Re: socialism historical?

2003-06-18 Thread Fred Foldvary
> So what label would you use? > Fabio I would avoid using the labels "capitalism" and "socialism". Substitutes for capitalism: 1) private enterprise 2) free market; free enterprise; pure market 3) market economy 4) interventionism 5) mixed economy Substitutes for socialism: 1) forced redistr

Re: socialism historical?

2003-06-18 Thread AdmrlLocke
I agree that it's more effective to avoid loaded phrases like "capitalism" and "socialism." "Socialism" has become to the Right of our generation what "laissez-faire" became to the left of the 1930s--just a swear-word--and thus generates much more heat than light. I'd also avoid "private ente

Re: socialism historical?

2003-06-18 Thread AdmrlLocke
In a message dated 6/17/03 11:05:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 07:41:45PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Socialism developed in the early and mid-19th century as a rejection >of > >> classical liberalism, > >Wrong. You seem to confuse the concept of socialism wit

Re: Health insurance for kids

2003-06-18 Thread Bryan Caplan
Jeffrey Rous wrote: > When I was in grad school, my wife's health insurance policy through > work allowed an employee to add a spouse for $1000 per year (I cannot > remember the exact numbers, but these are close) or add a spouse and > children for $2000 per year. And it didn't matter whether you h

Re: Wage-Price Controls Under Nixon

2003-06-18 Thread Kevin Carson
Actually, they support state capitalism under the name of "progressivism" or "putting people first" or some equally inane goo-goo slogan. Just about every part of the Progressive/New Deal agenda reflected the interests of big business in cartelizing and stabilizing the corporate economy; it wa

Re: socialism historical?

2003-06-18 Thread Kevin Carson
"Socialism" is a historical term whose use has evolved over time. I believe it first appeared in an Owenite periodical, the London Cooperative Journal, in 1829 or 1830. The beginning of the classical socialist movement was the Ricardian socialist movement. They were inspired by two arguments

RE: Wage-Price Controls Under Nixon

2003-06-18 Thread Kevin Carson
I'd say just the opposite, that SS is an important component of state capitalism; and like most regulations and "welfare" spending, it serves to cartelize the economy. By acting through the state to organize pension programs, the large corporations effectively function as a state-enforced carte

Re: Wage-Price Controls Under Nixon

2003-06-18 Thread Bryan Caplan
Kevin Carson wrote: I'd say just the opposite, that SS is an important component of state capitalism; and like most regulations and "welfare" spending, it serves to cartelize the economy. By acting through the state to organize pension programs, the large corporations effectively function as

Re: socialism historical?

2003-06-18 Thread Fred Foldvary
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > You seem to confuse the concept of subordinating the individual to > a greater human collective to subordinating the individual to the will of > the tyrant. But does not the practice of the subordination of the individual to the collective go back to ancient times, i

correction

2003-06-18 Thread Bryan Caplan
Of course I meant to say that labor supply elasticity is near-zero, not near-infinte. Thanks to Alex for pointing it out. -- Prof. Bryan Caplan Department of Economics George Mason University http://www.bcaplan.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]

labor supply

2003-06-18 Thread Fred Foldvary
> labor supply elasticity is near-zero... > Prof. Bryan Caplan Does this take into account when workers can choose to work overtime, take more or less vacation, retire earlier or later, have a second household worker employed or not, have a second job or not, take time off without pay or not?

Kolko 40 Years Later

2003-06-18 Thread Bryan Caplan
Kevin Carson's remarks on Kolko reminded me that I recently reread Kolko and had some comments to share. Just for background: Kolko's *Triumph of Conservatism* was written largely as a left-wing attack on mainstream liberalism. Kolko's message was that most of the regulations and government in

Re: correction

2003-06-18 Thread Kevin Carson
But in areas where the supply of labor is relatively inelastic, such as scientific-technical workers, the state steps in by socializing the cost of education and training. For example, that program so beloved of "progressives" who await the second coming of FDR: the G.I. Bill. In a partially

Re: socialism historical?

2003-06-18 Thread AdmrlLocke
In a message dated 6/18/03 2:03:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >But does not the practice of the subordination of the individual to the >collective go back to ancient times, indeed to pre-historical tribal >practice and belief? >Fred Foldvar in the ancient world we clearly have a good deal o

Re: Wage-Price Controls Under Nixon

2003-06-18 Thread Kevin Carson
From: Bryan Caplan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Kevin Carson wrote: I'd say just the opposite, that SS is an important component of state capitalism; and like most regulations and "welfare" spending, it serves to cartelize the economy. By acting through the state to organize pension programs, the larg

Re: Wage-Price Controls Under Nixon

2003-06-18 Thread AdmrlLocke
Post-modern liberalism didn't spring full-blown into being like Athena from the forehead of Zeus. It evolved rather over time from classical liberalism through several fairly-distinct phases. In the earliest stages of "progressivism" people still by and large believed in free markets and priva