Re: immigration: net gain or net drain?

2003-09-03 Thread Jeffrey Rous
I know some immigrants send some of their money to relatives in their
previous countries, but they can't send all of it; most must be spent
in the host country.

And even if they send the money out of the county, it eventually leads to a greater 
demand for exports.


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/03/03 01:35PM 
 alypius skinner wrote:

  This article argues for net drain.


Bryan Caplan wrote:
 Actually, it doesn't.  All it claims is that immigrants reduce wages.
 But this is by definition balanced by the extra surplus enjoyed by
 employers.


Do any of these studies take into account the effect of immigrants on
demand?  It would see these people have to eat.

I know some immigrants send some of their money to relatives in their
previous countries, but they can't send all of it; most must be spent
in the host country.  This would drive up demand for products, and
therefore the wages for labor used to make those products, at least
partly offsetting the downward pressure on wages from increased labor
supply.


--Robert


Re: immigration: net gain or net drain?

2003-09-03 Thread Fred Foldvary
--- Bryan Caplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 All it claims is that immigrants reduce wages.
 But this is by definition balanced by the extra surplus enjoyed by
 employers.

If the surplus is general to the economy, then is it not the case that in
industries with competitive markets for labor and capital goods, and with
substantial competition in the goods markets, providers of labor and
capital goods earn their marginal products and firms have zero economic
profits, so the surplus goes to land rent?  If so then it is not employers
qua firms who get the surplus, but the landowners.  Firms which rent their
premises would get no surplus from being employers.

Fred Foldvary

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Re: Editors and Media Bias

2003-09-03 Thread AdmrlLocke
Or, to quote Hayek, as socialists of all parties.

David Levenstam

In a message dated 9/3/03 3:57:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

And with the budget under the Bush Administration outsocializing the

socialist Clinton by triple and growing (in social spending alone) it isn't

clear that there is any value in knowing whether media people are republican

socialists or democratic socialists.  Thanks(?) to our current President

Hillary the democratic socilalists look as conservative as their so-called

alternative.  Perhaps they should be referred to only as republican

socialists or democratic socialists, or simply all as socialists.