Re: New article on cooperation the brain

2002-07-18 Thread chris macrae

jolly good, perhaps prospective CEOs should be scanned
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From: john hull [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: 18 July 2002 17:03 PM
Subject: New article on cooperation  the brain


 Just published today in the journal Neuron; here's a
 news release:
 
 www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/07/020718075131.htm
 
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Re: New article on cooperation the brain

2002-07-18 Thread Cyril Morong

The news release mentions that they played a prisoner's dilemma game and
that all of the subjects were women. It did not say exactly what the
payoffs were but they were awarded money.

The article also said:

Mutual cooperation was the most common outcome in games played with
presumed human partners in both experiments, even though a player was
maximally rewarded for defecting when the other player cooperated. 

When I play the prisoner's dilemma in class, I see very little cooperation.
 I do it with coins, face to face.  If they both play heads, they get 3
each.  1 if they both play tails.  If person A plays head while person B
plays tails, A gets 0 and B gets 5.  There are repeated trials and the
students simultaneously open their hands to see the other's coin. After
each trial they have to at least pretend that they might be changing their
choice.  Close hands, open again.

It is only played for extra credit, not money.  But I still see very little
cooperation (heads).  Over the years, I have not noticed that women are
especially more cooperative than men.  So it is very surprising to see the
above quote.

Maybe I am running the game wrong somehow and that is why I get little
cooperation.  If anyone has any suggestions, please email me.

Cyril Morong





Re: New article on cooperation the brain

2002-07-18 Thread fabio guillermo rojas


 When I play the prisoner's dilemma in class, I see very little cooperation.

I know one researcher who has repeated a trust game (not prisoner's
dilemma)  with many classes of students and groups of business men.

He finds that students are remarkably untrustworthy and businessmen
tend to give their trust quite frequently. He thinks that students
are socially isolated from each other and have little experience
in social worlds were trust is common, unlike business men. 

I wouldn't be surprised if there were a similar difference when you
P.D. Can anybody confirm or reject this claim about students?

Fabio





Re: New article on cooperation the brain

2002-07-18 Thread CyrilMorong
In a message dated 7/18/02 4:36:44 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 When I play the prisoner's dilemma in class, I see very little cooperation.

I know one researcher who has repeated a trust game (not prisoner's
dilemma) with many classes of students and groups of business men.

He finds that students are remarkably untrustworthy and businessmen
tend to give their trust quite frequently. He thinks that students
are socially isolated from each other and have little experience
in social worlds were trust is common, unlike business men. 

I wouldn't be surprised if there were a similar difference when you
P.D. Can anybody confirm or reject this claim about students?

Fabio

The part about students being socially isolated from each other and lacking social experienceis interesting. Are there any studies that might confirm this? I teach at a community college, so the students probabl mix with each other less than they do at other colleges. If I recall correctly, I did obsverve more cooperation when I played this game at a small liberal arts college that I used to teach at.

Cyril Morong


Re: New article on cooperation the brain

2002-07-18 Thread john hull


--- Cyril Morong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe I am running the game wrong somehow and that is
why I get little cooperation.

Are you teaching on the West Coast?!  Just kidding. 
(Maybe not entirely*)  I recall from my psych days
that a notable thing about the prisoner's dilemma is
that cooperation obtains.  I got the impression that
the result was robust.  Perhaps a perusal of psych
literature may shed some light on the subject--they
have a long history in dealing with human subjects, so
there might be something to learn.  I'm stuck in a
backwater (pop. 1,500) with a one-room library, so I
can't help look.  Sorry I can't be more helpful.

jsh

*I went to the Univ. of Oregon and found attitudes
regarding considerate-ness significantly different
from my native Michigan.  That's where I really
learned to appreciate the significance of the
following quote:

=
...for no one admits that he incurs an obligation to another merely because that 
other has done him no wrong.
-Machiavelli, Discourses on Livy, Discourse 16.

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Re: New article on cooperation the brain PD??

2002-07-18 Thread john hull


--- fabio guillermo rojas
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if there were a similar
difference when you P.D. Can anybody confirm or reject
this claim about students?

I'm awfully sorry, what does P.D. mean?

Thanks,
jsh


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Re: New article on cooperation the brain

2002-07-18 Thread fabio guillermo rojas


 The part about students being socially isolated from each other and lacking 
 social experienceis interesting.  Are there any studies that might confirm 
 this?  I teach at a community college, so the students probabl mix with each 
 other less than they do at other colleges. If I recall correctly, I did 
 obsverve more cooperation when I played this game at a small liberal arts 
 college that I used to teach at.
 Cyril Morong

Interesting. I should note that isolated doesn't mean literally
isolated (college students do live in dorms!) but that acheivement
in college is mainly through individual effort, while sucess in
business really is a team effort. Fabio