Re: entropy and sustainability

2002-04-15 Thread debacker
So there maybe physical limits on certain technologies, but are there limits on human creativity in creating new technologies? We may fill the capacity of a silicon chip, but what about a chip made of something organic? or some other yet unthought of way to store info? Certain ideas may

Re: entropy and sustainability

2002-04-15 Thread Fred Foldvary
So there maybe physical limits on certain technologies, but are there limits on human creativity in creating new technologies? We may fill the capacity of a silicon chip, but what about a chip made of something organic? or some other yet unthought of way to store info? Certain ideas

Re: entropy and sustainability

2002-04-15 Thread Jon Cast
There are ultimate physical limits on the speed of data processing, Are there? I mean, there are limits on how fast silicon can go, but are there real limits on how fast /any/ material can go? but I don't see why there are any limits on computer programs, and thus no limit to software

Re: entropy and sustainability

2002-04-15 Thread Anton Sherwood
Fred Foldvary wrote There are ultimate physical limits on the speed of data processing, Jon Cast wrote: Are there? I mean, there are limits on how fast silicon can go, but are there real limits on how fast /any/ material can go? Divide the diameter of a neutron by the speed of light: you

Re: entropy and sustainability

2002-04-13 Thread Anton Sherwood
--- Wei Dai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Economic activity can't increase indefinitely, because eventually we'll have improved our technologies to the limits imposed by physics Fred Foldvary wrote: I don't see why physics limits all technological progress. For example, someone could write

Re: entropy and sustainability

2002-04-10 Thread Fred Foldvary
--- Wei Dai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Economic activity can't increase indefinitely, because eventually we'll have improved our technologies to the limits imposed by physics I don't see why physics limits all technological progress. For example, someone could write improved software, and that

Re: entropy and sustainability

2002-04-09 Thread Anton Sherwood
John Perich wrote: . . . here's a thought: in six billion years, the sun will burn out, making all research into sustainability and environmental / resource economics a waste of time. . . . Not a complete waste; the study will be useful toward setting up ecosystems elsewhere. -- Anton

RE: entropy and sustainability

2002-04-09 Thread Hentrich, Steffen
not convincing. Steffen -Original Message- From: John Perich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 6:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: entropy and sustainability Well, Fred beat me to the punch here on the smart-aleck response. Unless you mean entropy as something other

RE: entropy and sustainability

2002-04-09 Thread john hull
Because I don't agree with that, I'm looking for profound arguments against that costly influence. From Jean Bricmont's essay Science of Chaos or Chaos in Science in _The Flight From Science and Reason_, ed. Paul Gross, et al: As discussed in Penrose [R. Penrose, 'The Emperor's New Mind'

Re: entropy and sustainability

2002-04-09 Thread Wei Dai
On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 08:10:59AM -0700, Fred Foldvary wrote: Entropy says a closed system will dissipate into unavailable energy. Entropy applies to open systems too. The way it works is, a given energy source (the sun) and heat sink (outer space) allows you to remove so many bits of entropy

Re: entropy and sustainability

2002-04-08 Thread Fred Foldvary
Dear armchairs, who among you knows something new about the consequence of entropy on sustainability and environmental/ressource economics (books, papers, etc.)? Steffen I know something: any article on economics with the word entropy is likely to be nonsense, unless it itself declares such

Re: entropy and sustainability

2002-04-08 Thread John Perich
, the sun will burn out, making all research into sustainability and environmental / resource economics a waste of time. There's an obvious connection to entropy right there. -JP From: Fred Foldvary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: entropy

Re: entropy and sustainability

2002-04-08 Thread Fred Foldvary
Do you mean this even when entropy is used in the context of information theory? Gustavo No, Claude Shannon's http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/ms/what/shannonday/paper.html usage, to separate noise from information, regards statistical entropy, a measure of dispersion, a different meaning from