Re: More Guns, Less Crime?

2001-01-25 Thread Chris Rasch
jsamples wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of I agree with you--I don't believe that public health bureaucrats will necessarily be more impartial. The point of Ropeik's article was that, initially, the EPA and the automobile

Re: More Guns, Less Crime?

2001-01-24 Thread david friedman
Going back to the original subject of the thread ... . John Lott gave a talk on campus last night. Among the interesting points: Switzerland has more ownership of handguns and long guns per capita than the U.S., even excluding the weapons that Swiss adult males are required to have for

RE: More Guns, Less Crime?

2001-01-22 Thread Warnick, Walter
AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: More Guns, Less Crime? On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Girard wrote: Why not look at the statistics? Here are some : Percent of households with a handgun: United States 29% United Kingdom 1 Murders committed with handguns annually: United States 8,915

RE: More Guns, Less Crime?

2001-01-22 Thread jsamples
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of I agree with you--I don't believe that public health bureaucrats will necessarily be more impartial. The point of Ropeik's article was that, initially, the EPA and the automobile industry each wasted

RE: More Guns, Less Crime?

2001-01-22 Thread jsamples
Krugman's original attack on Cato et al. was remarkably anti-liberal (in the classical sense or specifically in the sense of supporting a marketplace in ideas). Krugman's underlying assumption (which, I think, Bill Dickens shares to some extent) was that there are two kinds of intellectuals

Think Tank Bias' (formerly More Guns, Less Crime?)

2001-01-22 Thread William Dickens
Bryan Caplan Wrote: I don't think we really disagree here. Less than I thought when I misinterpreted what you were saying. I thought you were implying that we were government funded and wouldn't bite the hand that feeds us. If that is not what you are saying then we are closer to agreement

Re: More Guns, Less Crime?

2001-01-21 Thread Chris Rasch
Hi David, Unfortunately, as the reaction to Lott's work demonstrated, that perception has very little connection to reality. Opponents claimed that the work was funded by the firearms industry--on the grounds that the Olin foundation got its money long ago from the Olin Corporation, which

Re: More Guns, Less Crime?

2001-01-21 Thread James_Haney/camsys
David Friedman wrote: At 3:39 PM -0500 1/19/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing that strikes me in this debate is that the argument seems to be focusing on the total number of guns in existence in a region as being the deterrent to crime. Or maybe it is the percentage of individuals who

Re: More Guns, Less Crime?

2001-01-21 Thread Bryan Caplan
This discussion of research incentives and bias is pretty interesting, reminding me of some of Paul Krugman's recent disparaging remarks about e.g. the Cato Institute versus Brookings. Consider a organization that gets 100% of its funding from the conservative Coors brothers. People would

Re: More Guns, Less Crime?

2001-01-21 Thread david friedman
At 6:12 AM -0700 1/21/01, Chris Rasch wrote: What you really need is a piece with coauthors, one of whom one side will find it hard to attack, the other the other side. You can get that by picking authors who are identified with one side or another in general, but are not committed on

Re: More Guns, Less Crime?

2001-01-21 Thread david friedman
At 12:43 PM -0500 1/21/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm relieved to hear you point this out because the Economist article that inspired me to start this thread seemed to be making a different argument. I thought that they may have missed the point of Lott's study, but I was not familiar enough

Re: More Guns, Less Crime?

2001-01-20 Thread Chris Rasch
Hi Pierre, I don't see how the incentives of government, public-health bureaucrats, or the way they are selected, makes them more impartial. The EPA's manipulation of evidence in the secondhand-smoke case illustrates this quite strikingly. U.S. District Judge William Osteen: ?The court is

Re: More Guns, Less Crime?

2001-01-20 Thread Tim King
I would suggest if you already have strong belief's about the value of gun control laws, your opinion on the issue is unlikely to be swayed by statistical studies counter to your belief, regardless of the quality of the study. I would tend to agree. If I might put it another way, suppose you

Re: More Guns, Less Crime?

2001-01-20 Thread david friedman
At 1:55 AM -0700 1/20/01, Chris Rasch wrote: Even if you have no a priori strong opinion, I think it would be wise to be skeptical of studies funded by ideological organizations. For example, I would be quite skeptical of a study performed by HandGun Control, Inc. and I am sympathetic to those

Re: More Guns, Less Crime?

2001-01-20 Thread Chris Rasch
Hi David, To begin with, neither John Lott nor David Mustard is or was a University of Chicago professor. Mustard was, I'm pretty sure, a grad student, and Lott was an Olin Fellow--a visiting position. Thank you for the correcting my error. I don't think that my error(s) detract from my

Re: More Guns, Less Crime?

2001-01-19 Thread Fred Foldvary
On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Girard wrote: Why not look at the statistics? Here are some : Percent of households with a handgun: United States 29% United Kingdom 1 Murders committed with handguns annually: United States 8,915 United Kingdom 7 Murder rate (per 100,000 people):

Re: More Guns, Less Crime?

2001-01-19 Thread Bryan Caplan
Girard wrote: Why not look at the statistics? Here are some : Percent of households with a handgun: United States 29% Finland 7 Germany 7 Canada 5 Norway 4 Europe 4 Netherlands 2 United Kingdom 1 Murders committed with

Re: More Guns, Less Crime?

2001-01-19 Thread Pierre Lemieux
Culture is a key variable here. Given the culture, the freedom to defend oneself may well be correlated with lower crime rates. Vermont in the US has the most liberty in self-defense and low crime rates relative to other states. Indeed, global, country-wide statistics don't tell a reliable story

Re: More Guns, Less Crime?

2001-01-19 Thread James_Haney/camsys
One thing that strikes me in this debate is that the argument seems to be focusing on the total number of guns in existence in a region as being the deterrent to crime. Or maybe it is the percentage of individuals who own guns. The total number of guns argument seems very unpersuasive to me.