with only one or two strikes, but a few with considerably more. Unfortunately I think the trees are on M26. Across Maine. there seems to be much more fire blight on Paula Red than other cultivars this year. Honeycrisp and Cortland in this same block hardly affected. I'm looking for comments. Did I miss any key points? Anything erroneous? I'm aware of kasugamycin and other alternative materials, but this wasn't the place for getting into that kind of detail. I don't think we have strep resistant E.a., should get some more samples tested though. Is two early season copper applications likely to be any more helpful than one? Post harvest copper make any sense? Thanks for your help, Glen ** Grower message: Fire blight looks like heck in the Paula Red’s! We are just cutting what we can and summer pruning. Is there no hope? Reply:It should slow down with trees ceasing terminal growth. I'm sure you have other things you'd rather be doing, but getting rid of the fire blight now will at least cut down work load later, and might be the thing that prevents further spread that gets to the point where you are looking at replacing trees. Copper every spring. Strep on hand so you can react quickly to blossom blight infection period forecast that you need to check daily because they can change so fast. Factor fire blight into cultivar and rootstock selection. Blossom removal on first year trees.Fertility management to prevent overly lush growth. Consider Apogee where appropriate to reduce shoot growth and thus shoot blight spread. Daily monitoring and removal of fire blight strikes starting a petal fall until end of August. Strep on hand in case hail or strong wind storm creates risk of fire blight spread (up until strep PHI gets in the way). Be careful that you don't mix summer pruning and fire blight removal. They should be handled as two separate jobs.I suspect it would be best to complete fire blight removal first. Summer pruning before fire blight removal will create open wound surfaces. Going in after to handle fire blight material could mobilize bacteria which can infect those wounds. Thus, better to remove fire blight before creating summer pruning wounds. Same thing applies to sucker removal. Thoroughly sterilize tools after using them for fire blight removal before using for anything else. Ugly stub pruning to allow winter removal of cankers created by sanitation cuts. Don't leave fire bight cuttings in the orchard as fire blight bacterial can remain active in dried ooze for 2 years. Burn, bury, or compost the fire blight cuttings. It is possible to work your way out of a moderate fire blight outbreak. But it can take an extended period of sanitation vigilance. There are no silver bullets. ** -- Glen Koehler University of Maine Cooperative Extension Pest Management Office Voice: Office 207-581-3882, Cell 207-485-0918 491 College Avenue, Orono, ME 04473
Re: [apple-crop] management advice for hail damaged orchard?
Is it PYO, retail, or to be packed? A lot depends on the juice market so you would want to prevent as much rot as possible. For the crop insurance what matters is production to count. An apple with enough hail damage to knock it out of U.S. Fcy doesn't count. If it is thinned off it doesn't count either. The crop insurance appraisal work sheet will end up with bu/acre to count. So, if there is 10% of the crop that makes U.S. Fcy or better after a hail event it is the same as a frost event that leaves 10% of a crop. This is the effect of trying to remove the damaged fruit. Technically no appraisal can be done until all thinning is complete though. Also an insured is expected to care for the crop so there is no further damage although if it adjusts to 100% damage now I don't see how it can get worse. Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Jon Clements jon.cleme...@umass.edu wrote: Hi everyone, what would you suggest is good management advice for a 100% hail damage (per crop insurance) orchard. Minimal fungicide and insecticide every few weeks? What about taking the damaged fruit off? Recommended, or does it make a difference? If we should take it off, how? Thanks. Jon -- Jon Clements aka 'Mr Honeycrisp' UMass Cold Spring Orchard 393 Sabin St. Belchertown, MA 01007 413-478-7219 umassfruit.com ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop -- Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] Seedless apples
Thanks Mosbah, The trees are in good vigor, there was good bee activity and pollination weather, the next row of either Gala or Cortland have good fruit set and seed counts. I'm wondering about the effect of thinners. We used Amid at 50 ppm (TRV) at petal fall and then 100 ppm (TRV) Maxcel plus Carbaryl 16 days later at about 12 mm. In the past we have used NAA at 5 ppm with the Carbaryl with the same effect and I had thought the NAA might be the culprit. Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Kushad, Mosbah M kus...@illinois.edu wrote: Hi Art: The “Macoun” variety is a self-sterile apple, like ”Jonagold”. It needs a pollinizer close-by to set a full crop. Jonathan, Granny Smith, Elstar, Grimes Golden, and most crab apples will pollinate Macoun. As for the seeds, they are needed for fruit set and for larger fruit size because they produce the hormone auxin, which makes the cells grow bigger. If you see a lopsided fruit, chances are the bulgy cheek has viable seed(s) but not the other side. Most varieties will drop their fruit if there are no seeds, however some varieties like Macoun will set seedless fruits of small size. If there are plenty of pollinizers nearby, but the fruits did not set seeds, then blame it on the weather that may have kept the bees from bringing pollens from the pollinizer trees. I have seen many fruits on the ground in central Illinois this spring because of the heavy rain and cold weather that we had during bloom, which kept the bees in their hives. Mosbah Kushad, University of Illinois *From:* apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [mailto: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] *On Behalf Of *Arthur Kelly *Sent:* Tuesday, June 23, 2015 11:00 AM *To:* Apple-Crop *Subject:* [apple-crop] Seedless apples Does anyone have any input as to why my Macoun apples fail to develop seeds? The seeds wither but the apples stay and are harvested. They develop fair size but I can't help but think it would be better if they had a full compliment of seeds. The Cortland and Gala on either side have a full compliment of seeds and size well with moderate thinning. -- Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop -- Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
[apple-crop] Seedless apples
Does anyone have any input as to why my Macoun apples fail to develop seeds? The seeds wither but the apples stay and are harvested. They develop fair size but I can't help but think it would be better if they had a full compliment of seeds. The Cortland and Gala on either side have a full compliment of seeds and size well with moderate thinning. -- Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] crop prospects
There were lots of native pollinators working the plum trees when they were in bloom. Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 12:03 AM, David Kollas kol...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Jon: I have been asking myself question like those you have mentioned. Snowball and nearly synchronous bloom is what I have on most varieties here also; and with uncommonly warm temperatures I expected to see a lot of eager honeybees in the trees these past several days. They were not there. Nor in the dandelions that are more abundant than normal around the orchard. Activity at the hives seemed decent, so I wondered whether a solid field of dandelions somewhere else might be attracting them. My beekeeper opened several hives and pointed out the light-colored pollen that had been packed into frame cells…as well as some orange-colored pollen in other cells. He said the lighter yellow indicates apple pollen, and the orange pollen is from dandelions. I didn’t think to ask if the yellow pollen might have been put there several days ago, before the hives were moved to my orchard, but he said he could see bees returning to the hives with yellow pollen on their legs. Today the maximum temperature was only 63F, briefly, and few bees were out of the hives. While setting up some trickle irrigation in my nursery I noticed honeybees buzzing among oak leaves on the ground, under which a surface water-line ran. Bees had found a small leak in the line and seemed to be very happy about it, as dozens of honeybees soon appeared there. So I put water into a pail, with a short length of wood, and floated a terrycloth towel on it. After about ten minutes there dozens of bees spending time on that wet towel. I conclude that apple nectar could not satisfy their thirst…if that is what they wanted water for. David Kollas Kollas Orchard Tolland, Connecticut On May 13, 2015, at 8:58 PM, Jon Clements jon.cleme...@umass.edu wrote: Mostly heavy, snowball bloom here in Massachusetts after modest crop last year. Not sure I have ever seen such a heavy bloom across the board. Temps. in mid to upper 80's preceding and during bloom really moved things along, bee activity was modest to good. There was so much bloom all at once bee activity might have been diluted? Very dry -- does that affect the attractiveness of bloom to bees? Less nectar production? Cold front moved through and now windy and much cooler, scattered frost possible in cold pockets. We're expecting good set and the need to thin aggressively. Heat raised the fire blight danger level, however, little wetting during bloom except for some showers here and there and dew. Will see how that plays out, lots of strep applied after last year. Only one apple scab infection period since April 21 (green tip), clean orchards could have delayed any fungicide application since then until the next rain, but that one will be a doozy probably. Somebody send us a little rain. Every year is so different... Jon On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Arthur Kelly kellyorcha...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know about the rest of you but if we get any kind of pollination weather the crop will be very heavy and difficult to thin. The potential bloom at this point is scary. We are at pink except for cracking some king flowers on Zestar, Paulared, Gingergold etc. -- Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop -- Jon Clements aka 'Mr Honeycrisp' UMass Cold Spring Orchard 393 Sabin St. Belchertown, MA 01007 413-478-7219 umassfruit.com ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop -- Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
[apple-crop] crop prospects
I don't know about the rest of you but if we get any kind of pollination weather the crop will be very heavy and difficult to thin. The potential bloom at this point is scary. We are at pink except for cracking some king flowers on Zestar, Paulared, Gingergold etc. -- Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] Employee vs. Contract labor
The tests usually are: do you supply the tools do you direct them do they have their own liability/workers comp insurance there may be others too Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, Maine On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 11:01 AM, Mark Helen Angermayer angermay...@gmail.com wrote: I plan to hire some high school kids to help me thin fruit this year. They will only be working for about a month it takes to thin the fruit. I'm uncertain if this temporary employment would fall under employees or contract labor. I've looked at the definitions, but still unclear. Some of the requirements of contract labor vs. employees are who provides tools, and who defines work schedule. Obviously there are no tools required for fruit thinning, other than one's hands. I intend be flexible on when the kids can work, so am not setting work times. The kids would be hired individually, not as a thinning crew. The dollar cost is the same to me either way (because I plan on paying more for contract labor and less for employees) but the paperwork is less for contract labor. I'm a very small commercial grower, so FUTA is not a consideration. Any help would be appreciated. Mark Angermayer Tubby Fruits Peach Orchard ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop -- Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] lightning
I am not aware of lightning strikes on any wire trellis systems in our area but that was always one of the selling points for using monofilament instead of wire. Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Steven Bibula sbib...@maine.rr.com wrote: Anyone know of lightning strikes on wire trellised systems, and the effects on the trees? Has anyone studied the attractiveness of these systems to lightning strikes, and whether grounding and foliage has much to do with it? Steven Bibula Plowshares Community Farm Gorham ME ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop -- Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
[apple-crop] Crab apples
Does anyone have any use for some Hyslop crab apples? Not a lot, maybe 20-30 half bushels. -- Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
[apple-crop] Seedless Macoun
An thoughts as to why my Macoun apples could be seedless while the next row of Gala has plenty of seeds. Thinning was Maxcell at full bloom, Carbaryl at petal fall and Maxcell plus Carbaryl at about 10mm. We still had to hand thin a lot off. -- Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] Narrow Tall Spindle Layout
Maximum yield isn't necessarily the same thing as maximum sales. In my opinion, the selling is more important than anything else. Yes, good yields of good quality fruit is important, but being good at selling and how much you are able to get for what you have to sell trumps everything else. If you are able to sell for $40.00/bu what needs to happen to get that price in terms of customer experience is the priority. p.s. No, we are not able to get that much but there are farms in the area that do. We still wholesale a large percentage of the crop. Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, Maine On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 2:13 PM, David Doud david_d...@me.com wrote: not an expert here, but it's my understanding in a spindle system the space between trees in the row is determined by what renewal pruning will fill and that much over 3' between trees in most situations would require permanent woody architecture to keep the space filled, which brings about several horticultural challenges - then the space between rows versus the height of the trees becomes a calculation to maximize yield - in a you-pick situation I'd suggest that maximum yield would be a secondary consideration to logistics - that wider rows and shorter trees for convenience and safety would override a certain percentage of maximum theoretical yield - I shudder to consider what strategies the public might employ to harvest that beautiful apple just out of their reach... if my understanding is incorrect, feel free to challenge - David On Jul 3, 2014, at 11:21 AM, Matt Pellerin wrote: Thanks for the responses. I was thinking of going to a 10 x 3 orchard growing Honeycrisp on M26 and Macoun on Bud 9. I think the 10 x 3 spacing puts the tree height at 8.5' which will work pretty well for pick-your-own. On this kind of spacing, will I still be within the Tall Spindle category? Will I have to make adjustments in my pruning methodology or will the typical tall spindle pruning and training recommendations work? Thanks, Matt On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 8:26 AM, kuffelcr...@kuffelcreek.com wrote: I concur with Dennis' evaluation of Dr. Robinson's videos; this system has forced even stubborn high-chill varieties to transition from vegetative mode to fruiting mode in hot climates and the tropics. I wanted to address Matthew's desire to keep the trees around 6' tall. This sounds like it would take a very dwarfing rootstock like M27; do any of our growers have experience training these as tall spindle? Kevin Hauser Kuffel Creek Apple Nursery Riverside, California Nakifuma, Uganda On Thu, 3 Jul 2014 00:23:19 -0500, dmnor...@royaloakfarmorchard.com wrote: matthew, We have been growing tall spindle in northern Illinois in a pick-your-own orchard for around 5 or 6 years now. The system has been improving over the years and currently the newer spacing being recommended by Dr. Terence Robinson from Cornell is around 12' x 3'. I highly recommend watching the videos at YouTube he did at the Winter Apple School in Henderson County, NC found at http://youtu.be/gJF4wLgXnK8 After viewing this video and others on the BRCC TV - The Educational Channel on YouTube covering the Tall Spindle System, we will be making the recommended changes to our current system of 14' x 4'. Hope this helps. Dennis Norton IPM Specialist/Certified Nurseryman Royal Oak Farm Orchard 15908 Hebron Rd. Harvard, IL 60033-9357 Office (815) 648-4467 Mobile (815) 228-2174 Fax (609) 228-2174 http://www.royaloakfarmorchard.com http://www.royaloakfarmorchard.blogspot.com - Original Message - From: Matt Pellerin To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 2:55 PM Subject: [apple-crop] Narrow Tall Spindle Layout I am a grower in central Maine that operates a pick-your-own orchard. I will be planting a tall spindle orchard next year. I would like to plant the rows as narrow as possible in combination with shorter trees so the customers can reach more of the fruit. My orchard tractor is 54 wide. How narrow can I plant my tall spindle orchard with this equipment? Also, what would be the appropriate tree height at the narrow row spacing? Thanks, -- Matthew Pellerin Agricultural Manager Treworgy Family Orchards 3876 Union St Levant, ME 04456 www.treworgyorchards.com 207-884-8354 -- ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop -- Matthew Pellerin Agricultural Manager Treworgy Family Orchards 3876
[apple-crop] OBLR
Is there a treatment threshold for pheromone trap captures for OBLR? We averaged 7.5/trap today. We trapped the first adults on 6/20, one per trap. -- Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
[apple-crop] Peach tree borers
Would having mating disruption ties in the orchard interfere with pheromone trap captures of both greater and lesser peach tree borer? -- Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
[apple-crop] Fwd: The Conversation: Is purely organic the best way to farm in Maine?
Well articulated. Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, Maine -- Forwarded message -- From: kellyorcha...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 7:56 AM Subject: The Conversation: Is purely organic the best way to farm in Maine? To: kellyorcha...@gmail.com [image: The Press Herald] http://www.pressherald.com * Please note, the sender's email address has not been verified. Well articulated. Click the following to access the sent link: The Conversation: Is purely organic the best way to farm in Maine? http://www.emailthis.clickability.com/et/emailThis?clickMap=viewThisetMailToID=315095974 * View the most EMAILED for today from The Press Herald [image: The Press Herald] 1. Maine beekeepers assess hives after endless winter http://www.emailthis.clickability.com/et/emailThis?clickMap=viewTopTenItemurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pressherald.com%2Fnews%2F256627531.htmltitle=Maine+beekeepers+assess+hives+after+endless+winter+articlePartnerID=561087 [image: The Press Herald] 2. More help in Maine for a hidden problem: hoarding http://www.emailthis.clickability.com/et/emailThis?clickMap=viewTopTenItemurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pressherald.com%2Fnews%2F256928201.htmltitle=More+help+in+Maine+for+a+hidden+problem%3A+hoarding+articlePartnerID=561087 [image: The Press Herald] 3. Military shoe pledge a possible boon to Maine sneaker plants http://www.emailthis.clickability.com/et/emailThis?clickMap=viewTopTenItemurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pressherald.com%2Fnews%2F256768251.htmltitle=Military+shoe+pledge+a+possible+boon+to+Maine+sneaker+plants+articlePartnerID=561087 [image: The Press Herald] 4. Maine Voices: Little changed since Bangladesh factory tragedy http://www.emailthis.clickability.com/et/emailThis?clickMap=viewTopTenItemurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pressherald.com%2Fopinion%2F256774631.htmltitle=Maine+Voices%3A+Little+changed+since+Bangladesh+factory+tragedy+articlePartnerID=582767 [image: The Press Herald] 5. Secrets linger in ?Wyeth country? http://www.emailthis.clickability.com/et/emailThis?clickMap=viewTopTenItemurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pressherald.com%2Flife%2Faudience%2F256771821.htmltitle=Secrets+linger+in+%E2%80%98Wyeth+country%E2%80%99+articlePartnerID=585897 [image: SAVE THIS link]http://www.savethis.clickability.com/st/saveThisPopupApp?clickMap=saveFromETpartnerID=582777etMailToID=315095974 [image: FORWARD THIS link]http://www.emailthis.clickability.com/et/emailThis?clickMap=forwardetMailToID=315095974partnerID=582777 Get your EMAIL THIS Browser Button and use it to email content from any Web site. Click herehttp://www.emailthis.clickability.com/et/emailThis?clickMap=browserButtonsfor more information. *This article can also be accessed if you copy and paste the entire address below into your web browser. http://www.pressherald.com/life/The_Conversation__Is_purely_organic_the_best_way_to_farm_in_Maine__.html -- Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
[apple-crop] Captan and russet
Is there other than anecdotal evidence as to Captan/Captec's role in the russeting we saw in 2013? What about the effect of adjuvants such as LI700? Also, who has experience with bloom thinning with ATS? -- Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] Southwest Injury
Years ago we pruned some Red Del in December with similar injury that followed on larger trees. We stapled the bark tight on both sides and the trees recovered but with a permanent seam where the bark had split. The trees were about 12 in diameter. Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Peck, Greg greg.p...@vt.edu wrote: Apple-Crop participants, Like everyone else in the Eastern half of the US, we've had a particularly cold and snowy winter in Virginia. Not surprisingly, I am starting to hear reports about Southwest injury to young trees. While there is a lot of information available on how to prevent southwest injury, I have not been able to find much information on how to deal with the trunks after the damage has been done. Typically, growers in Virginia have do not paint trunks with latex paint, but many will probably reconsider that decision in future years. Many trees are probably not going to make it, but I'm wondering if anyone has experience trying to save some of the less severely injured trees with bridge-grafts. How about wrapping the bark with grafting tape to try to get the wounds to heal? (I'm guessing that this will have a low success rate because the tissue has already dried out.) Depending upon how far into the rootstock the split extends and the age of the tree, we might also try cutting off the scion and hoping an advantageous bud breaks dormancy. Any other suggestions from those who have to deal with Southwest Injury on a more annual basis? Thanks, Greg Gregory Michael Peck, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Horticulture Virginia Tech Alson H. Smith, Jr. Agricultural Research and Extension Center 595 Laurel Grove Road Winchester, VA 22602 USA 540/869-2560 ext 19 greg.p...@vt.edu arec.vaes.vt.edu/alson-h-smith www.anr.ext.vt.edu/tree-fruit/ blogs.ext.vt.edu/tree-fruit-horticulture www.facebook.com/VtechPomology ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop -- Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
[apple-crop] Tall spindle trellis
What is the longest length of trellis for tall spindle apple planting that growers have experience with? -- Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
[apple-crop] Unusual McIntosh trees
I have some McIntosh on M111 that have an unusual growth habit. They grow shoots in sweeping curves and both the fruit and leaf petioles hang on. There are petioles out there today. There may be an association with black rot. Any other thoughts? -- Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
[apple-crop] apple tree size and planting density
I have been ruminating over a recent exchange concerning tree size, density and longevity. A few thoughts not in any order or organization but as they occur to me. All orchards have a support system. If it is not posts, wires and stakes then it is large permanent limbs. If fruit is born on limbs that are no larger than your finger (some maintain pencil size) then you want a canopy of that size wood. The problem with permanent limbs is that they eventually get too large and contribute to trees that are too large. Those permanent limbs eventually become unproductive except for the very ends which you keep cutting back too. When you remove those large limbs then the resulting regrowth is overly vigorous. It seems to me that a system that has no permanent limbs will be more consistently productive of high quality fruit because you have new productive wood in the canopy all the time. It also seems to me that such a system is likely to have a longer useful productive life than a system with permanent limbs that has been planted too closely and eventually will have to be fought with to maintain and becomes overly vigorous and loses both productivity and fruit quality. The life of an orchard is more often determined by the economics of the value of the variety, productivity and efficiency of operation than by tree age or size. If you plant an orchard with the idea that it is permanent then at some point you will have an old orchard of varieties that are out of favor, of poor quality and inefficient to operate. There are few industries that are still selling the same product they were fifty years ago and producing it with the same fifty year old technology. -- Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
[apple-crop] Northern Spy and retain
Does anyone out there have any experience with using retain for a stop drop on Northern Spy? Also, what about pears? -- Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] Residual pesticide activity
There is a recommendation to add sugar when making an application of Assail for SWD on berries to stimulate feeding. 1-2 lbs per hundred gal. What about for apples when using Assail or Delegate for instance? My understanding is that when first emerged the flies feed. FYI we trapped the first AM fly on 8/2 here. Only one on five traps. Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 1:33 PM, David Kollas kol...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Thank you, Art. It is always better to know whether the most-informed have the answers; or whether, instead, they are not sure either. The uncertainty that Reissig expressed in his paper of 2003 apparently continues now ten years later. In that paper he indicated the need for additional research to assess practical aspects of replacing organophosphates with newer chemistries in commercial orchards. A practical aspect of using Calyso or Assail in leu of Imidan that is separate from their mode of action on Apple Maggot, is the question of how to incorporate them into a label-compliant resistance-management program that includes control of many pests in addition to Apple Maggot. David On Aug 2, 2013, at 11:53 AM, Arthur M. Agnello wrote: Hi David, Harvey Reissig did a study on the efficacy of some of the newer products against apple maggot, and published it some years ago: Reissig, W. Harvey. 2003. Field and Laboratory Tests of New Insecticides Against the Apple Maggot, Rhagoletis pomonella (Walsh) (Diptera: Tephritidae). Journal of Economic Entomology 96 (5): 1463-1472 — I will send you a pdf of it in a separate email. However, his general findings were that there are no new insecticides that are as effective in controlling AM as the organophosphates, particularly in “high pressure situations”. It is also true that most of the new materials are not as directly toxic to the flies as the OPs, and the efficacy of many these new materials appears to be due to their ability to prevent flies from ovipositing as long as they are in contact with their residues. We really don’t know the mechanism of this mode of action, but in many laboratory bioassays the flies will not lay eggs on treated apples, although they remain alive. So far, we would say that in most normal US orchards, which are presumed to be initially free from internal AM infestations and are not near abandoned orchards and other large sources of unsprayed host trees, we have not seen control failures or even increased damage in orchards that are not treated with organophosphates, although AM catches in monitoring traps placed along the edges of these orchards appears to be higher than when they were sprayed with organophosphates. As far as efficacy, Calypso is definitely the most effective of the new insecticides, followed by Assail. Delegate and Altacor also have some activity, but would probably not provide control in orchards with internal infestations or those that are near heavy unsprayed sources of infestations. Art -- Arthur M. Agnello Professor and Extension Tree Fruit Entomologist Dept. of Entomologya...@cornell.edu N.Y.S. Agric. Expt. Sta.Tel: 315-787-2341 630 W. North St. Fax: 315-787-2326 Geneva, NY 14456-1371 http://web.entomology.cornell.edu/agnello/links.html Scaffolds Fruit Journal online: http://www.scaffolds.entomology.cornell.edu/index.html From: Dave Kollas kol...@sbcglobal.net Reply-To: Apple-crop discussion list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net Date: Fri, Aug 2 10:44 AM To: Apple-crop discussion list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net Subject: Re: [apple-crop] Residual pesticide activity Thank you for that, Peter. I suppose that if the systemic activity of neonics is sufficient to kill Apple Maggot eggs or larvae during a (two week?) period after application, and up to 2 inches rainfall, they could be expected to be as good as Imidan or Guthion, regardless of whether the adults are killed by fruit or foliar contact. Or, perhaps female flies are killed by ovipositor contact with systemic neonic during egg insertion? My guess is that such studies have not been made. David Kollas On Aug 2, 2013, at 8:55 AM, Peter J. Jentsch wrote: Hi David, John Wise, **Michigan State University, Department of Entomology, wrote a very nice piece on the 'Rainfast characteristics of fruit crop insecticides' that might help to answer these questions. It was posted on June 3, 2013. http://msue.anr.msu.edu/news/rainfast_characteristics_of_fruit_crop_insecticides All the best, Peter J. Jentsch Senior Extension Associate - Entomology Department of Entomology Cornell University’s Hudson Valley Lab P.O. Box 727, 3357 Rt. 9W Highland, NY 12528 Office: 845-691-7151 Cell: 845-417-7465 FAX: 845-691-2719 E-mail: p...@cornell.edu http://hudsonvf.cce.cornell.edu/bmsb1.html
Re: [apple-crop] Hort Research Position in the Beautiful Bitterroot Valley
Are you going to apply George? On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 1:18 PM, George Greene g...@psu.edu wrote: Hi All: I visited this site and the scientist there on my return trip from Wenatchee to PA. It looks like a very nice place to work and live. Best regards, George Greene Sent from our iMac George and Pat Greene 68 Willow Lane Wiscasset, ME 04578 g...@psu.edu 207-882-8074 Cell: 207-522-9431 On Jul 23, 2013, at 10:43 AM, Fleming, William wrote: Best location in Montana with much public support. Details http://www.montana.edu/jobs/faculty/13-372 ** ** ** ** ** ** ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop -- Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] Stone fruit trunk painting
Yeah, got it. Thanks On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 10:29 AM, robjwal...@gmail.com wrote: and 1/3 joint compound. Also, make sure that the latex paint is interior paint not exterior paint. Exterior paints have fungicides mixed into them which may be harmful to your trees. Bob Walter On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Kevin Hauser ke...@kuffelcreek.comwrote: 1/3 water 1/3 white latex paint On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 08:45:51 -0400, Arthur Kelly kellyorcha...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone know the recipe for trunk painting including joint compound? ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
[apple-crop] PF Lucky 13
How about this one. Last year we picked Lucky 13 2 days before we started Red Haven. The literature seems to say Lucky 13 should be 2-3 days after Red Haven. What is the experience there? Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] Stone fruit trunk painting
Thanks Win, We only have a little over 2 acres so painting it on may make the most sense rather than a dedicated tank and pump. We have been regularly trapping both GPTB and LPTB this year and I have been using Baythroid in my cover sprays for that and a trunk spray of Lorsban in the fall after harvest. To date we have not experienced trunk injury from the cold. Unfortuately the pheromone mating disrupter twist ties are not available in Maine. I expect to get up to 4-5 acres of peaches until they all get killed some winter as they did in 2003-04 but at 2+ acres I may be the largest peach grower in Maine. Art Kelly ps What are we all doing on the internet on a sunny Sunday morning? On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Win Cowgill cowg...@njaes.rutgers.eduwrote: Art- Stone fruit trunk spraying is primarily for Southwest Injury to the trunks. We also paint apples for the same reason but find that it also helps prevent rodent injury as well. In the past we have added Thiram technical to the apple mix to assist with rodent control but I no longer see an apple label for Thiram. Only the Chemtura Thiram has a NJ label for stone fruit. Thiram has been loosing its labels for years and is hard to find. - Make sure to check your state lables before using Thiram. On paint mixing, my guidance is always use the cheapest exterior white latex paint you can buy- the reason is the cheeper paint has the lowest acrylic content meaning less toxic to trees- I find the cheapest paint is usually the turf paint (used to paint lines on athletic fields) in 5 gallon pails. Shop around. We make a white wash of 60/40 water to paint and use a handgun sprayer with dedicated tank and roller pump to make the applications. You can adjust the ratio to make the right consistency to use in your sprayer. We also use the same tank setup for Borer trunk sprays on stone fruit. You want a nice white trunk and make sure to cover the lower branch/crotch's in stone fruit, they are most suceptable to winter injury. Win Cowgill Editor Horticultural News Professor and Area Fruit Agent New Jersey Agricultural Experiment Station Rutgers Cooperative Extension PO Box 2900 314 State Route 12, Bldg. 2 Flemington, NJ 08822-2900 Office 908-788-1339 Fax- 908-806-4735 Email: cowg...@njaes.rutgers.edu www.horticulturalnews.org/ www.virtualorchard.net/ http://virtualorchard.net/njfruitfocus/index.html www.snyderfarm.rutgers.edu/investigators/cowgill.html www.appletesters.net On Jul 14, 2013, at 8:45 AM, Arthur Kelly kellyorcha...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone know the recipe for trunk painting including joint compound? ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] Stone fruit trunk painting
It seems like past discussions indicated that adding the joint compound helped repel borers. What do you think? Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Kurt W. Alstede k...@alstedefarms.comwrote: Gentlemen: ** ** Please find below our top secret recipe. We have never had any adverse effects from exterior paint…in fact we add the fungicide to help protect the tree against wounds and the thiram acts as a rodent repellent. We use the cheapest white exterior paint that we can find and generally spray it on as a white wash with a handgun from the bottom twelve inches of the scaffold limbs to the ground. ** ** Hope that this helps. ** ** ** ** PEACH TREE PAINT RECIPE. ** ** 1 GAL WHITE EXTERIOR LATEX PAINT 2 GAL WATER. ( 1 PART PAINT X 2 PARTS WATER ) ½ POUND OF THIRAM PER GALLON OF WHITEWASH. 2 TABLESPOONS OF TOPSIN-M PER GALLON OF WHITEWASH. MIX WHITEWASH, AND ADD THIRAM AND TOPSIN-M. STIR THOROUGHLY. APPLY TO THE TREES WITH PAINT BRUSHES OR SPRAY GUN 12 TO 18 INCHES AFTER SCAFFOLDS WITH DAYTIME TEMPERATURES ABOVE 50 DEGREES F. ** ** ** ** *Kurt W. Alstede* General Manager, Alstede Farms, LLC P.O. Box 278 84 County Route 513 S. (Old Rt. 24) Chester, New Jersey 07930 United States of America ** ** Tel: 908-879-7189 Fax: 908-879-7815 www.alstedefarms.com ** ** ** ** *From:* apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [mailto: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] *On Behalf Of *Arthur Kelly *Sent:* Sunday, July 14, 2013 8:46 AM *To:* Apple-Crop *Subject:* [apple-crop] Stone fruit trunk painting ** ** Does anyone know the recipe for trunk painting including joint compound?** ** ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] Stone fruit trunk painting
Thanks Kevin. Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Kevin Hauser ke...@kuffelcreek.com wrote: 1/3 water 1/3 white latex paint On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 08:45:51 -0400, Arthur Kelly kellyorcha...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone know the recipe for trunk painting including joint compound? ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] Stone fruit trunk painting
We are in the mid-80's here Jon. We expect to be in the 90's tomorrow. We are starting blueberry (Duke) harvest tomorrow. We should start peach harvest on the 25th-27th with PF 1, PF 5B and Earlystar with Garnet Beauty to follow. Last year we picked PF 1, PF 5B and Earlystar all on the first day of harvest. We might have been a day or two too late on the PF 1. We try to harvest so you can eat them tomorrow. It can be touchy. Maturities seem to sometimes not be what we expect from catalogues and other literature. Art Kelly On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Win Cowgill cowg...@njaes.rutgers.eduwrote: I know of no data on joint compound for lesser or greater peac borer control. Win Win Cowgill Editor Horticultural News Professor and Area Fruit Agent New Jersey Agricultural Experiment Station Rutgers Cooperative Extension PO Box 2900 314 State Route 12, Bldg. 2 Flemington, NJ 08822-2900 Office 908-788-1339 Fax- 908-806-4735 Email: cowg...@njaes.rutgers.edu www.horticulturalnews.org/ www.virtualorchard.net/ http://virtualorchard.net/njfruitfocus/index.html www.snyderfarm.rutgers.edu/investigators/cowgill.html www.appletesters.net On Jul 14, 2013, at 11:17 AM, Arthur Kelly kellyorcha...@gmail.com wrote: It seems like past discussions indicated that adding the joint compound helped repel borers. What do you think? Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Kurt W. Alstede k...@alstedefarms.comwrote: Gentlemen: ** ** Please find below our top secret recipe. We have never had any adverse effects from exterior paint…in fact we add the fungicide to help protect the tree against wounds and the thiram acts as a rodent repellent. We use the cheapest white exterior paint that we can find and generally spray it on as a white wash with a handgun from the bottom twelve inches of the scaffold limbs to the ground. ** ** Hope that this helps. ** ** ** ** PEACH TREE PAINT RECIPE. ** ** 1 GAL WHITE EXTERIOR LATEX PAINT 2 GAL WATER. ( 1 PART PAINT X 2 PARTS WATER ) ½ POUND OF THIRAM PER GALLON OF WHITEWASH. 2 TABLESPOONS OF TOPSIN-M PER GALLON OF WHITEWASH. MIX WHITEWASH, AND ADD THIRAM AND TOPSIN-M. STIR THOROUGHLY. APPLY TO THE TREES WITH PAINT BRUSHES OR SPRAY GUN 12 TO 18 INCHES AFTER SCAFFOLDS WITH DAYTIME TEMPERATURES ABOVE 50 DEGREES F. ** ** ** ** *Kurt W. Alstede* General Manager, Alstede Farms, LLC P.O. Box 278 84 County Route 513 S. (Old Rt. 24) Chester, New Jersey 07930 United States of America ** ** Tel: 908-879-7189 Fax: 908-879-7815 www.alstedefarms.com ** ** ** ** *From:* apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [mailto: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] *On Behalf Of *Arthur Kelly *Sent:* Sunday, July 14, 2013 8:46 AM *To:* Apple-Crop *Subject:* [apple-crop] Stone fruit trunk painting ** ** Does anyone know the recipe for trunk painting including joint compound?* *** ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
[apple-crop] Calcium chloride on Peaches
Calcium chloride on peaches? Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] Assail
Thanks Dennis, Very helpful information. Our sales rep has been saying that Assail should only be counted on for 7 days. We are just getting experience with it. Art Kelly On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:28 AM, dmnor...@royaloakfarmorchard.com wrote: ** Our experience with Assail protection has been 7 to 14 days with a surfactant and no rain. I always subtract 2 days of efficacy for every 1 of rain. I came across an article back in '05 that discussed the new insecticides' effectiveness and saved a copy to http://royaloakfarmorchard.com/pdf/New_insecticides.pdf. Doen't say much about how long protection lasts, but some good info none the less. Hope it might be helpful. Dennis Norton Royal Oak Farm Orchard 15908 Hebron Rd. Harvard, IL 60033-9357 Office (815) 648-4467 Mobile (815) 228-2174 Fax (609) 228-2174 http://www.royaloakfarmorchard.com http://www.theorchardkeeper.blogspot.com http://www.revivalhymn.com - Original Message - *From:* Arthur Kelly kellyorcha...@gmail.com *To:* Apple-Crop apple-crop@virtualorchard.net *Sent:* Sunday, August 26, 2012 11:43 AM *Subject:* [apple-crop] Assail We know that, from experience, Imidan and Guthion offer 14 days of protection from Apple Maggot and Right Guard offers 12 hours of protection. How many days does Assail protect against Apple Maggot? This early maturity/harvest and late AM emergence is making things interesting. We are at 4.5 flies per unbaited trap on 8/24. Imidan on 8/13 or Danitol on 8/29. Mix in SWD and an ongoing peach harvest and it's getting complicated. Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME -- ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
[apple-crop] position open
We are looking for a full-time, year-round employee on the farm. We are a diversified (mostly tree fruit) farm in southern Maine seeing to become more diversified. Duties to include pruning, selling at farmers markets, assisting in production and some supervision. Excellent learning opportunity. Second in command position. Open eyes, ears and mind required. Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME 04001 ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] apple maggot
We usually go 7 days after an application and then go by trapping for the next application. Art Kelly On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Jon Clements cleme...@umext.umass.eduwrote: I would not use less than the label rate of 8 oz. per acre of Assail 30 SG. No consideration for TRV. And yes, if you have an extended AMF problem then re-application at a minimum of 10 days between sprays (depending on weather) is going to be necessary. Jon 2011/6/28 Arthur Kelly kellyorcha...@gmail.com: What is the experience to date with neo-nics(Assail, Calypso, etc) controlling Apple Maggot? We have been able to control Apple Maggot at 1/3-1/2 rates with the OPs on about a 14 day schedule with monitoring using red sticky balls. Will Assail at 1/3-1/2 rate control Apple Maggot? Will the schedule need to be tightened up to 7-10 days? What about TRV? Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop -- JMCEXTMAN Jon Clements cleme...@umext.umass.edu aka 'Mr Liberty' aka 'Mr Honeycrisp' IM mrhoneycrisp 413.478.7219 ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
[apple-crop] apple maggot
What is the experience to date with neo-nics(Assail, Calypso, etc) controlling Apple Maggot? We have been able to control Apple Maggot at 1/3-1/2 rates with the OPs on about a 14 day schedule with monitoring using red sticky balls. Will Assail at 1/3-1/2 rate control Apple Maggot? Will the schedule need to be tightened up to 7-10 days? What about TRV? Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
[apple-crop] position
Opening for an experienced orchard worker. Opportunity to grow with the business. Assist in a progressive atmosphere to produce and market fruit crops. Some supervisory obligations and marketing at farmers markets. Salary and benefits negotiable. Stone fruit and berry experience a plus. Kelly Orchards P.O. Box 48 Acton, ME 04001 ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] Tree height v. row spacing
Con, interestingly, we are at 43 degrees 32' north which is the same as southern France and Northern Italy. Much different climate of course. We still have up to 12 of snow in the orchard and it was in the 30sF today with a stiff NW wind that made it feel colder. Still a good day for pruning. I am going to put in some time to find relative day length and light intensity at various latitudes in some apple growing regions if I can. We may not bloom until late May this year which is always good. We always seem to get better crops with a late bloom. Primarily it moves the harvest of McIntosh, our major variety, later into September and, hopefully cooler weather. Thanks for your input. Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, Me On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 6:44 AM, Con.Traas con.tr...@ul.ie wrote: Hello all, What everyone thus far has said is relevant. Jon's rule-of-thumb of 0.9 x distance from row centre to row centre is good, but not a complete answer. To get to the bottom of this very difficult question requires information like light intensity (the more intensity the better the canopy penetration), latitude (determines average angle of incident light, and consequently shading effects) and proposed width of actual tree row from edge to edge, to name just three factors. Also, it should be borne in mind that in reality most growers do not wish to achieve maximum yield, but rather a balance between maximum quality and yield, and after a certain point, I have no doubt that raising yield further results in lower quality (in terms of soluble solids/sugars in the fruit, in terms of fruit size, and to an extent, fruit colour). Unfortunately I do not have a formula to offer. However, I have been in orchards in different parts of the World, and can say with certainty that one size does not fit all. In my own experience, I have never seen light intensity that matched that in the apple growing area around Hawkes Bay in New Zealand. There I saw orchards with what I would have considered trees which would not allow for enough light penetration. But the light intensity was such that it did penetrate, and what would usually be unproductive inner parts of the tree had apples and leaves, and indeed I was told by my host that the particular orchard of Granny Smith had yielded 150 tons per ha in the past, and I could well believe it. When I visited northern Italy, I saw the most perfect trees trained to a fruit wall, and they must have been perfect 0.9's; just like Jon is suggesting. It was self-evident that light would get to all parts of the canopy, that there would be no unproductive inner canopy due to the narrowness of the tree hedge, and that the balance of yield and quality would be excellent. Having looked at a similar tree wall of about 3.5 metres tall in Belgium close to harvest time, I was disappointed to note that the apples growing on the lowest 50 cm of the wall were poorly coloured and only of juicing quality. In time, this part of the canopy would be lost due to less than optimum light penetration, and that told be that the tree rows were 50cm taller than ideal, as the top 50cm was shading the bottom 50cm. Put simply, in my opinion, for that orchard in Belgium, the 2.5 metres of productive wall should start at 50 cm above the ground, and finish at 3 metres tall; not at 3.5m. In my own orchard in Ireland at more than 52 degrees N, I can only manage a productive canopy of about 2 to 2.2 metres tall (when rows are 3.25 to 3.5 metres apart). If I go taller, then shading of bases becomes a problem again. One of my favourite pastimes is to go into the orchard on a sunny day (we get more cloudy days than sunny ones), and look at where the shadows fall. I know I am correct in my assessment of maximum height for the quality I want to grow, given the light intensity I have to work with. So Art, it is ultimately up to you; you should have an idea of your own situation, and the quality of fruit you want to grow. Experience may in time tell you that you pushed a bit too far, or that you did not go tall enough. I would not recommend deciding your tree height and then your row centres. I would prefer to decide on row centres and thickness of the canopy (to suit machinery, operations etc.) and then work out how high the trees should be allowed to grow. Have fun. Con Traas The Apple Farm Cahir Ireland ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] Tree height v. row spacing
Generally (NNW/SSE) North/South rows, M26 Mac, 8X18, slender pyramid form. What tree height? Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, Me 2011/3/26 maurice tougas appleman.maur...@gmail.com I would agree with Jon, but add a couple of other considerations that I'd use to fine tune your rule. The first would be row orientation. North / South oriented rows will receive more uniform light exposure than trees East / West, and so perhaps an extra percentage of height could be added. Second, training system results in differing depth or density of canopy, and so a system with wider row spacing may result in longer branches which may result in greater shading in the interior of the tree. Systems such as tall spindle, super spindle and maybe fruiting wall systems result in narrower canopies and so there is less depth to the canopy resulting in less distance sunlight must travel to trunk. That said, these systems may well have a more dense canopy than more open, widely spaced trees when pruned properly. The narrower canopies I believe have the advantage, and so the ratio of height to row spacing may again allow for a slightly taller tree. Thirdly, consider hours of sunlight per growing season. I've never seen a zone chart for this. Might be an interesting project for some statistician (Wes!), but developing some sort of sunlight zone similar to traditional hardiness zones should influence height/width ratio. Certainly the number of hours of sunlight, and, it's intensity on average, received in Pasco,WA or Hastings, NZ is appreciably higher than Northborough,MA or Acton,ME and has an influence on ideal height/row width ratio. Mo Tougas Tougas Family Farm Northborough, MA On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 11:50 PM, Jon Clements cleme...@umext.umass.eduwrote: If you are growing hi-density apples, then tree height should be no greater than between-row width. Slightly less (0.9) is even better. Jon 2011/3/25 Arthur Kelly kellyorcha...@gmail.com: What do you all think about required row spacing for various tree heights? Should row width be 1.1, 1.3 or 1.5 X tree height? Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop -- JMCEXTMAN Jon Clements cleme...@umext.umass.edu aka 'Mr Liberty' aka 'Mr Honeycrisp' IM mrhoneycrisp 413.478.7219 ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop -- Maurice Tougas Tougas Family Farm Northborough,MA 01532 508-450-0844 ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
[apple-crop] position opening
I have a position available on my farm. It is for a primary employee after the owner and would require fruit growing experience and would be supervisory in nature. We are a diversified fruit farm (mostly apples), looking at other crops and heading towards more direct marketing. We are currently about 18 acres apples, 2 acres peaches, 1 acre blueberries and some raspberries. Stone fruit and small fruit experience would be a plus. Reply kellyorcha...@gmail.com Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME. ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] Can Organic Agriculture Feed the World?
What are the government subsidies involved? Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME 2011/3/14 Jerome Frecon fre...@aesop.rutgers.edu Bill: It appears the author of the article in Slate is making the claims about feeding and yields but the data he presents was the result of research done by an economist at the USDA. The author lists the USDA web site where the 2008 study is described. I read it and I do not see all of the claims the author makes in the article on the USDA site. It thus appears he is documenting the results in his article by mentioning the USDA site and giving us the link. Thus I do not see how he is not trying to be biased. Many authors in non refereed publications or all forms of media put their own spin on things, I am not sure if that constitutes being biased? Some of the authors claims seem plausible. You mention many things in your response, some of which seem possible. If you or Rodale could provide some documented or peer reviewed science to better explain these statements this would be an excellent rebuttal to the authors claims. For example your mention “The average cost of 20 years of organic food production in Italy remains less than conventional fruits and vegetables with 55,000 certified growers who feed all the school systems”Has there been a peer reviewed study done with documentation on this subject. I am always hungry for good science based information on organic agriculture. I think statements in the article like the following hurt scientists trying to publish information about organic agriculture As Jason Clay, senior vice president of the World Wildlife Fund, writeshttp://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/03/03/a-hybrid-path-to-feeding-9-billion-on-a-still-green-planet/, I think we need a new kind of agriculture—kind of a third agriculture, between the big agribusiness, commercial approach to agriculture, and the lessons from organic and local systems. There are so many contradictions in this statement Is he saying that we need agriculture that is not treated as an agribusiness or commercial? In other words new agriculture is not supposed to generate revenue or be operated at a profit? “And the lessons from organic and locals systems?” Is he saying that all organic and local farmers are not commercial and are not agricultural businesses. This is idiocy. There is no one I hold in higher esteem than a local organic farmer who is commercial and is a viable agribusiness that generates significant revenue and yields, and make a acceptable profit. ** *Jerome L. Jerry Frecon* Agricultural Agent I (Professor 1) Gloucester County Extension Department Head *Cooperative Extension, Gloucester County* 1200 North Delsea Drive, Clayton, N.J. 08312 Phone 856 307-6450 Ext 1 Fax 856 307-6476 http://gloucester.njaes.rutgers.edu *From:* apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [mailto: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] *On Behalf Of *Bill Sciarappa *Sent:* Friday, March 11, 2011 3:57 PM *To:* 'Dave Schmitt'; 'Apple-crop discussion list'; agst...@aesop.rutgers.edu; agfacu...@aesop.rutgers.edu *Subject:* Re: [apple-crop] Can Organic Agriculture Feed the World? Thanks for the article Dave. The main fallacy in it's undocumented and biased assertion (same as Rodale's political advocacy approach) is extrapolating apples to oranges. Comparing US certified production to anything gives a false impression. Our American organic effort lags far behind Australia, China, South America and most parts of Europe. Some certification in these countries is more stringent than US and some is not certified at all yet better in quality than US. Incorporating global organic uncertified would paint a very different and more equitable picture. Regardless, if unlimited human population growth occurs, there will be even more food scarcity and food riots but largely because of a distribution chain problem in less accessible places and human populations that cannot economically afford to pay. The average cost of 20 years of organic food production in Italy remains less than conventional fruits and vegetables with 55,000 certified growers who feed all the school systems. That's existing real world evidence that is gaining in European ag every year. USA policy and economic development funding has done all it can to retard such sustainable growth. Bill Sciarappa *From:* Dave Schmitt [mailto:schm...@aesop.rutgers.edu] *Sent:* Friday, March 11, 2011 2:54 PM *To:* Apple-crop discussion list; agst...@aesop.rutgers.edu; agfacu...@aesop.rutgers.edu *Subject:* Can Organic Agriculture Feed the World? Interesting piece in Slate: http://www.slate.com/id/2287746/ -- ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: Apple-Crop: Useful review on colony collapse disorder
Good review of CCD. We should all pause and consider every time we add a product to the spray tank. On a side note I was waiting for a sandwich in a shop in Hollis NH and was perusing the cooler where they have some very interesting imported beer and saw and purchased an Irish cider known as Magners Oringinal. Even my wife enjoyed it and she is not one for much beyond wine. What can Con tell us abut it? Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME 2010/12/2 Con.Traas con.tr...@ul.ie http://www.lab-times.org/editorial/e_173.html Con Traas, Life Science Dept., University of Limerick. Office SR2-009 Ph. 061 202905 M. 086 6091998
Re: Apple-Crop: Tree Row volume
You're probably correct Con. What do you think about coverage and penetration? Reaching in, say 7-8 ft and up, maybe 14 ft as opposed to 3-4 ft in and 8-10 ft up. This goes to canopy density and the equalizer is the denser canopy of the dwarf planting. What spacings are common on your farm? Our most recent planting is 4.5 ft X13.5 ft and we have a lot of 5 X15 using M9 or Bud 9. Thanks Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 7:02 AM, Con.Traas con.tr...@ul.ie wrote: Hello Art, I would contend that a well-planned properly filled out orchard of dwarf trees (say from seventh year) has just as many leaves as the majority of orchards with standards. If this were not the case the dwarf orchard would not be able to out-yield the standard orchard in tons of crop per acre, which the dwarf orchard clearly is able to do. I think that TRV is over simplistic and really only useful when considering younger dwarf orchards where the volume has not filled out, or older orchards with missing trees etc., or perhaps badly planned orchards where the space is not filled due to trees being spaced too widely. I would certainly hope that new pesticides are researched on fully filled-out dwarf orchards, and not on trees in their second or third leaf. Con Traas The Apple Farm Ireland -- *From:* apple-crop@virtualorchard.net [mailto: apple-c...@virtualorchard.net] *On Behalf Of *Arthur Kelly *Sent:* 07 October 2010 02:55 *To:* Apple-Crop *Subject:* Apple-Crop: Tree Row volume I need to get it off my chest. Sorry everyone. If research on older pesticides was done on standard trees and semi and dwarf trees require less material due to less canopy and newer pesticides were researched on small trees why wouldn't larger trees require more material per acre? Reverse tree row volume if you will. Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME
Re: Apple-Crop: Tree Row volume
The variables can bogle the mind. On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 8:42 AM, Jourdain Jean-Marc jourd...@ctifl.frwrote: Hello all, two more cents Rootstock has a major effect on the ability for a tree to bear a specific ratio of commercial fruit per cube meter of canopy. I agree that the leaves of the variety need to synthesize the same amount of carbohydrates per fruit. But would it be possible that the physiology of the tree (and its efficacy) would be under the influence of roots uptake or roots phytohormons production ? An other way to unbalance the ratio would be that a different growth habit (let’s say more spurs less shoots) would lead to a greater proximity of fruit with efficient leaves, this linked to less leaves for one commercial fruit… I think some colleagues of this list can give some clues. In our conditions we consider that the registration of chemical compounds (g or ml of ai, per 100 liters) are held for an average orchard whose leaves are fully wet with 1000 liters spray for one ha. A possible adaptation for a specific orchard, would be to find the amount of water necessary to wet (at falling drops) this specific orchard and then multiply by the registered regulatory concentration. Doing this drives you to spray half a dose per ha on young orchards and double dose per ha to a huge canopy like chestnuts… this linked to the same interception of ai per leaf. Well not sure to be totally clear but close to Art expression “reverse tree row volume” Best regards Jean Marc Jourdain Ctifl *De :* apple-crop@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple-c...@virtualorchard.net] *De la part de* Con.Traas *Envoyé :* jeudi 7 octobre 2010 13:02 *À :* Apple-Crop *Objet :* RE: Apple-Crop: Tree Row volume Hello Art, I would contend that a well-planned properly filled out orchard of dwarf trees (say from seventh year) has just as many leaves as the majority of orchards with standards. If this were not the case the dwarf orchard would not be able to out-yield the standard orchard in tons of crop per acre, which the dwarf orchard clearly is able to do. I think that TRV is over simplistic and really only useful when considering younger dwarf orchards where the volume has not filled out, or older orchards with missing trees etc., or perhaps badly planned orchards where the space is not filled due to trees being spaced too widely. I would certainly hope that new pesticides are researched on fully filled-out dwarf orchards, and not on trees in their second or third leaf.. Con Traas The Apple Farm Ireland -- *From:* apple-crop@virtualorchard.net [mailto: apple-c...@virtualorchard.net] *On Behalf Of *Arthur Kelly *Sent:* 07 October 2010 02:55 *To:* Apple-Crop *Subject:* Apple-Crop: Tree Row volume I need to get it off my chest. Sorry everyone. If research on older pesticides was done on standard trees and semi and dwarf trees require less material due to less canopy and newer pesticides were researched on small trees why wouldn't larger trees require more material per acre? Reverse tree row volume if you will. Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME
Re: Apple-Crop: A discussion of the vision of doing business
See Peter Drucker, The Five Deadly Business Sins Art Kelly, Kelly Orchards, Acton, ME On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 7:26 PM, David Barclay dcbarc...@optonline.netwrote: John, I think the bottom line regarding the fair price is that we are all subject to the market of our products. That said, - there are many examples in the produce markets of producers creating their own brands and farm retailers providing exceptional products, services and activities which command the extra gross income. I remember in the 1970's buying a brand of peaches called Sunny Slope. These peaches would consistently cost 25% more that the average marks. And, - they were 25% better, bigger size and more consistent quality. You know what? The retailer made more money on the Sunny Slopes, less waste and more appeal to the retail customer. My Dad and Mom started baking apple pies in 1960 for our new farm market. The pies were really good, - the best apples for flavor and homemade crust., perfect spices - baked to a golden brown. Dad set the price back then at $1.25 for a 9 pie. You couldn't keep up with the demand. We worked 7 days a week to build the business. Hundreds of pies were sold, - then thousands, - then 10's of thousands. Was that a fair price? Well, - I guess so because the volume was the answer. Today I look back and think Dad was pretty lucky but for sure he had a vision of what would sell and have appeal. I think this opportunity exists for everyone in agriculture. David Barclay Colts Neck, New Jersey -- The 'Apple-Crop' LISTSERV is sponsored by the Virtual Orchard http://www.virtualorchard.net and managed by Win Cowgill and Jon Clements webmas...@virtualorchard.net. Apple-Crop is not moderated. Therefore, the statements do not represent official opinions and the Virtual Orchard takes no responsibility for the content.
Apple-Crop: trellis posts
Does anyone have any experience or suggestions for pounding or setting line posts for a tree support system into hard-pan? We have 24-30 inches of soil and then hard-pan. Some years ago we tried to auger in posts and had great difficulty penetrating the hard-pan. I'm feeling the posts should go in at least 36 inches with 8-9 ft above ground. We have been using Best Angle stakes but I'm hearing they aren't that long lived due to rust and bending. Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME
Apple-Crop: AI nozzles for airblast sprayers
Hi all, I am considering switching over to air induction nozzles for my orchard sprayer. What is the experience so far in terms of pressure, gallons per acre, the effect of row spacing and tree size etc? Does anyone have any suggestions? Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, Me
Re: Apple-Crop: degree days and apple bloom prediction
Acton, Maine Mar. 31, 2010 McIntosh silver tip Peaches swollen bud Temps in the 70's for Fri and Sat Copper spray on Easter ? This is fun Art Kelly Kelly Orchards On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 9:18 AM, William Sharp bsharp1...@yahoo.com wrote: I am In the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia and we are about 1/2 green tip (or a little further) on Red Delicious. It is supposed to be quite warm the next couple of days and I am trying to predict when apple bloom may be i.e. will it be within the next week. Does anyone have info on using DD to predict bloom? We are not yet at bloom on peaches, but I expect it to start tommorrow.. Bill Sharp
Re: Apple-Crop: Best Angle tree stakes in trellis
We are not overly windy. We recently did experience some 50-60 mph winds with no canopy as yet. We also get the occasional hurricane with the high winds associated with the storm. Our exposure is not great. We have about 25 acres in the orchard and are surrounded by woods so we miss the strongest of the winds. The key seems to be to get the stakes closer than a more substantial wood post and to keep the large limbs out of the tops of the trees. I would space the stakes no further than 30'. They are more likely to bend than pull out. We drive the 10' stakes 2' into the ground. Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, Me 04001 On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:47 PM, deird...@mindspring.com deird...@mindspring.com wrote: I'd like to pick up on the Jan. post about the use of Best Angle tree stakes in a trellis system below. What are the wind conditions in this application below? Are they more susceptible to being pulled over in a cross wind than wooden stakes. -Deirdre Deirdre Birmingham Regan Creek Orchard Mineral Point, WI 53565 [Original Message] From: Jill Kelly kelly...@metrocast.net To: Apple-Crop apple-crop@virtualorchard.net Date: 1/31/2010 7:32:37 PM Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: posts for organic orchard I have some rows that are 375 ft long supported by Best Angle stakes that are in their 14th year. A Vert Axe system on M9 at 5X15. I have been very careful to keep large limbs out of the tops. The Best Angle stakes are the largest ones, 10' long and about every 30'. So far so good. We used the same system in 2002 on more 375' rows. So far so good on those as well. The end anchors are either buried wheel rims or those helix anchors. Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME - Original Message - From: Jon Clements jmcext...@gmail.com To: Apple-Crop apple-crop@virtualorchard.net Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:37 PM Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: posts for organic orchard I am intrigued by the option of using metal stakes (best angle?) for smaller plantings (several acres) and with very hi-density systems (tall-spindle or super spindle, 3 ft or 2 ft between trees respectively) on, for example, B.9 rootstock. But I have been told they will not hold up? I am thinking row lengths of several hundred feet, placing the stakes every 10 meters (30 feet) or so, 10 ft. tall stakes driven 2.5 feet into ground puts the top wire at 7.5 feet. Seems cost-effective, easy to run wires through holes, easy to drive (compared to wood) and should be OK for organic. Need to figure out the end-support I suppose. What am I missing? Jon On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Gary Mount gbmo...@alumni.princeton.edu wrote: I will be planting an orchard for organic production this year and am looking for a solution to obtaining posts. As far as I know, treated posts are not acceptable in the NOP (I would love to stand corrected on this one) and I don,t like metal posts very much. I saw some really nice concrete posts at Fruit Logistica last winter in Berlin, but don't know of any in the USA. Can anyone point me in the right direction? - Gary Mount Terhune Orchards 330 Cold Soil Rd Princeton, NJ 08540 609-924-2310 609-924-8569 fx 609-462-9672 cell -- The 'Apple-Crop' LISTSERV is sponsored by the Virtual Orchard http://www.virtualorchard.net and managed by Win Cowgill and Jon Clements webmas...@virtualorchard.net. Apple-Crop is not moderated. Therefore, the statements do not represent official opinions and the Virtual Orchard takes no responsibility for the content. -- JMCEXTMAN Jon Clements cleme...@umext.umass.edu aka 'Mr Liberty' aka 'Mr Honeycrisp' IM mrhoneycrisp 413.478.7219 -- The 'Apple-Crop' LISTSERV is sponsored by the Virtual Orchard http://www.virtualorchard.net and managed by Win Cowgill and Jon Clements webmas...@virtualorchard.net. Apple-Crop is not moderated. Therefore, the statements do not represent official opinions and the Virtual Orchard takes no responsibility for the content. -- The 'Apple-Crop' LISTSERV is sponsored by the Virtual Orchard http://www.virtualorchard.net and managed by Win Cowgill and Jon Clements webmas...@virtualorchard.net. Apple-Crop is not moderated. Therefore, the statements do not represent official opinions and the Virtual Orchard takes no responsibility for the content. -- The 'Apple-Crop' LISTSERV is sponsored by the Virtual Orchard http://www.virtualorchard.net and managed by Win Cowgill and Jon Clements
Re: Apple-Crop: Variety restrictions in European Union?
Sounds like McIntosh. Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME, USA On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 2:29 AM, Matthias Schmoldt matthias.schmo...@gmx.net wrote: NO WAY. This is not true. It is more a fact, that Cox Orange is not longer any more a variety, which earns money for the grower. The consumer asks for it less and less ( in Germany...)and therefore we cannot achieve good prices for Cox any more. The second reason against the growing of Cox is, that all of the retailers ask for shelf life, firmness and ruggedness of the fruit, and Cox is not performing well in these characteristics. Matthias Schmoldt Obsthof Schmoldt -- Matthias Schmoldt -- Stellenfleth 40 -- 21732 Krummendeich -- Germany -- Tel. 0049-4779-377 -- FAX 0049-4779-921086 -- Mobile 0049-1707538323 - -- i...@obsthof-schmoldt.de -- www.obsthof-schmoldt.de -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple-c...@virtualorchard.net] Im Auftrag von David Kollas Gesendet: Freitag, 22. Januar 2010 20:41 An: Apple-Crop Betreff: Apple-Crop: Variety restrictions in European Union? A customer at our farm retail store today related that a recent visitor from England told him that he could no longer buy his favorite apple variety in England, Cox Orange Pippin. It was his understanding, he said, that commercial growers in England were restricted to growing a certain few varieties. He thought this was a restriction related to England's membership in the European Union. I would be quite surprised to learn that this is true, but have been unsuccessful with my Google search so far. Surely some Apple Crop readers can clear the confusion? David Kollas Kollas Orchard Tolland, CT, USA -- The 'Apple-Crop' LISTSERV is sponsored by the Virtual Orchard http://www.virtualorchard.net and managed by Win Cowgill and Jon Clements webmas...@virtualorchard.net. Apple-Crop is not moderated. Therefore, the statements do not represent official opinions and the Virtual Orchard takes no responsibility for the content. -- The 'Apple-Crop' LISTSERV is sponsored by the Virtual Orchard http://www.virtualorchard.net and managed by Win Cowgill and Jon Clements webmas...@virtualorchard.net. Apple-Crop is not moderated. Therefore, the statements do not represent official opinions and the Virtual Orchard takes no responsibility for the content.
