[fedora-arm] Re: no hdmi audio on older tv

2018-11-12 Thread Jiri Vanek
On 11/9/18 11:50 AM, Peter Robinson wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 8:29 AM Jiri Vanek  wrote:
>>
>> So this is getting more and more funny.
>> None of your recommendations helped:(( bwd luck, bad thak you a lto anyway 
>> for brainstromign.
>>
>>
>> I borrowed one of the  hdmi->Vga+jack boxes (I think it isi this one:
>> https://iczc.cz/dkqm7qdad2hnra334bu7igbro5_7/obrazek) and
>>
>> Now fedora have audio, and raspbian no:D
>>
>> Considering how hdmi protocol works, I really think that fedroa simply tries 
>> newer communication
>> first (where to change this?) , but fallbeack do not work.  And raspbian is 
>> trying older
>> communication first, and fails to upgrade the communication.
>>
>>
>> Obviously there is some little green goblin in the middle of the way in HDMI 
>> :(
> 
> Have you tried a different HDMI cable? I've seen issues where people
> report problems and try a different cable and it's fine. There's

Yes. I tried four cables. Each of them on both TVs. Each behaved same for me. 
*however* factr that I
had tried several different cables, does not mean I used different type of 
cable.  they are very
likely  from same shop in my neighbourhood, likely same vendor and price level, 
just bought in
different times.

> completely different code paths between the upstream fully open stack
> that Fedora uses and Raspbian which uses the closed source proprietary
> driver where the firmware actually does quite a bit of the work.

I'm aware of this difference in view like "it exists". But do not know details 
of the difference
between proprietary and open implementation.
I was hoping for magical switch for HDMI, but looks lie there is none.

Thanx a lot!
  J.
> 
>>
>> On 11/1/18 8:02 PM, stan wrote:
>>> On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 13:55:53 +0100
>>> Jiri Vanek  wrote:
>>>
 sudo dnf downgrade kernel
 Last metadata expiration check: 2 days, 19:55:43 ago on Mon 29 Oct
 2018 05:55:23 PM CET. Package kernel of lowest version already
 installed, cannot downgrade it. same for alsa*

 I failed to updte kernel. at least Network stopped working:(
>>>
>>> Here is the last 4.17 kernel for f29,
>>>
>>> https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=1088633
>>>
>>> You can try a *newer* kernel, the latest 4.18 kernel, 4.18-16
>>>
>>> https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=1154877
>>>
>>> or the first 4.19 kernel for 4.30.  It should work just fine on f29, I
>>> think, since I have been compiling it and running it on f28.
>>
>> I was allready told that for rPI rawhide is bringing many positive changes. 
>> So this may be one of
>> those. Will try later in the development cycle.
>>>
>>> https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=1155120
>>>
>>> Is there a reason you are using the 4.18-12 kernel?
>> Nothing particular. It was in stablw when I preapred the baord, and next 
>> udpate break networking. So
>> I turned back.
>>>
>>> Have you tried updating your system from the repositories since install?
>>>
>>> Here is an older version of alsa you can try.  There were two updates
>>> of alsa only for f29 and f30 after this, so it is a possible difference
>>> from f28.
>>>
>>> https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=1106034
>>>
>>> Download the binary rpms for the packages you have installed, then from
>>> the directory where they are type, as root,
>>>
>>> dnf -C downgrade [list of rpms]
>>>
>>> If this doesn't solve your problem, I'm stumped.  You should have sound.
>>>
>>
>>
>> thanx a lot!
>>   J.
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[fedora-arm] Re: no hdmi audio on older tv

2018-11-09 Thread Peter Robinson
On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 8:29 AM Jiri Vanek  wrote:
>
> So this is getting more and more funny.
> None of your recommendations helped:(( bwd luck, bad thak you a lto anyway 
> for brainstromign.
>
>
> I borrowed one of the  hdmi->Vga+jack boxes (I think it isi this one:
> https://iczc.cz/dkqm7qdad2hnra334bu7igbro5_7/obrazek) and
>
> Now fedora have audio, and raspbian no:D
>
> Considering how hdmi protocol works, I really think that fedroa simply tries 
> newer communication
> first (where to change this?) , but fallbeack do not work.  And raspbian is 
> trying older
> communication first, and fails to upgrade the communication.
>
>
> Obviously there is some little green goblin in the middle of the way in HDMI 
> :(

Have you tried a different HDMI cable? I've seen issues where people
report problems and try a different cable and it's fine. There's
completely different code paths between the upstream fully open stack
that Fedora uses and Raspbian which uses the closed source proprietary
driver where the firmware actually does quite a bit of the work.

>
> On 11/1/18 8:02 PM, stan wrote:
> > On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 13:55:53 +0100
> > Jiri Vanek  wrote:
> >
> >> sudo dnf downgrade kernel
> >> Last metadata expiration check: 2 days, 19:55:43 ago on Mon 29 Oct
> >> 2018 05:55:23 PM CET. Package kernel of lowest version already
> >> installed, cannot downgrade it. same for alsa*
> >>
> >> I failed to updte kernel. at least Network stopped working:(
> >
> > Here is the last 4.17 kernel for f29,
> >
> > https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=1088633
> >
> > You can try a *newer* kernel, the latest 4.18 kernel, 4.18-16
> >
> > https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=1154877
> >
> > or the first 4.19 kernel for 4.30.  It should work just fine on f29, I
> > think, since I have been compiling it and running it on f28.
>
> I was allready told that for rPI rawhide is bringing many positive changes. 
> So this may be one of
> those. Will try later in the development cycle.
> >
> > https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=1155120
> >
> > Is there a reason you are using the 4.18-12 kernel?
> Nothing particular. It was in stablw when I preapred the baord, and next 
> udpate break networking. So
> I turned back.
> >
> > Have you tried updating your system from the repositories since install?
> >
> > Here is an older version of alsa you can try.  There were two updates
> > of alsa only for f29 and f30 after this, so it is a possible difference
> > from f28.
> >
> > https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=1106034
> >
> > Download the binary rpms for the packages you have installed, then from
> > the directory where they are type, as root,
> >
> > dnf -C downgrade [list of rpms]
> >
> > If this doesn't solve your problem, I'm stumped.  You should have sound.
> >
>
>
> thanx a lot!
>   J.
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[fedora-arm] Re: no hdmi audio on older tv

2018-11-08 Thread Jiri Vanek
So this is getting more and more funny.
None of your recommendations helped:(( bwd luck, bad thak you a lto anyway for 
brainstromign.


I borrowed one of the  hdmi->Vga+jack boxes (I think it isi this one:
https://iczc.cz/dkqm7qdad2hnra334bu7igbro5_7/obrazek) and

Now fedora have audio, and raspbian no:D

Considering how hdmi protocol works, I really think that fedroa simply tries 
newer communication
first (where to change this?) , but fallbeack do not work.  And raspbian is 
trying older
communication first, and fails to upgrade the communication.


Obviously there is some little green goblin in the middle of the way in HDMI :(



On 11/1/18 8:02 PM, stan wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 13:55:53 +0100
> Jiri Vanek  wrote:
> 
>> sudo dnf downgrade kernel
>> Last metadata expiration check: 2 days, 19:55:43 ago on Mon 29 Oct
>> 2018 05:55:23 PM CET. Package kernel of lowest version already
>> installed, cannot downgrade it. same for alsa*
>>
>> I failed to updte kernel. at least Network stopped working:(
> 
> Here is the last 4.17 kernel for f29,
> 
> https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=1088633
> 
> You can try a *newer* kernel, the latest 4.18 kernel, 4.18-16
> 
> https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=1154877
> 
> or the first 4.19 kernel for 4.30.  It should work just fine on f29, I
> think, since I have been compiling it and running it on f28.

I was allready told that for rPI rawhide is bringing many positive changes. So 
this may be one of
those. Will try later in the development cycle.
> 
> https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=1155120
> 
> Is there a reason you are using the 4.18-12 kernel?
Nothing particular. It was in stablw when I preapred the baord, and next udpate 
break networking. So
I turned back.
> 
> Have you tried updating your system from the repositories since install?
> 
> Here is an older version of alsa you can try.  There were two updates
> of alsa only for f29 and f30 after this, so it is a possible difference
> from f28.
> 
> https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=1106034
> 
> Download the binary rpms for the packages you have installed, then from
> the directory where they are type, as root,
> 
> dnf -C downgrade [list of rpms]
> 
> If this doesn't solve your problem, I'm stumped.  You should have sound.
> 


thanx a lot!
  J.
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[fedora-arm] Re: no hdmi audio on older tv

2018-11-01 Thread Jiri Vanek
On 10/30/18 6:23 PM, stan wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 13:41:50 +0100
> Jiri Vanek  wrote:
> 
> I'm not familiar with hdmi, but I'll try to give you some ideas.
> 
>> I have f29 (ernel kernel-4.18.12-300.fc29  ) on  machine, which is
>> changing its place from time to time - between two TVs. Old, and
>> older:)
>>
>> Both are connected by HDMI. Video output is fine, even acceleration
>> is working,  but sound work only on newer of those two.
>>
>> I don't know if this is regression, because this machine replaced 32b
>> rapbery2 with kodi, which was working without issues on both TVs (but
>> was eaten by (not mine) dog)
> 
> Can you try an older version of the kernel?  Or alsa?  It sure sounds
> like a regression, but the audio information doesn't support that.  Just
> a check to be sure.

sudo dnf downgrade kernel
Last metadata expiration check: 2 days, 19:55:43 ago on Mon 29 Oct 2018 
05:55:23 PM CET.
Package kernel of lowest version already installed, cannot downgrade it.
same for alsa*

I failed to updte kernel. at least Network stopped working:(

> 
>>
>> I was following
>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_sound_problems but had
>> not found much:
>>  - with removed pulseaudio, the aplay -vv segfaults
>>  - I really on pulseaudio anyway, as I need to transfer sound to
>> this machine over network
>>
>>  - the diff of alsa-info.sh's is really minimal [1], only
>> [cite]
>> state.vc4hdmi {
>>  control.1 {
>>  iface PCM
>>  name ELD
>>  value '1700671200014c2d9d02
>> for non working and
>>  value '1700671200014c2d9b03
>> for working
>> [/cite]
> 
> If alsa didn't know about the interface for the failing device, it
> wouldn't be able to specify a control.  Are there any warnings or
> errors in the journal during boot, or when trying to play?  
>>
>>   - when alsamixer is opened, then the default looks like working,
>> and the job on old tv; but not do nothing older tv.
>>   - when alsamixer -c0 is opened, then the  vc4-hdmi reports no
>> control for selected device for *both* tvs (which is same as f6 and
>> selecting vc4-hdmi)
>>
>> Does anybody have a clue what to try?
> 
> Great troubleshooting report, very complete.
> 
> Is it possible that you changed a setting on the older TV that isn't
> working?  Because, like you said, it *should* be working.
> 
> What happens if you just use an audio player to send only audio to the
> older TV from the command line?  Maybe try such with debugging enabled.
> Or look in the logs to see if it complains about anything.
> 
> e.g. mplayer -vv [audio-file]
> or
> mplayer -vv -novideo [video-file]
> 
> Since the hdmi is the only device, it should route to the TV to play.
> I think.
> 
> If there are no errors and it acts like it is playing, that really
> points to the older TV having an issue.
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[fedora-arm] Re: no hdmi audio on older tv

2018-11-01 Thread Jiri Vanek
On 10/30/18 6:23 PM, stan wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 13:41:50 +0100
> Jiri Vanek  wrote:
> 
> I'm not familiar with hdmi, but I'll try to give you some ideas.
> 
>> I have f29 (ernel kernel-4.18.12-300.fc29  ) on  machine, which is
>> changing its place from time to time - between two TVs. Old, and
>> older:)
>>
>> Both are connected by HDMI. Video output is fine, even acceleration
>> is working,  but sound work only on newer of those two.
>>
>> I don't know if this is regression, because this machine replaced 32b
>> rapbery2 with kodi, which was working without issues on both TVs (but
>> was eaten by (not mine) dog)
> 
> Can you try an older version of the kernel?  Or alsa?  It sure sounds
> like a regression, but the audio information doesn't support that.  Just
> a check to be sure.

sure. will do. Just will tak e abit longer.
> 
>>
>> I was following
>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_sound_problems but had
>> not found much:
>>  - with removed pulseaudio, the aplay -vv segfaults
>>  - I really on pulseaudio anyway, as I need to transfer sound to
>> this machine over network
>>
>>  - the diff of alsa-info.sh's is really minimal [1], only
>> [cite]
>> state.vc4hdmi {
>>  control.1 {
>>  iface PCM
>>  name ELD
>>  value '1700671200014c2d9d02
>> for non working and
>>  value '1700671200014c2d9b03
>> for working
>> [/cite]
> 
> If alsa didn't know about the interface for the failing device, it
> wouldn't be able to specify a control.  Are there any warnings or
> errors in the journal during boot, or when trying to play?  
>>
>>   - when alsamixer is opened, then the default looks like working,
>> and the job on old tv; but not do nothing older tv.
>>   - when alsamixer -c0 is opened, then the  vc4-hdmi reports no
>> control for selected device for *both* tvs (which is same as f6 and
>> selecting vc4-hdmi)
>>
>> Does anybody have a clue what to try?
> 
> Great troubleshooting report, very complete.
> 
> Is it possible that you changed a setting on the older TV that isn't
> working?  Because, like you said, it *should* be working.

nope. both raspbian and kodi still keeps playing.
> 
> What happens if you just use an audio player to send only audio to the
> older TV from the command line?  Maybe try such with debugging enabled.
> Or look in the logs to see if it complains about anything.
> 
> e.g. mplayer -vv [audio-file]
> or
> mplayer -vv -novideo [video-file]

I play only from commandline - aplay - and it prints no otput. it behaves 
corrctly as if it s been
playing.  Will try to get more debug output here.
> 
> Since the hdmi is the only device, it should route to the TV to play.
> I think.
> 
> If there are no errors and it acts like it is playing, that really
> points to the older TV having an issue.
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[fedora-arm] Re: no hdmi audio on older tv

2018-11-01 Thread Jiri Vanek
On 11/1/18 1:37 PM, Jiri Vanek wrote:
> On 10/31/18 3:32 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>> I have seen this before but it was due to the HDMI cable. They have
>> chips inside of them and if they can't 'talk' correctly with one side
>> or the other, they drop sound (aka to stop you from pirating etc). I
>> would try a different cable and see if that makes any difference.
> 
> Hi!
> 
> Had tried this. tired 3 caables. all behave same:
>  - all works fine with kodi or raspian (Linux cam.local 4.14.71-v7+ #1145 SMP 
> Fri Sep 21 15:38:35
> BST 2018 armv7l GNU/Linux
> )  on both tv

actualy.. on raspbian, aslamixer is not same as in f29. It is same for default, 
but it have control
 for the v4l-hdmi (just calls it bcm245..whatever according to theirs custom 
driver)
>  - all works fine with f28  on newer tv, none work with f29 on older tv
> 
> so cable out of guilt:(
> 
> thanx a lot!
>   j.
>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 at 08:33, Jiri Vanek  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello!
>>>
>>> I have f29 (kernel-4.18.12-300.fc29.aarch64 ) on  machine, which is 
>>> changing its place from time to
>>> time - between two TVs. Old, and older:)
>>>
>>> Both are connected by HDMI. Video output is fine, even acceleration is 
>>> working,  but sound work only
>>> on newer of those two.
>>>
>>> I don't know if this is regression, because this machine replaced 32b 
>>> rapbery2 with kodi, which was
>>> working without issues on both TVs (but was eaten by (not mine) dog)
>>>
>>> I was following https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_sound_problems 
>>> but had not found much:
>>>  - with removed pulseaudio, the aplay -vv segfaults
>>>  - I really on pulseaudio anyway, as I need to transfer sound to this 
>>> machine over network
>>>
>>>  - the diff of alsa-info.sh's is really minimal [1], only
>>> [cite]
>>> state.vc4hdmi {
>>> control.1 {
>>> iface PCM
>>> name ELD
>>> value '1700671200014c2d9d02
>>> for non working and
>>> value '1700671200014c2d9b03
>>> for working
>>> [/cite]
>>>
>>>   - when alsamixer is opened, then the default looks like working, and the 
>>> job on old tv; but not do
>>> nothing older tv.
>>>   - when alsamixer -c0 is opened, then the  vc4-hdmi reports no control for 
>>> selected device for
>>> *both* tvs (which is same as f6 and selecting vc4-hdmi)
>>>
>>> Does anybody have a clue what to try?
>>>
>>>  Thanx in advance form java world,
>>> J.
>>>
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> --- /home/jvanek/Desktop/workingAudio
>>> +++ /home/jvanek/Desktop/nonWorkingAudio
>>> @@ -1,5 +1,5 @@
>>>  STDERR:
>>> -cat: /tmp/alsa-info.TzPwpaQcKW/acpidevicestatus.tmp: No such file or 
>>> directory
>>> +cat: /tmp/alsa-info.GXybsmPDbN/acpidevicestatus.tmp: No such file or 
>>> directory
>>>  cat: '/sys/module/(null)/parameters/*': No such file or directory
>>>
>>>
>>> @@ -8,7 +8,7 @@
>>>  !!ALSA Information Script v 0.4.64
>>>  !!
>>>
>>> -!!Script ran on: Mon Oct 29 14:09:06 UTC 2018
>>> +!!Script ran on: Mon Oct 29 14:15:02 UTC 2018
>>>
>>>
>>>  !!Linux Distribution
>>> @@ -152,7 +152,7 @@
>>> control.1 {
>>> iface PCM
>>> name ELD
>>> -   value
>>> '1700671200014c2d9b0353414d53554e47090707'
>>> +   value
>>> '1700671200014c2d9d0253414d53554e47090707'
>>> comment {
>>> access 'read volatile'
>>> type BYTES
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
> 
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[fedora-arm] Re: no hdmi audio on older tv

2018-11-01 Thread Jiri Vanek
On 10/31/18 3:32 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> I have seen this before but it was due to the HDMI cable. They have
> chips inside of them and if they can't 'talk' correctly with one side
> or the other, they drop sound (aka to stop you from pirating etc). I
> would try a different cable and see if that makes any difference.

Hi!

Had tried this. tired 3 caables. all behave same:
 - all works fine with kodi or raspian (Linux cam.local 4.14.71-v7+ #1145 SMP 
Fri Sep 21 15:38:35
BST 2018 armv7l GNU/Linux
)  on both tv
 - all works fine with f28  on newer tv, none work with f29 on older tv

so cable out of guilt:(

thanx a lot!
  j.
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 at 08:33, Jiri Vanek  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hello!
>>
>> I have f29 (kernel-4.18.12-300.fc29.aarch64 ) on  machine, which is changing 
>> its place from time to
>> time - between two TVs. Old, and older:)
>>
>> Both are connected by HDMI. Video output is fine, even acceleration is 
>> working,  but sound work only
>> on newer of those two.
>>
>> I don't know if this is regression, because this machine replaced 32b 
>> rapbery2 with kodi, which was
>> working without issues on both TVs (but was eaten by (not mine) dog)
>>
>> I was following https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_sound_problems 
>> but had not found much:
>>  - with removed pulseaudio, the aplay -vv segfaults
>>  - I really on pulseaudio anyway, as I need to transfer sound to this 
>> machine over network
>>
>>  - the diff of alsa-info.sh's is really minimal [1], only
>> [cite]
>> state.vc4hdmi {
>> control.1 {
>> iface PCM
>> name ELD
>> value '1700671200014c2d9d02
>> for non working and
>> value '1700671200014c2d9b03
>> for working
>> [/cite]
>>
>>   - when alsamixer is opened, then the default looks like working, and the 
>> job on old tv; but not do
>> nothing older tv.
>>   - when alsamixer -c0 is opened, then the  vc4-hdmi reports no control for 
>> selected device for
>> *both* tvs (which is same as f6 and selecting vc4-hdmi)
>>
>> Does anybody have a clue what to try?
>>
>>  Thanx in advance form java world,
>> J.
>>
>>
>> [1]
>> --- /home/jvanek/Desktop/workingAudio
>> +++ /home/jvanek/Desktop/nonWorkingAudio
>> @@ -1,5 +1,5 @@
>>  STDERR:
>> -cat: /tmp/alsa-info.TzPwpaQcKW/acpidevicestatus.tmp: No such file or 
>> directory
>> +cat: /tmp/alsa-info.GXybsmPDbN/acpidevicestatus.tmp: No such file or 
>> directory
>>  cat: '/sys/module/(null)/parameters/*': No such file or directory
>>
>>
>> @@ -8,7 +8,7 @@
>>  !!ALSA Information Script v 0.4.64
>>  !!
>>
>> -!!Script ran on: Mon Oct 29 14:09:06 UTC 2018
>> +!!Script ran on: Mon Oct 29 14:15:02 UTC 2018
>>
>>
>>  !!Linux Distribution
>> @@ -152,7 +152,7 @@
>> control.1 {
>> iface PCM
>> name ELD
>> -   value
>> '1700671200014c2d9b0353414d53554e47090707'
>> +   value
>> '1700671200014c2d9d0253414d53554e47090707'
>> comment {
>> access 'read volatile'
>> type BYTES
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jiri Vanek
>> Senior QE engineer, OpenJDK QE lead, Mgr.
>> Red Hat Czech
>> jva...@redhat.comM: +420775390109
>>
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