[Note--I believe I sent this to John Hull instead of to the list. I
apologize. If it's already been posted, my apologies for the duplication as
well]
I think they're operating on the same variant of the labor theory of value
that inspired the labor note systems of the Owenites and Josiah Warren.
In the town where I used to live, (Lowell, Ark.), the sanitation company
left a recycling bin at every house. At the same time, it introduced an
optional program where you paid a fee of $1 per month plus $1 per trash bag.
I recycled because it was convenient and worth my while. I put all my
From: Bryan Caplan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kevin Carson wrote:
They are indeed two entirely different cases. The latter case, of welfare
state concessions, is productively examined in Piven and Cloward's
*Regulating the Poor*. To a certain extent, the welfare state is
something forced
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Post-modern liberalism didn't spring full-blown into being like Athena from
the forehead of Zeus. It evolved rather over time from classical
liberalism
through several fairly-distinct phases.
You're right on this. But it might be more accurate to say that at any
given
From: Bryan Caplan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kevin Carson's remarks on Kolko reminded me that I recently reread Kolko
and had some comments to share.
Just for background: Kolko's *Triumph of Conservatism* was written largely
as a left-wing attack on mainstream liberalism. Kolko's message was that
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In a message dated 6/19/03 6:28:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The main good it provides is a negative one, that of keeping
homelessness
and starvation to a low enough level to prevent political instability.
This of course presumes that the welfare state reduces
Actually, they support state capitalism under the name of progressivism or
putting people first or some equally inane goo-goo slogan. Just about
every part of the Progressive/New Deal agenda reflected the interests of big
business in cartelizing and stabilizing the corporate economy; it was
Socialism is a historical term whose use has evolved over time. I believe
it first appeared in an Owenite periodical, the London Cooperative Journal,
in 1829 or 1830.
The beginning of the classical socialist movement was the Ricardian
socialist movement. They were inspired by two arguments
But in areas where the supply of labor is relatively inelastic, such as
scientific-technical workers, the state steps in by socializing the cost of
education and training. For example, that program so beloved of
progressives who await the second coming of FDR: the G.I. Bill.
In a partially
From: Bryan Caplan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kevin Carson wrote:
I'd say just the opposite, that SS is an important component of state
capitalism; and like most regulations and welfare spending, it serves to
cartelize the economy.
By acting through the state to organize pension programs, the large
So Gosplan economists independently discovered Mises' rational calculation
problem? That's almost as amazing as Comrade Stalin inventing the airplane!
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Subject: soviet economists
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 12:30:15
One possible answer might be that these helpful companies are less honest
than they claim to be. I called Progressive for a quote, and the lowest
quotes they gave me for strict liability auto coverage was in the $50/month
range, roughly in the same range they were offering. They didn't
as having a
plausible claim to being a genuine form of private property.
Kevin Carson wrote:
I meant slum occupants would simply become de facto owners, and stop
paying
rent--was that your understanding?
That's what it sounded like, but it was hard to believe anyone would say
it.
You did
From: Bryan Caplan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For an occupant, the incentive to build on one's own land would be the
same
as always. Since there would be no restriction on the right of the
actual
occupier of a piece of land to charge a price before quitting it
Does quitting have to mean selling
From: Fred Foldvary [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In which case you yourself are 80% Georgist, because if taxes there be not,
then landowners will bear the major cost of infrastructure now paid for by
the taxation of labor and capital. That will deflate their land value, now
puffed up by the capitalization
From: Grey Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
User-fees are an excellent idea, but I don't think
incompatible with a Lib-Georgist land value tax:
Who supports the judiciary? Who supports the
Dept. of War? er, Defense? -- property owners,
who need/use local police and international police,
as well as
From: Fred Foldvary [EMAIL PROTECTED]
As for defense, a decentralized, stateless society would present few
concentrated targets of value to foreign predators; it would have no
central government to surrender;
Tell that to the American Indians.
OK, adding the proviso that the defenders
And free market anarchists like Tucker, who also identified themselves as
libertarian socialists, saw the state as the central, defining
characteristic of capitalist exploitation (and all other forms of
exploitation). Exploitation, defined as the use of force to enable one
person to live off
Interesting. Your remarks on tunnelling dovetail nicely with an excellent
article by Sean Corrigan at LewRockwell.com:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/corrigan/corrigan13.html
Corrigan refers to privatization, as part of IMF-imposed structural
adjustments, as a carpet-bagger strategy for
Voter attitudes generally reflect a conventional wisdom that is shaped by
the corporate media and statist educational system. A whole series of
buzzwords comes to mind--ideological hegemony, the sociology of knowledge,
reproduction of human capital--but they all boil down to the fact that a
I think you're underestimating the massive effects of state capitalist
intervention not only individuallly, but the synergy between them.
Regarding transportation subsidies alone, Tibor Machan wrote a good article
for The Freeman (August 99, I think) against not only transportation
I considered the online book dealers a positive development from the
beginning. The mail-order and internet vendors are, in some ways, a
throwback to the days of the Sears Roebuck catalog, when the alternative to
local mom and pop retailers wasn't the big box store, but rather a network
of
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