Re: [apple-crop] New Holland vs. John Deere

2015-11-21 Thread Kurt W. Alstede 
Hello Friends,

 

We appreciate all of your feedback and thought that we would let you know that 
we did decide to go blue.  We purchased a T4.75V FWD which just arrived at our 
dealer from California.  We are really excited about the 43” width and the turn 
radius.  Thanks again for helping us confirm our decision.  We will let you 
know how we make out.

 

Best,

 

Kurt

 

Kurt W. Alstede

General Manager,

Alstede Farms, LLC

P.O. Box 278

1 Alstede Farms Lane,

Chester, New Jersey 07930

United States of America

 

Tel:  908-879-7189

Fax: 908-879-7815

www.alstedefarms.com

 

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[mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of Evan B. Milburn
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 8:56 AM
To: Apple-crop discussion list
Subject: Re: [apple-crop] New Holland vs. John Deere

 

 

After JD, Kubota, and Massy, We are all for New Holland.  Reliably, Great cab, 
nice gear choices, and especially their sharp turning ability for compact 
orchards and vineyards.

 

  Evan B. Milburn

   www.milburnorchards.com 
<http://www.milburnorchards.com/>  

 

 

On Sunday, November 8, 2015 7:39 AM, Franklyn Carlson 
<fcarl...@carlsonorchards.com> wrote:

 

Kurt:

We have 2 , a 5525N,the older one, and a newer 5093EN.  We do like these 
tractors. The one bad thing is with the short wheelbase they ride rough over 
the road.  I think the Ford New Holland will ride smother because the wheel 
base is longer. With their special front  end,  they turn very sharp.  Up here, 
our decision is on the dealer.  The JD is 15 mins away, and the NH is 1 hour 
away.

Frank Carlson

 

Franklyn W. Carlson, Pres.

Carlson Orchards, Inc.

115 Oak Hill Road, P.O. Box 359

Harvard, MA. 01451

978-456-3916 office

617-968-4180 cell

 

 

 

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Subject: Re: [apple-crop] New Holland vs. John Deere

 

Kurt,
We don't have any of the vineyard series New Holland models, but we have 2 
of the orchard profile models, both with super-steer.  One is an open station 
and the other has a cab.
We have found New Holland's equipment to be competitive with John Deere 
equipment in terms of quality and peformance.  Some will like "green" better 
than "blue" no matter what.  However, our New Holland equipment has served very 
well and seems to be well-designed.  The New Holland cab is also more 
comfortable than the cabs on other equipment, especially the Kubota models.  (I 
don't want to knock Kubota, though, as they have the most fuel-efficient models 
on the market.)
These new tractors have a ton of electronics and the new emissions 
regulations add yet another layer to the complexity of their designs.  There is 
always danger of electronics failure with any brand, so having a dealership 
nearby would be influential in a purchase decision, particularly if the price 
is competitive.  Do parts come from a local warehouse or do they have to be 
shipped from Europe?
We also have a JD 5083EN set up with forklifts front and back and my son 
says it's the best tractor we've even owned for that purpose.  He prefers the 
shuttle on the JD to the New Holland, but both work well.
In conclusion, I wouldn't fear the New Holland or the JD models you are 
investigating.  But we've been pleased with "blue's" performance, for sure.
-Brad

Brad M. Hollabaugh
General Manager
Hollabaugh Bros., Inc.

On 11/7/2015 9:50 AM, Kurt W. Alstede wrote:

Hello Fellow Growers:

 

We are evaluating a new orchard tractor purchase and wanted to solicit input 
from fellow growers.  We currently have John Deere’s…specifically a 5320N 2WD 
and a 5420N 4WD; both with cabs.  We are very pleased with both these tractors.

 

We are currently looking at a John Deere 5085EN versus a New Holland T4.75V.  
They are both essentially the same tractor in terms of base features and 
horsepower; prices are similar.  We are concerned about the overall height of 
the John Deere caused by the Tier 3 pollution controls that have been added to 
the tops of the engines.  Contrary, we are intrigued by how relatively small 
the packaging of the New Holland vineyard tractor is with an overall width of 
just 48”.  We see a lot of opportunities for this tightly packaged New Holland 
in our brambles and blueberries in addition to our high density orchard blocks. 
 Having never owned a New Holland narrow tractor and I was hoping that some of 
you might lend some insight into your personal observations.  It appears to us 
that New Holland has put a lot of R & D into their narrow and orchard tractors 
and that their “Blue Cab” is quite nicely engineered.  Again, we would 
apprecia

Re: [apple-crop] New Holland vs. John Deere

2015-11-08 Thread Evan B. Milburn 

After JD, Kubota, and Massy, We are all for New Holland.  Reliably, Great cab, 
nice gear choices, and especially their sharp turning ability for compact 
orchards and vineyards.
  Evan B. Milburn   
www.milburnorchards.com  


 On Sunday, November 8, 2015 7:39 AM, Franklyn Carlson 
<fcarl...@carlsonorchards.com> wrote:
   
 

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{}#yiv9669691503 Kurt: We have 2 , a 5525N,the older one, and a newer 5093EN.  
We do like these tractors. The one bad thing is with the short wheelbase they 
ride rough over the road.  I think the Ford New Holland will ride smother 
because the wheel base is longer. With their special front  end,  they turn 
very sharp.  Up here, our decision is on the dealer.  The JD is 15 mins away, 
and the NH is 1 hour away. Frank Carlson    Franklyn W. Carlson, Pres. Carlson 
Orchards, Inc. 115 Oak Hill Road, P.O. Box 359 Harvard, MA. 01451 978-456-3916 
office 617-968-4180 cell          From: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net 
[mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net]On Behalf Of BMH
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2015 11:01 AM
To: Apple-crop discussion list <apple-crop@virtualorchard.net>
Subject: Re: [apple-crop] New Holland vs. John Deere    Kurt,
    We don't have any of the vineyard series New Holland models, but we have 2 
of the orchard profile models, both with super-steer.  One is an open station 
and the other has a cab.
    We have found New Holland's equipment to be competitive with John Deere 
equipment in terms of quality and peformance.  Some will like "green" better 
than "blue" no matter what.  However, our New Holland equipment has served very 
well and seems to be well-designed.  The New Holland cab is also more 
comfortable than the cabs on other equipment, especially the Kubota models.  (I 
don't want to knock Kubota, though, as they have the most fuel-efficient models 
on the market.)
    These new tractors have a ton of electronics and the new emissions 
regulations add yet another layer to the complexity of their designs.  There is 
always danger of electronics failure with any brand, so having a dealership 
nearby would be influential in a purchase decision, particularly if the price 
is competitive.  Do parts come from a local warehouse or do they have to be 
shipped from Europe?
    We also have a JD 5083EN set up with forklifts front and back and my son 
says it's the best tractor we've even owned for that purpose.  He prefers the 
shuttle on the JD to the New Holland, but both work well.
    In conclusion, I wouldn't fear the New Holland or the JD models you are 
investigating.  But we've been pleased with "blue's" performance, for sure.
-Brad

 Brad M. Hollabaugh General Manager Hollabaugh Bros., Inc. On 11/7/2015 9:50 
AM, Kurt W. Alstede wrote: 
Hello Fellow Growers:   We are evaluating a new orchard tractor purchase and 
wanted to solicit input from fellow growers.  We currently have John 
Deere’s…specifically a 5320N 2WD and a 5420N 4WD; both with cabs.  We are very 
pleased with both these tractors.   We are currently looking at a John Deere 
5085EN versus a New Holland T4.75V.  They are both essentially the same tractor 
in terms of base features and horsepower; prices are similar.  We are concerned 
about the overall height of the John Deere caused by the Tier 3 pollution 
controls that have been added

Re: [apple-crop] New Holland vs. John Deere

2015-11-08 Thread Franklyn Carlson 
Kurt:
We have 2 , a 5525N,the older one, and a newer 5093EN.  We do like these 
tractors. The one bad thing is with the short wheelbase they ride rough over 
the road.  I think the Ford New Holland will ride smother because the wheel 
base is longer. With their special front  end,  they turn very sharp.  Up here, 
our decision is on the dealer.  The JD is 15 mins away, and the NH is 1 hour 
away.
Frank Carlson

Franklyn W. Carlson, Pres.
Carlson Orchards, Inc.
115 Oak Hill Road, P.O. Box 359
Harvard, MA. 01451
978-456-3916 office
617-968-4180 cell



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Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2015 11:01 AM
To: Apple-crop discussion list <apple-crop@virtualorchard.net>
Subject: Re: [apple-crop] New Holland vs. John Deere

Kurt,
We don't have any of the vineyard series New Holland models, but we have 2 
of the orchard profile models, both with super-steer.  One is an open station 
and the other has a cab.
We have found New Holland's equipment to be competitive with John Deere 
equipment in terms of quality and peformance.  Some will like "green" better 
than "blue" no matter what.  However, our New Holland equipment has served very 
well and seems to be well-designed.  The New Holland cab is also more 
comfortable than the cabs on other equipment, especially the Kubota models.  (I 
don't want to knock Kubota, though, as they have the most fuel-efficient models 
on the market.)
These new tractors have a ton of electronics and the new emissions 
regulations add yet another layer to the complexity of their designs.  There is 
always danger of electronics failure with any brand, so having a dealership 
nearby would be influential in a purchase decision, particularly if the price 
is competitive.  Do parts come from a local warehouse or do they have to be 
shipped from Europe?
We also have a JD 5083EN set up with forklifts front and back and my son 
says it's the best tractor we've even owned for that purpose.  He prefers the 
shuttle on the JD to the New Holland, but both work well.
In conclusion, I wouldn't fear the New Holland or the JD models you are 
investigating.  But we've been pleased with "blue's" performance, for sure.
-Brad


Brad M. Hollabaugh

General Manager

Hollabaugh Bros., Inc.
On 11/7/2015 9:50 AM, Kurt W. Alstede wrote:
Hello Fellow Growers:

We are evaluating a new orchard tractor purchase and wanted to solicit input 
from fellow growers.  We currently have John Deere’s…specifically a 5320N 2WD 
and a 5420N 4WD; both with cabs.  We are very pleased with both these tractors.

We are currently looking at a John Deere 5085EN versus a New Holland T4.75V.  
They are both essentially the same tractor in terms of base features and 
horsepower; prices are similar.  We are concerned about the overall height of 
the John Deere caused by the Tier 3 pollution controls that have been added to 
the tops of the engines.  Contrary, we are intrigued by how relatively small 
the packaging of the New Holland vineyard tractor is with an overall width of 
just 48”.  We see a lot of opportunities for this tightly packaged New Holland 
in our brambles and blueberries in addition to our high density orchard blocks. 
 Having never owned a New Holland narrow tractor and I was hoping that some of 
you might lend some insight into your personal observations.  It appears to us 
that New Holland has put a lot of R & D into their narrow and orchard tractors 
and that their “Blue Cab” is quite nicely engineered.  Again, we would 
appreciate your feedback.

Thanks!

Kurt


Kurt W. Alstede
General Manager,
Alstede Farms, LLC
P.O. Box 278
1 Alstede Farms Lane,
Chester, New Jersey 07930
United States of America

Tel:  908-879-7189
Fax: 908-879-7815
www.alstedefarms.com<http://www.alstedefarms.com>

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Re: [apple-crop] New Holland vs. John Deere

2015-11-07 Thread Bill Beni 
We have a T4050f with the optional front 3pt. arms and PTO. We also have a
T4060f, both are orchard models with cabs. They are real workhorses. I love
the supersteer and how well they ride even on rough ground.
We also have 3 John Deere 5101EN models. We have appreciated the economy
PTO, it saves a ton on fuel. We went with the higher horsepower of the
5101so we would still have plenty of power at the lower engine RPM running
in economy PTO. With this option we can run 10 hours spraying on a tank of
fuel, where the New Holland is about 5 hours.
The John Deere has a more comfortable cab and offers more operator comfort
especially during long days. We like the electric PTO switch and shuttle
shift. It doesn't have a a very tight turning radius and rides very rough
compared to the New Holland and with the high hood it is harder to see up
close to the front. Our dealer told us that John Deere 5101EN is no longer
available. I am not sure about the lower horsepower models, but apparently
they will be redesigning the EN models to allow for the new Tier 4
requirements.
For maneuvering in close quarters and general working we prefer the New
Holland. We don't have the vineyard model so I can't comment on the cab
comfort. However the front 3 pt. hitch and PTO are valuable. However the
front PTO is 1000 rpm and runs in a reverse direction. We run a Perfect
Mower on the front which is great for visibility close to harvest and the
option to pull a sprayer at the same time. We will be mounting a 3pt.
forklift on the front for harvest which can be taken off quickly because it
is simply 3 pt. hitch. It also comes with mid mount valves for hydraulic
needs up front.
For fuel economy the economy PTO saves us a lot on fuel with the John
Deere. The Deere is more comfortable for long hours. There are a few more
options on the Deere, like lift arm controls on the back fenders for ease
of hooking up implements by yourself.
Both tractors have their strong points, and weaknesses. I am not sure what
the retooled Deere will be like, New Holland is in their 2nd year of Tier 4
engines.
This is are tight for service on both tractors due to being so compact.
We have had electrical and air conditioning issues with both brands. Hope
this helps.
On Nov 7, 2015 9:55 AM, "Kurt W. Alstede"  wrote:

> Hello Fellow Growers:
>
>
>
> We are evaluating a new orchard tractor purchase and wanted to solicit
> input from fellow growers.  We currently have John Deere’s…specifically a
> 5320N 2WD and a 5420N 4WD; both with cabs.  We are very pleased with both
> these tractors.
>
>
>
> We are currently looking at a John Deere 5085EN versus a New Holland
> T4.75V.  They are both essentially the same tractor in terms of base
> features and horsepower; prices are similar.  We are concerned about the
> overall height of the John Deere caused by the Tier 3 pollution controls
> that have been added to the tops of the engines.  Contrary, we are
> intrigued by how relatively small the packaging of the New Holland vineyard
> tractor is with an overall width of just 48”.  We see a lot of
> opportunities for this tightly packaged New Holland in our brambles and
> blueberries in addition to our high density orchard blocks.  Having never
> owned a New Holland narrow tractor and I was hoping that some of you might
> lend some insight into your personal observations.  It appears to us that
> New Holland has put a lot of R & D into their narrow and orchard tractors
> and that their “Blue Cab” is quite nicely engineered.  Again, we would
> appreciate your feedback.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Kurt
>
>
>
>
>
> *Kurt W. Alstede*
>
> General Manager,
>
> Alstede Farms, LLC
>
> P.O. Box 278
>
> 1 Alstede Farms Lane,
>
> Chester, New Jersey 07930
>
> United States of America
>
>
>
> Tel:  908-879-7189
>
> Fax: 908-879-7815
>
> www.alstedefarms.com
>
>
>
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>
>
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