Re: [Apple-Crop] sprayer calibration debate

2017-03-21 Thread John Bruguiere 

thanks to all for helping with my calibration.

john


On 3/2/2017 10:19 AM, Jon Clements wrote:

You can look at the third item here to do exactly what you want I think:

http://fruitadvisor.info/tfruit/clements/trvcalculator.html

Jon

On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 9:15 AM, John Bruguiere > wrote:


Hello all, need some healthy practical advice on sprayer
calibration.  Specifically air blast sprayers. For decades we have
measured a block of trees to determine acreage, sprayed out tank
and determined gallons per acre based on what area was covered in
tank. For example trees planted at 8 x 18 spacing gave us 300
trees to acre, we sprayed out tank, counted trees and determined
that our sprayer puts out 2.5 acres per tank.  we used this  to
determine amount of material to put in the tank etc. All the
calibration formulas , I have seen require tree row volume(height
x row spacing) to be part of equation.  I have 4-5 different
spacings in 100 acres of orchard which makes it more of a headache
to constantly figure gallons per acre and spray materials needed
in each different block(thus the reason we simply measured trees
per acre). I know my speed , i know my gallons per minute but
can't find an equation that converts this to gallons per acre
without tree row volume.

need a simple but effective solution...any takers?

in Virginia we have plums in full bloom, fantasia and red gold
nectarines in pink and some open blooms, 21 degrees forecasted on
friday and saturday night.

God Bless,

John Bruguiere

Dickie Bros. Orchard


On 1/30/2017 6:36 PM, Arthur Kelly wrote:

I agree Mo.  We try and remove trees every year and plant every
year.  I did use the word can to hedge the productive life of a
block.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 30, 2017, at 5:48 PM, maurice tougas
>
wrote:


Art

I agree that it's great to be out pruning. I disagree that you
should expect a longer productive life with high density
systems. My goal here is to be looking at replanting when the
orchard reaches twenty years or so. New varieties, strains of
varieties and improved planting system encourage 5% renewal in
my opinion.

My best to you
Mo Tougas

On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 1:27 PM, George Greene
> wrote:

Art:

Your comment makes sense to me.  Right now I have a cold and
I fell on the ice on Dec. 29th and I am still suffering.  Pt
may help but it may take a while.

I suppose that you are enjoying the warmer weather.

Be well, George


On Jan 30, 2017, at 12:43 PM, kellyorchards
>
wrote:

Ruminations after a morning pruning.  The weather is
ideal.  The temps are in the high 20's, the wind is light
and the sun is shining.  Weather like this is why we live
here. Permanent limbs ultimately and inevitably get too
large.  This is why high density systems can have a longer
productive life than less dense orchards.




Art Kelly
Kelly Orchards
Acton, Maine
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Re: [Apple-Crop] sprayer calibration debate

2017-03-02 Thread Hal Wentzel 
Since I upgraded my tractor this winter, I plan on recalibration and this
is the method I plan to use.  Adjust the nozzles and the tractor speed
until I feel I get adequate coverage of the trees.  I will then fill my
tank with 50 gallons of water, and spray it over a prescribed route.  When
the tank is empty, I calculate the acres sprayed.  From that I can
determine the number of gallons per acre.  To that number of gallons, I
will add the chemical required per acre.  Since we are high density, well
pruned, I multiply by .7 (captan:  6# x .7= 4.2 #).  If I travel the same
route, I will get the required spray per acre.

A different question:  my new tractor has an enclosed cab (no more monkey
suit), with an activated charcoal filter.  What is the opinion on the
necessity of also wearing a respirator.  EPA would say yes, but are they
too cautious.
Hal Wentzel
Pleasant View Orchard
Niagara, Wi
715-927-2050

On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 8:16 AM John Bruguiere  wrote:

> Hello all, need some healthy practical advice on sprayer calibration.
> Specifically air blast sprayers.  For decades we have measured a block of
> trees to determine acreage, sprayed out tank and determined gallons per
> acre based on what area was covered in tank. For example trees planted at 8
> x 18 spacing gave us 300 trees to acre, we sprayed out tank, counted trees
> and determined that our sprayer puts out 2.5 acres per tank.  we used this
> to determine amount of material to put in the tank etc. All the calibration
> formulas , I have seen require tree row volume(height x row spacing) to be
> part of equation.  I have 4-5 different spacings in 100 acres of orchard
> which makes it more of a headache to constantly figure gallons per acre and
> spray materials needed in each different block(thus the reason we simply
> measured trees per acre). I know my speed , i know my gallons per minute
> but can't find an equation that converts this to gallons per acre without
> tree row volume.
>
> need a simple but effective solution...any takers?
>
> in Virginia we have plums in full bloom, fantasia and red gold nectarines
> in pink and some open blooms, 21 degrees forecasted on friday and saturday
> night.
>
> God Bless,
>
> John Bruguiere
>
> Dickie Bros. Orchard
>
> On 1/30/2017 6:36 PM, Arthur Kelly wrote:
>
> I agree Mo.  We try and remove trees every year and plant every year.  I
> did use the word can to hedge the productive life of a block.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 30, 2017, at 5:48 PM, maurice tougas 
> wrote:
>
> Art
>
> I agree that it's great to be out pruning. I disagree that you should
> expect a longer productive life with high density systems. My goal here is
> to be looking at replanting when the orchard reaches twenty years or so.
> New varieties, strains of varieties and improved planting system encourage
> 5% renewal in my opinion.
>
> My best to you
> Mo Tougas
>
> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 1:27 PM, George Greene 
> wrote:
>
> Art:
>
> Your comment makes sense to me.  Right now I have a cold and I fell on the
> ice on Dec. 29th and I am still suffering.  Pt may help but it may take a
> while.
>
> I suppose that you are enjoying the warmer weather.
>
> Be well, George
>
> On Jan 30, 2017, at 12:43 PM, kellyorchards 
> wrote:
>
> Ruminations after a morning pruning.  The weather is ideal.  The temps are
> in the high 20's, the wind is light and the sun is shining.  Weather like
> this is why we live here.  Permanent limbs ultimately and inevitably get
> too large.  This is why high density systems can have a longer productive
> life than less dense orchards.
>
>
>
>
> Art Kelly
> Kelly Orchards
> Acton, Maine
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> George Greene
> 68 Willow Lane
> Wiscasset, ME 04578
> 207-882-8074 <%28207%29%20882-8074>
> cortla...@icloud.com
>
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>
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Re: [Apple-Crop] sprayer calibration debate

2017-03-02 Thread Jon Clements 
You can look at the third item here to do exactly what you want I think:

http://fruitadvisor.info/tfruit/clements/trvcalculator.html

Jon

On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 9:15 AM, John Bruguiere  wrote:

> Hello all, need some healthy practical advice on sprayer calibration.
> Specifically air blast sprayers.  For decades we have measured a block of
> trees to determine acreage, sprayed out tank and determined gallons per
> acre based on what area was covered in tank. For example trees planted at 8
> x 18 spacing gave us 300 trees to acre, we sprayed out tank, counted trees
> and determined that our sprayer puts out 2.5 acres per tank.  we used this
> to determine amount of material to put in the tank etc. All the calibration
> formulas , I have seen require tree row volume(height x row spacing) to be
> part of equation.  I have 4-5 different spacings in 100 acres of orchard
> which makes it more of a headache to constantly figure gallons per acre and
> spray materials needed in each different block(thus the reason we simply
> measured trees per acre). I know my speed , i know my gallons per minute
> but can't find an equation that converts this to gallons per acre without
> tree row volume.
>
> need a simple but effective solution...any takers?
>
> in Virginia we have plums in full bloom, fantasia and red gold nectarines
> in pink and some open blooms, 21 degrees forecasted on friday and saturday
> night.
>
> God Bless,
>
> John Bruguiere
>
> Dickie Bros. Orchard
>
> On 1/30/2017 6:36 PM, Arthur Kelly wrote:
>
> I agree Mo.  We try and remove trees every year and plant every year.  I
> did use the word can to hedge the productive life of a block.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 30, 2017, at 5:48 PM, maurice tougas 
> wrote:
>
> Art
>
> I agree that it's great to be out pruning. I disagree that you should
> expect a longer productive life with high density systems. My goal here is
> to be looking at replanting when the orchard reaches twenty years or so.
> New varieties, strains of varieties and improved planting system encourage
> 5% renewal in my opinion.
>
> My best to you
> Mo Tougas
>
> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 1:27 PM, George Greene 
> wrote:
>
>> Art:
>>
>> Your comment makes sense to me.  Right now I have a cold and I fell on
>> the ice on Dec. 29th and I am still suffering.  Pt may help but it may take
>> a while.
>>
>> I suppose that you are enjoying the warmer weather.
>>
>> Be well, George
>>
>> On Jan 30, 2017, at 12:43 PM, kellyorchards 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Ruminations after a morning pruning.  The weather is ideal.  The temps
>> are in the high 20's, the wind is light and the sun is shining.  Weather
>> like this is why we live here.  Permanent limbs ultimately and inevitably
>> get too large.  This is why high density systems can have a longer
>> productive life than less dense orchards.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Art Kelly
>> Kelly Orchards
>> Acton, Maine
>> ___
>> apple-crop mailing list
>> apple-crop@virtualorchard.com
>> http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
>>
>>
>> George Greene
>> 68 Willow Lane
>> Wiscasset, ME 04578
>> 207-882-8074 <%28207%29%20882-8074>
>> cortla...@icloud.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
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