Title: Analgesics to the Rescue
At 8:04 PM -0700 5/24/06, Rajib Das wrote:
I defined it earlier. See the crocin
story.
When an illiterate person
is given Crocin (and perhaps for the first time in his
life) to reduce temperature and then told Jesus Christ
healed him, that is as simple as
Title: Analgesics to the Rescue
When an illiterate person
is given Crocin (and perhaps for the first time in hislife) to
reduce temperature and then told Jesus Christ
healed him, that is as simple as fraud.
Frankly speaking I don't see what
is the problem in above.
In all religions we more
any critique of his comments on conversions ?Umeshumesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 14:50:02 +0100 (BST)From: umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: attn: Mr Umesh SharmaTo: VT RAJ SHEKAR [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sri Raj Shekhar,I met Prof. Sen only once at
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All new
Upon reading the travelogue below I realise that our group was lucky - there was hardly any glacier to cross (only about 5 feet of a small one -- though dangerously sloping from the side of the cliff) . I think most had melted away by the time we arrived in Autumn. We did have to cross the rushing
Rajen-da,Are you sure about this: ***(Judaism are already a recognized path for salvation of the Jews)like Islam for the Muslims,Then why so much hue and cry with Italin govt flying an Air Force plane to Afghanistan who onverted to Islam and why Taliban detained Aid workers accusing them
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Among the islam, Judaism and Christianity, it is
like conerting a Vaishnava to a Shaiva.
RB
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From:
umesh
sharma
To: Barua25 ; assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 9:12
AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Why Christians do
not convert Jews to
Umesh:
Rather it will be like a Vaishnava
Hindutrying to convert a Buddhist toVaishnavism. Buddhismis a
recognized path of salvataionby the Hindus as Buddha and Krishna are
considered by the Hindus to be the avataras of the same Hindu God
Vishnu.
Judaism, Christianity and Islam
share the
Rajen-da,So why the fighting. And if Christians do recognize Islam as a true faith (which I doubt) then why do they seek converts. Anyway, Islam came after Christianity -so how can Christians decide that it is a true faith. If they think so, they should convert to Islam --as Muslims ask them
Title: Re: [Assam] Analgesics to the
Rescue
Exactly right Rajen.
Why we are
trying to single out the Christians as indulging in fraud and leave
the Brahmin priest who is making the Indian give 'pindo' to his
dead ancestor? All are frauds to the same degree.
That is because the
Noone can win against atheists. So we should agree to disagree and close the matter.UmeshChan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Exactly right Rajen. Why we are trying to single out the Christians as indulging in fraud and leave the Brahmin priest who is making the Indian give
Title: Re: [Assam] Analgesics to the
Rescue
That is a cop-out Umesh.
Why don't you use your intellect to try and demolish my argument?
And if you cannot, then have the courage to admit that the 'coerced
conversion' ruse is false, bogus.
At 4:18 PM +0100 5/25/06, umesh sharma wrote:
Noone
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-1560925,curpg-1.cmsUmesh Sharma5121 Lackawanna STCollege Park, MD 20740 1-202-215-4328 [Cell Phone]Ed.M. - International Education PolicyHarvard Graduate School of Education,Harvard University,Class of 2005weblog: http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/
Rajenda,
That is where the problem is.
When we take medicine with the cognizance that it is
medicine (because we know it is), many still believe
there is a higher power casting his/her shadow and
making us well.
The crocin story is different: An illiterate man is
given the pill without being
Frankly speaking I don't see what is the problem in above.
In all religions we more or less do exactly this which may be called fraud.
If you agree this is a fraud, then why shouldn't it be treated as such by the GOI to ban 'conversions'?
We take medicine and go to temple to pray to save us,
To C-da's point about intellectually tenable
arguments, let's just be aware that there are no
intellectually tenable arguments in the game.
*** Not at all true!
IF you or I believe in the principle of a secular state, then we
should agree that religious choices are entirely personal. The
What about conversion to Atheism. Is is banned too in India ?UtpalChan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:That is a cop-out Umesh.Why don't you use your intellect to try and demolish my argument? And if you cannot, then have the courage to admit that the 'coerced conversion' ruse is
Title: Re: [Assam] Analgesics to the
Rescue
Well, if Umesh's determination is correct, that no-one can 'win
against Atheists', then the question would be moot, won't it
:-)?
At 6:30 PM +0100 5/25/06, Malabika Brahma wrote:
What about conversion to Atheism. Is is
banned too in India ?
So secularism in India should do away with the Rights in Indian Constitution dictating extra rights for religious minorities ---incl. two permamnent seats for Anglo Indian Christians(out of 560) --who are just a few thousands.Agreed?UmeshChan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To C-da's
Parliament of India http://www.gdi.nic.in/di.htm In addition, not more than two members may be nominated by the President from the Anglo-Indian community, if the President feels that the Anglo-Indians have not got adequate representation in Parliament. An Anglo-Indian's view:
It is not a joke to those who send their children to minority run educational institutions -and are rejected becos they do not belong to their faiths (of minority run inst.).The current quota system also applies to all except those institutions by religious minorities.Might be a relief to
Umesh you are still stuck in the desi-idea of chronological age
trumping substance. It is time you realized that you know :-)?
At 10:29 PM +0100 5/25/06, umesh sharma wrote:
C-da wrote:
*** I am sure AR will deeply appreciate that, coming from such
authorities of expertise and insight
Title: ToI Blog Subject
http://o3.indiatimes.com/envisage/archive/2006/05/24/711673.aspx?Pending=true
Sabse Bada Ruppaiya
I was discussing today's TOI article on waiting time for darshan in
Tirupati with one of my colleagues who just happened to visit this
holy place last weekend. I asked
That was an interesting blog.
I too have visited Trupati some years ago. Yes, to have a fast darshan you have to pay more. Similarly, in Kamakhyya, you have to get hold of a panda (not the cuddly type, you know), and good, fast one at that to help you finagle your way thru the crowd to get the
If you agree this is a fraud,
then why shouldn't it be treated as such by the GOI to ban
'conversions'?
You mean to say GOI should ban
conversion from one fraud to another fraud? That does not make sense, does
it? What will make sense for GOI is to ban all religions because they are
Who is talking about an atheist
here?
And that is a great compliment for
the atheists?
They must have some convincing
arguments to have such praise?
But I was arguing purely from logic
and rational, and I donot consider me to be an atheist. I consider myself to be
an agnostic (is this
The Christians donot
recognise Islam to be the true faith, That is the problem from the Islam's side.
And that is one of the reason of the present hatred against Christian West.
Similarly, theJews donot believe Jesus Christ to be
true.
The case may be
similar, though not exactly, to the
Don't you know of Hinduism's latest achivements?
A fast Helicopter ride and VVIP Darshan of Vaishno Devi where Siva's Phallus enters Parvati's -- on full-moon crisp Himalayan nights---(actually a small growing stalactite).Such serviceare routine today. Don't have to WASTE 2 days and nights.--just
Finally one opinion piece from C-da where I see some
faint rays of common ground :-)
When I mentioned about intellectually tenable
arguments I was refering to the conversion game of the
missionaries. I have a poor opinion of their
approaches to conversion. All these stories of ruses
add up to
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3. Francoise Gautier: Are Brahmins the Dalits of Today?
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INDIA, May 23, 2006: (HPI note: This editorial piece by journalist Francoise
Gautier comes at a time when India's policy of "reservations," or affirmative
action, to benefit lower classes has become a national
Hehehe!
And it takes a Gautier to tell some of us that Brahmins have had a raw deal. While Brahmins did treat the lower castes badly in days of yore, now its just the reverse.
I guess it serves them right!
--Ram
On 5/25/06, Barua25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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