Re: [Apple-Crop] nitrogen in early spray

2017-03-30 Thread Daniel Cooley 
If you were spreading the urea as granules, maybe. The actual recommendation is 
for 44 lb urea per A, which is about 20 lb N. Since this is in solution and 
should ideally be put on leaves on the tree after harvest, or in the fall on 
leaves on the ground, not much if any of that gets to the soil. Some 
volatilizes pretty quickly, the rest gets tied up in microbes and decaying 
plant matter. By spring it’s pretty much gone. A spring application might allow 
some to get to tree roots. Again, because of the application, I don’t think 
much.

Dan Cooley


> On Mar 21, 2017, at 1:04 PM, maurice tougas  
> wrote:
> 
> Rates I've seen to assist with litter decomposition are 50# urea per acre. 
> Using 25# cal nit makes my leaf/fruit samples test way too high N. Adding 50# 
> urea/acre will blow the Universities testing machinery off the planet!
> 
> Mo Tougas
> 
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Daniel Cooley  > wrote:
> If you’re not chopping leaves, do that first. Then worry about the extra urea.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Mar 21, 2017, at 10:30 AM, Jon Clements > > wrote:
>> 
>> I really question whether the urea will do much extra good given the cool 
>> spring ambient and soil temperatures?
>> 
>> Good luck.
>> 
>> Jon
>> 
>> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 2:24 PM, David Doud > > wrote:
>> So - I applied urea in a spray last november, but I am not impressed with 
>> the breakdown of the apple leaf litter - I just ordered oil and copper for 
>> the first spray this spring and I wonder about adding urea into the mix in 
>> hopes of accelerating decomposition - - any reason not too?
>> 
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Re: [Apple-Crop] nitrogen in early spray

2017-03-21 Thread maurice tougas 
Rates I've seen to assist with litter decomposition are 50# urea per acre.
Using 25# cal nit makes my leaf/fruit samples test way too high N. Adding
50# urea/acre will blow the Universities testing machinery off the planet!

Mo Tougas

On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Daniel Cooley  wrote:

> If you’re not chopping leaves, do that first. Then worry about the extra
> urea.
>
> Dan
>
>
> On Mar 21, 2017, at 10:30 AM, Jon Clements  wrote:
>
> I really question whether the urea will do much extra good given the cool
> spring ambient and soil temperatures?
>
> Good luck.
>
> Jon
>
> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 2:24 PM, David Doud  wrote:
>
>> So - I applied urea in a spray last november, but I am not impressed with
>> the breakdown of the apple leaf litter - I just ordered oil and copper for
>> the first spray this spring and I wonder about adding urea into the mix in
>> hopes of accelerating decomposition - - any reason not too?
>>
>> David Doud - grower IN - almost green tip on early blooming varieties -
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Re: [Apple-Crop] nitrogen in early spray

2017-03-21 Thread Daniel Cooley 
If you’re not chopping leaves, do that first. Then worry about the extra urea.

Dan


> On Mar 21, 2017, at 10:30 AM, Jon Clements  wrote:
> 
> I really question whether the urea will do much extra good given the cool 
> spring ambient and soil temperatures?
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> Jon
> 
> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 2:24 PM, David Doud  > wrote:
> So - I applied urea in a spray last november, but I am not impressed with the 
> breakdown of the apple leaf litter - I just ordered oil and copper for the 
> first spray this spring and I wonder about adding urea into the mix in hopes 
> of accelerating decomposition - - any reason not too?
> 
> David Doud - grower IN - almost green tip on early blooming varieties -
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Re: [Apple-Crop] nitrogen in early spray

2017-03-21 Thread Jon Clements 
I really question whether the urea will do much extra good given the cool
spring ambient and soil temperatures?

Good luck.

Jon

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 2:24 PM, David Doud  wrote:

> So - I applied urea in a spray last november, but I am not impressed with
> the breakdown of the apple leaf litter - I just ordered oil and copper for
> the first spray this spring and I wonder about adding urea into the mix in
> hopes of accelerating decomposition - - any reason not too?
>
> David Doud - grower IN - almost green tip on early blooming varieties -
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[Apple-Crop] nitrogen in early spray

2017-03-21 Thread David Doud 
So - I applied urea in a spray last november, but I am not impressed with the 
breakdown of the apple leaf litter - I just ordered oil and copper for the 
first spray this spring and I wonder about adding urea into the mix in hopes of 
accelerating decomposition - - any reason not too? 

David Doud - grower IN - almost green tip on early blooming varieties - 
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