Re: socialism historical?

2003-06-18 Thread Fred Foldvary
So what label would you use? Fabio I would avoid using the labels capitalism and socialism. Substitutes for capitalism: 1) private enterprise 2) free market; free enterprise; pure market 3) market economy 4) interventionism 5) mixed economy Substitutes for socialism: 1) forced

Re: socialism historical?

2003-06-18 Thread Kevin Carson
Socialism is a historical term whose use has evolved over time. I believe it first appeared in an Owenite periodical, the London Cooperative Journal, in 1829 or 1830. The beginning of the classical socialist movement was the Ricardian socialist movement. They were inspired by two arguments

Re: socialism historical?

2003-06-18 Thread Fred Foldvary
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You seem to confuse the concept of subordinating the individual to a greater human collective to subordinating the individual to the will of the tyrant. But does not the practice of the subordination of the individual to the collective go back to ancient times,

Re: socialism historical?

2003-06-18 Thread AdmrlLocke
In a message dated 6/18/03 2:03:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But does not the practice of the subordination of the individual to the collective go back to ancient times, indeed to pre-historical tribal practice and belief? Fred Foldvar in the ancient world we clearly have a good deal of

Re: socialism historical?

2003-06-17 Thread fabio guillermo rojas
Political labels are notoriously contextual. The passage of a few years renders many labels unintelligible. However, there is something more interesting to say. Political parties frequently co-op specific policies, which distorts our association of a label with a policy. Example: the two

Re: socialism historical?

2003-06-17 Thread Francois-Rene Rideau
On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 07:41:45PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Socialism developed in the early and mid-19th century as a rejection of classical liberalism, Wrong. You seem to confuse the concept of socialism with the word socialism. Just like classical liberalism can be traced back to