date:20060217

Title: Re: [Assam] Do Assamese have an inferiority
complex?


In fact I would go a step farther and suggest that the Assamese
LEARN better English, written and spoken, for them to be able to
assert themselves.

There is NO better weapon--or skill--that a desi gets
intimidated by :-), does not matter how qualified he or she is
otherwise,than a person who is proficient in English, more so on the
spoken front than the written one.

But that is NOT to suggest they ought not to learn BETTER Oxomiya
too. In fact the Oxomiya instructions should be far better it was or
is now, just like for English and every conceivable subject.











At 9:37 AM -0600 2/17/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
Barua,

The 'inferiority
complex' that Deka refers to is NOT an 'Assamese only' complex. My
feeling is that the complex exists throughout India. In most places in
India, if you can speak a bit of English, you are considered
'educated'. In fact, I think that phenomena exists in most parts of
the world.
But that edge is only the
first impression, subsequently, one is judged by how much one knows
(and not how well they speak English).

--Ram


On 2/17/06, Rajen Barua [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
However, he clarified that he was not
campaigning against learning English. The Sabha wants the people of
the State to earn expertise in English too. But there is no
justification to treat the English medium schools as superior to
the Assamese medium schools . Most of the owners of the English
medium schools are interested only in making money, they are less
bothered to improve the standard of education, he said.

- Original Message -
From: Ram
Sarangapani
To: ASSAMNET
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 9:08
AM
Subject: [Assam] Do Assamese have an inferiority
complex?


Highlights are
mine.
Some questions/comments
though:

Inferiority
complex has made the State's people opt for English instead of their
own language in all spheres of their
life.

I think people learn
English because its useful. Does knowing English, give one a
'superiority' edge? I don't think so.

He also clarified
that the Asam Sahitya Sabha had not indulged in the recent controversy
concerning the definition of the Assamese
people

One would have thought
that a body like the Sahitya Sabha would be the right body to define
who is an Assamese if need be.

an how about this one
below?

He also asserted
that any arrangement for
autonomy without a provision for percolation of power down to the
grass root level was
meaningless. Such arrangements for autonomy creates a new type of
oligarchy and the common people continue to languish as
usual

Await readers'
comments.

Expand base of Assamese
society - AT
By A Staff Reporter
GUWAHATI, Feb 16 - Asam Sahitya Sabha president Kanaksen
Deka today made an appeal to the people to wage an all out battle
against inferiority complex that is afflicting the life of the State's
people . He also urged upon the people to expand the base of the
Assamese society by making the society assimilate all the new elements
and also to become self-reliant engaging themselves in trade and
commerce. He was addressing the fourth special annual session of the
Asam Sahitya Sabha at the Belsor Sarat Chandra Goswami Kshetra in
Nalbari district.

Inferiority complex has made the State's people opt for English
instead of their own language in all spheres of their life. This
complex is luring the guardians to send their wards to the English
medium schools. This is against the basic doctrines of education,
which speak of imparting education at the primary level through mother
tongues. This inclination towards English is a product of the hangover
of our colonial past, Deka said.

However, he clarified that he was not campaigning against learning
English. The Sabha wants the people of the State to earn expertise in
English too. But there is no justification to treat the English medium
schools as superior to the Assamese medium schools. Most of the owners
of the English medium schools are interested only in making money,
they are less bothered to improve the standard of education, he
said.

The inferiority complex of the State's people is affecting their life
in other areas also. They readily give up their time-tested clothes,
cookery and snacks etc for the others'. They are also demanding
reservation for themselves in many spheres. But the weak people, who
are shy of competing with others, only raise the demand for
reservation. This demand will spell doom for the peoples of the State
in the coming days, he warned.

He also clarified that the Asam Sahitya Sabha had not indulged in
the recent controversy concerning the definition of the Assamese
people. The issue came to the Sabha platform when there arose a
need to define the Assamese people in the process of implementation of
the Assam Accord. The definition was sought to be evolved at the
platform of the Sanmilita Sahitya Sabha. But some of the partners of
the Sanmilita Sahitya Sabha did not like the idea of bringing

Re: [Assam] Do Assamese have an inferiority complex?

2006-02-17 Thread Rajen Barua




Yes, I agree, but in Assam it is I 
think affecting Assamese media schools.
While Hindi also has this 
inrefiriorty complex for English, but the fact remains, in Assam we have lot of 
Central Hindi/English schools where Assamese are not taught. Assamese think 
those schools are better.

So the issue is I think Assamese 
has a double inferiority complex.
One over English
Then one over Hindi/Bengali or 
anything west of Korotwa river.
Now a days, I have heard lot of 
Assamese youth in Guwahati like to speak in Hindi amongst their Assamese friends 
instead of Assamese.
You know how many of us like to 
speak in Bengali to a Bengali gentleman.
It is similar.
I am not saying speaking other 
language is bad, but not at the expense of your own language.

This is I think because Assamese 
think (in their subconscious mind) that Hindi/Bengali is a bit superior to 
Assamese.
Do you know how many books are 
being translated from Bengali and published in Assamese now a days?
Translation from Bengali? It bits 
me.
Is not this a sign of 'litikai' 
Assamese mind?

This is an additional complex which 
I perceive, but I may be wrong if somebody convince me otherwise.

Barua

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Ram Sarangapani 
  
  To: Rajen Barua 
  Cc: ASSAMNET 
  Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 9:37 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Assam] Do Assamese have an 
  inferiority complex?
  
  Barua,
  
  The 'inferiority complex' that Deka refers 
  to is NOT an 'Assamese only' complex. My feeling is that the complex exists 
  throughout India. In most places in India, if you can speak a bit of English, 
  you are considered 'educated'. In fact, I think that phenomena exists in most 
  parts of the world. 
  But that edge is only the first impression, subsequently, 
  one is judged by how much one knows (and not how well they speak 
  English).
  
  --Ram
  On 2/17/06, Rajen 
  Barua [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: 
  
However, he clarified that he was not campaigning 
against learning English. The Sabha wants the people of the State to earn 
expertise in English too. But there is no justification to treat 
the English medium schools as superior to the Assamese medium schools 
. Most of the owners of the English medium schools are interested 
only in making money, they are less bothered to improve the standard of 
education, he said. 

  
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ram Sarangapani 
  To: ASSAMNET 
  Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 9:08 
  AM
  Subject: [Assam] Do Assamese have an 
  inferiority complex?
  
  Highlights are mine.
  Some questions/comments 
  though:
  
  "Inferiority complex has made the 
  State's people opt for English instead of their own language in all 
  spheres of their life."
  
  I think people learn English because its 
  useful. Does knowing English, give one a 'superiority' edge? I don't think 
  so.
  
  "He also clarified that the Asam 
  Sahitya Sabha had not indulged in the recent controversy concerning the 
  definition of the Assamese people"
  
  One would have thought that a body like 
  the Sahitya Sabha would be the right body to define who is an Assamese if 
  need be.
  
  an how about this one below?
  
  "He also asserted that any arrangement 
  for autonomy 
  without a provision for percolation of power down to the grass 
  root level was meaningless. Such arrangements for autonomy 
  creates a new type of oligarchy and the common people continue to languish 
  as usual"
  
  Await readers' comments.
  
  Expand base of Assamese society - 
  ATBy A Staff ReporterGUWAHATI, 
  Feb 16 — Asam Sahitya Sabha president Kanaksen Deka today made an 
  appeal to the people to wage an all out battle against inferiority complex 
  that is afflicting the life of the State's people . He also urged 
  upon the people to expand the base of the Assamese society by making the 
  society assimilate all the new elements and also to become self-reliant 
  engaging themselves in trade and commerce. He was addressing the fourth 
  special annual session of the Asam Sahitya Sabha at the Belsor Sarat 
  Chandra Goswami Kshetra in Nalbari district. Inferiority 
  complex has made the State's people opt for English instead of their own 
  language in all spheres of their life. This complex is luring the 
  guardians to send their wards to the English medium schools. This is 
  against the basic doctrines of education, which speak of imparting 
  education at the primary level through mother tongues. This inclination 
  towards English is a product of the hangover of our colonial past, Deka 
  said. However, he clarified that he was not campaigning against 
  learning English. The Sabha wants the people of the State to earn 
  expertise in

Re: [Assam] Do Assamese have an inferiority complex?

C'da,
There is NO better weapon--or skill--that a desi gets intimidated by :-), 

Hehehe! This last time at Delhi Airport, the security at the gate wouldn't let me in as I had an eticket (no paper ticket). All I said was 'what do you mean, you won't let me' or something along those lines - and pronto, I was waved in.


But I think that works against only those who know little or no spoken English.

I agree with you knowing English is a great skill, but knowing a number of languages is a better skill, and specially you mother tongue.

But, what about this other thing about the definition for who is an Assamese:

He also clarified that the Asam Sahitya Sabha had not indulged in the recent controversy concerning the definition of the Assamese people - AT

One would think that the Saithya Sabha would be an able body to come up with a definition. As a well respected organization, who would be better. I am surprised they would be gun shy on that issue.


--Ram





On 2/17/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In fact I would go a step farther and suggest that the Assamese LEARN better English, written and spoken, for them to be able to assert themselves.

There is NO better weapon--or skill--that a desi gets intimidated by :-), does not matter how qualified he or she is otherwise,than a person who is proficient in English, more so on the spoken front than the written one.


But that is NOT to suggest they ought not to learn BETTER Oxomiya too. In fact the Oxomiya instructions should be far better it was or is now, just like for English and every conceivable subject.












At 9:37 AM -0600 2/17/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
Barua,

The 'inferiority complex' that Deka refers to is NOT an 'Assamese only' complex. My feeling is that the complex exists throughout India. In most places in India, if you can speak a bit of English, you are considered 'educated'. In fact, I think that phenomena exists in most parts of the world.

But that edge is only the first impression, subsequently, one is judged by how much one knows (and not how well they speak English).

--Ram
On 2/17/06, Rajen Barua [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
However, he clarified that he was not campaigning against learning English. The Sabha wants the people of the State to earn expertise in English too. But there is no justification to treat the English medium schools as superior to the Assamese medium schools
 . Most of the owners of the English medium schools are interested only in making money, they are less bothered to improve the standard of education, he said.
- Original Message -
From: Ram Sarangapani
To: ASSAMNET
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 9:08 AM
Subject: [Assam] Do Assamese have an inferiority complex?

Highlights are mine.
Some questions/comments though:

Inferiority complex has made the State's people opt for English instead of their own language in all spheres of their life.

I think people learn English because its useful. Does knowing English, give one a 'superiority' edge? I don't think so.

He also clarified that the Asam Sahitya Sabha had not indulged in the recent controversy concerning the definition of the Assamese people


One would have thought that a body like the Sahitya Sabha would be the right body to define who is an Assamese if need be.

an how about this one below?

He also asserted that any arrangement for autonomy without a provision for percolation of power down to the grass root level
 was meaningless. Such arrangements for autonomy creates a new type of oligarchy and the common people continue to languish as usual

Await readers' comments.

Expand base of Assamese society - ATBy A Staff ReporterGUWAHATI, Feb 16 - Asam Sahitya Sabha president Kanaksen Deka today made an appeal to the people to wage an all out battle against inferiority complex that is afflicting the life of the State's people
 . He also urged upon the people to expand the base of the Assamese society by making the society assimilate all the new elements and also to become self-reliant engaging themselves in trade and commerce. He was addressing the fourth special annual session of the Asam Sahitya Sabha at the Belsor Sarat Chandra Goswami Kshetra in Nalbari district.
Inferiority complex has made the State's people opt for English instead of their own language in all spheres of their life. This complex is luring the guardians to send their wards to the English medium schools. This is against the basic doctrines of education, which speak of imparting education at the primary level through mother tongues. This inclination towards English is a product of the hangover of our colonial past, Deka said.
However, he clarified that he was not campaigning against learning English. The Sabha wants the people of the State to earn expertise in English too. But there is no justification to treat the English medium schools as superior to the Assamese medium schools. Most of the owners of the English medium schools are interested only in making money, they

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Re: [Assam] Do Assamese have an inferiority complex?

Title: Re: [Assam] Do Assamese have an inferiority
complex?


But, what about this other thing about the
definition for who is an Assamese:


*** That is a FAKE issue, like I explained before, manufactured
by Delhi and willingly accepted by its Assamese agents as a ploy to
muddy the demands of cultural protection by the many indigenous
peoples of the region against the invasion of Hindi/Hindu ( read
Cow-belt) and Bollywood influences asa well as unchecked B'Deshi
immigration.

All citizens of Assam are Assamese, like all citizens of India
are Indians.

But just like in India, the population of Assam is composed of
many ETHNICITIES!

*** The FAKE issue is further complicated by that damned English
language, because of which it is easy for Dilli's agents in Assam to
perpetuate the myth that somehow there is a problem of defining WHO
the Assamese are.

There are SEVERAL kinds of Assamese:

 1: The
Assamese nationality
 2: The
Assamese language.
 3: The
Assmese ethnicity

And they are NOT all the same, as the manufacturer's of the FAKE
issue would have people believe. Once you separate them out, only the
mentally challenged would see a problem in DEFINING who an Assamese
is.










At 10:59 AM -0600 2/17/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da,
There is NO better
weapon--or skill--that a desi gets intimidated by
:-),

Hehehe! This last time at
Delhi Airport, the security at the gate wouldn't let me in as I had an
eticket (no paper ticket). All I said was 'what do you mean, you won't
let me' or something along those lines - and pronto, I was waved
in.

But I think that works
against only those who know little or no spoken
English.

I agree with you knowing
English is a great skill, but knowing a number of languages is a
better skill, and specially you mother tongue.

But, what about this
other thing about the definition for who is an
Assamese:

He also clarified that the Asam Sahitya Sabha
had not indulged in the recent controversy concerning the definition
of the Assamese people - AT

One would
think that the Saithya Sabha would be an able body to come up with a
definition. As a well respected organization, who would be better. I
am surprised they would be gun shy on that issue.

--Ram












On 2/17/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
In fact I would go a step farther and suggest that the
Assamese LEARN better English, written and spoken, for them to be able
to assert themselves.


There is NO better weapon--or skill--that a desi gets
intimidated by :-), does not matter how qualified he or she is
otherwise,than a person who is proficient in English, more so on the
spoken front than the written one.


But that is NOT to suggest they ought not to learn BETTER
Oxomiya too. In fact the Oxomiya instructions should be far better it
was or is now, just like for English and every conceivable
subject.






















At 9:37 AM -0600 2/17/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
Barua,





The 'inferiority complex' that Deka
refers to is NOT an 'Assamese only' complex. My feeling is that the
complex exists throughout India. In most places in India, if you can
speak a bit of English, you are considered 'educated'. In fact, I
think that phenomena exists in most parts of the world.

But that edge is only the first
impression, subsequently, one is judged by how much one knows (and not
how well they speak English).



--Ram



On 2/17/06, Rajen Barua [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
However, he clarified that he was not
campaigning against learning English. The Sabha wants the people of
the State to earn expertise in English too. But there is no
justification to treat the English medium schools as superior to
the Assamese medium schools . Most of the owners of the English
medium schools are interested only in making money, they are less
bothered to improve the standard of education, he
said.

- Original Message -

From: Ram
Sarangapani

To: ASSAMNET

Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 9:08 AM

Subject: [Assam] Do Assamese have an inferiority
complex?




Highlights are
mine.

Some questions/comments
though:



Inferiority
complex has made the State's people opt for English instead of their
own language in all spheres of their life.



I think people learn
English because its useful. Does knowing English, give one a
'superiority' edge? I don't think so.



He also clarified
that the Asam Sahitya Sabha had not indulged in the recent controversy
concerning the definition of the Assamese people



One would have thought
that a body like the Sahitya Sabha would be the right body to define
who is an Assamese if need be.



an how about this one
below?



He also asserted
that any arrangement for
autonomy without a provision for percolation of power down to the
grass root level was
meaningless. Such arrangements for autonomy creates a new type of
oligarchy and the common people continue to languish as
usual



Await readers'
comments.



Expand base of Assamese
society - AT
By A Staff Reporter
GUWAHATI, Feb 16 - Asam Sahitya Sabha

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Re: [Assam] Do Assamese have an inferiority complex?

I would that we all (living beings) have an inferiority complex - but courage lies in overcoming our fears and forging ahead in an uncertain and unknown world. The only one with superiority complex is the fool with lots of money and no responsibility.UmeshChan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:But, what about this other thing about the definition for who is an Assamese:  *** That is a FAKE issue, like I explained before, manufactured by Delhi and willingly accepted by its Assamese agents as a ploy to muddy the demands of cultural protection by the many indigenous peoples of the region against the invasion of
 Hindi/Hindu ( read Cow-belt) and Bollywood influences asa well as unchecked B'Deshi immigration.All citizens of Assam are Assamese, like all citizens of India are Indians.But just like in India, the population of Assam is composed of many ETHNICITIES!*** The FAKE issue is further complicated by that damned English language, because of which it is easy for Dilli's agents in Assam to perpetuate the myth that somehow there is a problem of defining WHO the Assamese are.There are SEVERAL kinds of Assamese: 1: The Assamese nationality   2: The Assamese language.   3: The Assmese ethnicityAnd they are NOT all
 the same, as the manufacturer's of the FAKE issue would have people believe. Once you separate them out, only the mentally challenged would see a problem in DEFINING who an Assamese is.  At 10:59 AM -0600 2/17/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:  C'da,  There is NO better weapon--or skill--that a desi gets intimidated by :-),Hehehe! This last time at Delhi Airport, the security at the gate wouldn't let me in as I had an eticket (no paper ticket). All I said was 'what do you mean, you won't let me' or something along those lines - and pronto, I was waved in.But I think that works against only those who know little or no spoken English.I agree with you knowing English is a great skill, but knowing a number of languages is a better skill, and specially you mother tongue.But, what about this other thing about the definition for who is an Assamese:"He also clarified that the Asam Sahitya Sabha had not indulged in the recent controversy concerning the definition of the Assamese people" - ATOne would think that the Saithya Sabha would be an able body to come up with a definition. As a well respected organization, who would be better. I am surprised they would be gun shy on that issue.--RamOn 2/17/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  In fact I would go a step farther and suggest that the Assamese LEARN better English, written and spoken, for them to
 be able to assert themselves.There is NO better weapon--or skill--that a desi gets intimidated by :-), does not matter how qualified he or she is otherwise,than a person who is proficient in English, more so on the spoken front than the written one.But that is NOT to suggest they ought not to learn BETTER Oxomiya too. In fact the Oxomiya instructions should be far better it was or is now, just like for English and every conceivable subject. 
   At 9:37 AM -0600 2/17/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:  Barua,  The 'inferiority complex' that Deka refers to is NOT an 'Assamese only' complex. My feeling is that the complex exists throughout India. In most places in India, if you can speak a bit of English, you are considered 'educated'. In fact, I think that phenomena exists in most parts of the world.  But that edge is only the first impression, subsequently, one is judged by how much one knows (and not how well they speak English).--Ram  On 2/17/06, Rajen Barua [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 However, he clarified that he was not campaigning against learning English. The Sabha wants the people of the State to earn expertise in English too. But there is no justification to treat the English medium schools as superior to the Assamese medium schools . Most of the owners of the English medium schools are interested only in making money, they are less bothered to improve the standard of education, he said.- Original Message -  From: Ram Sarangapani  To: ASSAMNET  Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 9:08 AM  Subject: [Assam] Do Assamese have an inferiority complex?Highlights are mine.  Some questions/comments though:"Inferiority complex has made the State's people opt for English instead of their own language in all spheres of their life."I think people learn English because its useful. Does knowing English, give one a 'superiority' edge? I don't think so."He also clarified that the Asam Sahitya Sabha had not indulged in the recent controversy concerning the definition of the Assamese people"One would have thought that a body like the Sahitya Sabha would
 be the right body to define who is an Assamese if need be.an how about this one below?"He also asserted that any arrangement for autonomy without a provision for

Re: [Assam] Do Assamese have an inferiority complex?

  I think, at the very least they were hesitant to even broach the 
subject. Why couldn't they, like you say:

All citizens of Assam are Assamese, like all citizens of India are Indians.



*** I don't know. Sometimes people are unable to see the obvious. 
Sometimes it is a problem of attempting to awake who is NOT asleep.

But perhaps I ought to write a letter to some Editor. Who knows 
people may see the light? What do YOU think?









At 11:39 AM -0600 2/17/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da,

I don't know all the intricacies of the issue. But if, as you say 
its an issue manufactured by Dilli and is willingly accepted by some 
Assamese 'agents', why doesn't the Sahithya Sabha say its a fake 
issue and let the people in general know where they stand on the 
issue.

I think, at the very least they were hesitant to even broach the 
subject. Why couldn't they, like you say:

All citizens of Assam are Assamese, like all citizens of India are Indians.

I will hold back my take on this for a while -:)

--Ram



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Re: [Assam] History: Univ. of Maryland, Howard Univ -- Harvard vs the rest

Advice for collegeapplicants: I may add that nothing like Harvard exists in India at all !! Thats the best part of Harvard - it focuses on something which is not focused upon by any other Univ - human beings. Thats what I wrote in my student essay for admissions. Nearly all its programs for graduate study -- are human focused - govt, edu, bus, medicine, law, public health, religion. Its basic sciences deptt is unmatched by any. However, it does not offer (tech) engineering degrees -atleast to the extent offered by MIT , Stanford or Caltech. MIT does not provide any BA or MEd all.So Harvard Univ. would like a higher version of all (in India) includingall IIMs, Medical colleges like AIIMS, MAMCand CMC, Law - Nat. Law Univ bangalore, IIScience, TISS (social work), NCERT(Edu) , IAS training Inst, JJ Art, NID (design) etc.Umeshumesh sharma
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:This is from independent student newspaper of Univ of Maryland, College Park (5 miles from Washington DC) - a govt onwed univ in a "Southern state" in USA. Historically southern states have had the greatest level of slavery and opposed Lincoln's efforts to end it.  We could compare this with Delhi or Gauhati Univ or IITs or IIMS- since they are also govt run ones. The only one comparable with Harvard or Stanford or MIT is the BITS Pilani - since it is also private and reputed with long history. It is morelike stanford since has an independent campus away from any major city and same color (yellowish brown) of buildings and also a prominently located temple (like the church at Stanford's main building complex) and is also
 focussed on tech. And also in a desert in Rajasthan - like Stanfrod in california.  umesh  ---  News: On-CampusAn ironic path to integrationBy Bethonie Butler http://www.diamondbackonline.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2006/02/15/43f2da0f8fb71February 15, 2006  When sophomore government and politics major Chaz Ball was applying to college three years ago, he, like many black students, faced what he calls an interesting dilemma.  He had applied to this university, along with other large
 public universities, such as the University of Pennsylvania, Tulane and Georgia Tech. And at that point, the idea of attending a historically black college or university (HBCU), was just that  an idea. But his stepfather, who had attended an HBCU, and his mother encouraged him to apply to Howard University in Washington.Balls interesting dilemma, which almost landed him at an HBCU, represented a choice long been denied to black students before him. Once the only option for black students wishing to go into higher education, HBCUs are defined under the amended Higher Education Act of 1965 as any college or university, established prior to 1964, whose principal mission was, and is, the education of black Americans.  Ball, who had initially accepted a full scholarship to Howard, one of the nations oldest private black colleges, got surprising reactions from teachers who said he could do better. Despite having a lot of respect for Howard, which he calls the
 heartland of HBCUs, Ball opted to attend this university instead, driven in part by the vast racial diversity he knew he would not experience at an HBCU.  Were given now the opportunity that our ancestors werent given and the opportunity that, if our ancestors were given that, they probably would have taken, Ball said.  Its hard to imagine that much of black students ability to choose whether to attend an HBCU or predominately white institution (PWI) such as this university is owed to a man who in 1935 wrote in a letter to the dean of the university law school, Perhaps I shall have to go to jail, but I think we have got to keep the Negroes out [of this university]. But University System president Harry Clifton Curley Byrd, who ran this university from 1935 to 1954, fought to keep blacks out of this university. And the institutions now known as HBCUs were his means for doing so.  As early as the 1930s, the university began receiving letters
 from blacks who wanted to study at the universitys graduate schools.  In 1930, former Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall decided not to apply because he anticipated he would not get in, according to Juan Williams, author of the first-year book Thurgood Marshall: American Revolutionary, and he enrolled at Howard instead. Williams book relies on two Marshall interviews filed in the Library of congress, but other historians believe Marshall did apply to the law school and was rejected. In 1933, after graduating from Howard, Marshall took on the case of Donald Murray, who had been denied admittance to the law school.  Murray had been told although there were no so-called equal facilities in which he could study law in the state of Maryland, he could apply for scholarship money to use at an out-of-state school. But Murray and his lawyer refused to take no for an

Re: [Assam] Do Assamese have an inferiority complex?

C'da,
But perhaps I ought to write a letter to some Editor. Who knowspeople may see the light? What do YOU think?

I think you should. You might have some luck in getting it published -:)
*** I don't know. Sometimes people are unable to see the obvious.Sometimes it is a problem of attempting to awake who is NOT asleep.
I think I know why the Sahitya Sabha is trying to avoid the issue. They don't want to touch it with a ten-foot pole because the issue IS controversial. There are those like you, who see no need for a defintion, and then there are those who think its
important to have a definition.

That definition for them would mean weeding out illegal B'deshis. It may be a first step (1947, 1971, 1991 or whatever) but at least they would know who the ethinic people are and who are not.

I assume your definition of Assamese would encompass all ethinic people including Bodos, Miris, Biharis, Marwaris etc also, who have been living in Assam for ever? -:)

--Ram

On 2/17/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think, at the very least they were hesitant to even broach thesubject. Why couldn't they, like you say:
All citizens of Assam are Assamese, like all citizens of India are Indians.*** I don't know. Sometimes people are unable to see the obvious.Sometimes it is a problem of attempting to awake who is NOT asleep.
But perhaps I ought to write a letter to some Editor. Who knowspeople may see the light? What do YOU think?At 11:39 AM -0600 2/17/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:C'da,
I don't know all the intricacies of the issue. But if, as you sayits an issue manufactured by Dilli and is willingly accepted by someAssamese 'agents', why doesn't the Sahithya Sabha say its a fake
issue and let the people in general know where they stand on theissue.I think, at the very least they were hesitant to even broach thesubject. Why couldn't they, like you say:
All citizens of Assam are Assamese, like all citizens of India are Indians.I will hold back my take on this for a while -:)--Ram
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Title: Re: [Assam] Do Assamese have an inferiority
complex?


At 12:11 PM -0600 2/17/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da,
But perhaps I ought to write a letter
to some Editor. Who knows
people may see the light? What do YOU think?

I think you should. You might have some
luck in getting it published -:)

*** I don't know. Sometimes people are unable to see the
obvious.
Sometimes it is a problem of attempting to awake who is NOT
asleep.




I think I know why
the Sahitya Sabha is trying to avoid the issue. They don't want to
touch it with a ten-foot pole because the issue IS
controversial.

*** May be. But I don't see the controversy here.

First pin down WHAT KIND of Assamese ( Oxomiya) they are
trying to define:
The Assamese National ( Oxomiya naagorik), the Assamese Language
( Oxomiya bhaxa) or the Assamese Ethnic ( Oxomiya jaati).

It is as simple as that, don't you think?


That definition for them would mean
weeding out illegal B'deshis.

*** Question is WHO or HOW? Besides, there is a HUMAN issue too.
It is a POLITICAL problem in addition to one of legalities, just like
the millions of undocumented aliens in the USA. Why do you think
California won't deport all the undocumented Mexicans or Central
Americans? Or why did Giuliani resisted his Republican party patriots
who were attempting to oust the undocumented aliens that virtually RUN
New York city today? Just like Califiornia, NY City will collapse
overnight if all the undocumented are gone. US Agriculture will
collapse across the continent if the undocumented Latino are thrown
out, as would huge segments of the construction industry.

Ultimately reality sinks in. The pursuit of preserving
ethnic/language/religious/culture purity unfortunately has
consequences. But those who cry hoarse over it are a small minority
who are not effected by those consequences.







I assume your definition of Assamese
would encompass all ethinic people including Bodos, Miris,
Biharis, Marwaris etc also, who have been living in Assam for
ever? -:)

*** It is a legal issue, of citizenship. Why are the Assamese
RESPONSIBLE for defining it ? Doesn't India have a DEFINITION of who a
citizen is?

But past the citizenship issue, there indeed is a distinction
between those ( of different ethnic identities) who are indigenous
peoples, and those who are in Assam as carpetbaggers--to exploit it,
but have never accepted it as a home, regardless of how many
generations they might have lived in its geographical
boundaries.

That IS a nuance that could not and should not be either glossed
over, or buried under the legal definition ( current one) of
citizenship.











There are
those like you, who see no need for a defintion, and then there are
those who think its important to have a
definition.

That definition for
them would mean weeding out illegal B'deshis. It may be a first step
(1947, 1971, 1991 or whatever) but at least they would know who the
ethinic people are and who are not.

I assume your
definition of Assamese would encompass all ethinic people including
Bodos, Miris, Biharis, Marwaris etc also, who have been living in
Assam for ever? -:)

--Ram











On 2/17/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I think, at the very least they were
hesitant to even broach the
subject. Why couldn't they, like you say:

All citizens of Assam are Assamese, like all citizens of
India are Indians.



*** I don't know. Sometimes people are unable to see the obvious.
Sometimes it is a problem of attempting to awake who is NOT
asleep.

But perhaps I ought to write a letter to some Editor. Who knows
people may see the light? What do YOU think?









At 11:39 AM -0600 2/17/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da,

I don't know all the intricacies of the issue. But if, as you
say
its an issue manufactured by Dilli and is willingly accepted by
some
Assamese 'agents', why doesn't the Sahithya Sabha say its a
fake
issue and let the people in general know where they
stand on the
issue.

I think, at the very least they were hesitant to even broach
the
subject. Why couldn't they, like you say:

All citizens of Assam are Assamese, like all citizens of
India are Indians.

I will hold back my take on this for a while -:)

--Ram





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2006-02-17 Thread Kamna Das



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apparently this really works..  i cant tell yet as i will hopefully receive a
phone call as soon as i send this mail out to you!!! Go on try a little magic







  -ct:
FW: Fwd: try it, it really works 













have nothing to lose by sending it out!

Ok guys, this truly is freaky, the 

phone literally rang as soon as I read 

the last word of this email! 

I am taking the bait - 

what do I have to lose right? 

Hope it works! 

Supposedly The Phone Will Ring 

Right After You Do This. 

Just read the little stories and 

think of a wish as you scroll all 

the way to the bottom. There is 

a message there - then make your 

wish. 
No attachment on this one. 

Stories 

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that my dad would come home from 

the army, because he'd been having 

problems with his heart and right 

leg. It was 2:53 p.m. When I made 

my wish. At 3:07 p.m. (14 minutes 

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Re: [Assam] Do Assamese have an inferiority complex?

Title: Re: [Assam] Do Assamese have an inferiority
complex?


At 4:01 PM -0600 2/17/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da,
***
It is a legal issue, of citizenship. Why are the Assamese
RESPONSIBLE for defining it ? Doesn't India have a DEFINITION
of who a citizen is?

India does have a concrete definition for
who is or is not an Indian citizenship.
Obviously, India (GOI) is not going to
define who and Assamese Citizen is? Because in India individual states
do not offer citizenship rights (as some assume).



*** Very slippery one this Ram--you are trying to rescue GoI
again aren't you?

I was NOT talking of WHO an Assamese is, I was referring to YOUIR
concerns about them B'deshis.

And my question stands: ***
It is a legal issue, of citizenship. Why are the Assamese
RESPONSIBLE for defining it ? Doesn't India have a DEFINITION
of who a citizen is?





The question of defining who an Assamese
is, is more to do with how Assamese residents of Assam would like to
define themselves than to do with Indian citizenship
matters.



*** Again, who an Assamese is is a FAKE question. There cannot be
any confusion about it, for reasons I explained quite clearly. Is it
hard for you to understand Ram :-)? And would you explain WHY , if you
still don't get it?


For example: If say a group of people
demand 100% job reservations for locals, who is included in this
100%?.

*** That could very well be implied to be the INDIGENOUS
population of geographical Assam. I cannot see where the confusion is
in this instance either.






The Shiv Sena says 100% for people who
are born Maharati.

BTW: If GOI did take it upon itself to
define who an Assamese is, will you accept that definition? and how
well?

***
Question is WHO or HOW? Besides, there is a HUMAN issue too. It is a
POLITICAL problem in addition to one of legalities, just like the
millions of undocumented aliens in the USA ...

Of course there is the human issue. I can
understand the problem of 'identification', but there should not be a
problem to set the parameters.

As for the human issue, what do we
do? Throw open the borders?



*** You tell us. I am not the one who is pressing the point. You
are. Obviously you know how to resolve it. So do tell :-).





In fact why have a
border?



*** How about 'To make believe'--as GoI, the party
constitutionally responsible, with the legal authority and the control
on resources, has been f doing all these decades?




You seem to have more of a soft corner
for the B'deshi illegals than for the Bihari thelawala -:) What gives
C'da?



*** What is the reason for your making this conclusion Ram? Can
you explain?


c-da






--Ram



On 2/17/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
At 12:11 PM -0600 2/17/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da,



But perhaps I ought to write a letter to some Editor.
Who knows
people may see the light? What do YOU think?



I think you should. You might have some luck in getting it
published -:)


*** I don't know. Sometimes people are unable to see the
obvious.
Sometimes it is a problem of attempting to awake who is NOT
asleep.






I think I know why
the Sahitya Sabha is trying to avoid the issue. They don't want to
touch it with a ten-foot pole because the issue IS
controversial.



*** May be. But I don't see the controversy here.


First pin down WHAT KIND of Assamese ( Oxomiya) they
are trying to define:
The Assamese National ( Oxomiya naagorik), the Assamese
Language ( Oxomiya bhaxa) or the Assamese Ethnic ( Oxomiya
jaati).


It is as simple as that, don't you think?




That definition for them would
mean weeding out illegal B'deshis.


*** Question is WHO or HOW? Besides, there is a HUMAN
issue too. It is a POLITICAL problem in addition to one of legalities,
just like the millions of undocumented aliens in the USA. Why do you
think California won't deport all the undocumented Mexicans or Central
Americans? Or why did Giuliani resisted his Republican party patriots
who were attempting to oust the undocumented aliens that virtually RUN
New York city today? Just like Califiornia, NY City will collapse
overnight if all the undocumented are gone. US Agriculture will
collapse across the continent if the undocumented Latino are thrown
out, as would huge segments of the construction industry.


Ultimately reality sinks in. The pursuit of preserving
ethnic/language/religious/culture purity unfortunately has
consequences. But those who cry hoarse over it are a small minority
who are not effected by those consequences.














I assume your definition of
Assamese would encompass all ethinic people including Bodos,
Miris, Biharis, Marwaris etc also, who have been living in Assam
for ever? -:)


*** It is a legal issue, of citizenship. Why are the
Assamese RESPONSIBLE for defining it ? Doesn't India have a DEFINITION
of who a citizen is?


But past the citizenship issue, there indeed is a
distinction between those ( of different ethnic identities) who are
indigenous peoples, and those who are in Assam as

[Assam] Keteki

Today's AT had a great photo of a keteki perching on a Shimolu flower branch.
I sent the photo to a birder friend of mine, who could not id the bird - only deals with North American birds.

Anyone knows what the keteki is called in English? a kind of swallow?
( For those who missed it -see attachment)


attachment: keteki.jpeg
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Re: [Assam] Do Assamese have an inferiority complex?

C'da,

*** Very slippery one this Ram--you are trying to rescue GoI again aren't you?

No, not really - but if Assamese demand that of the GOI, wouldn't they have to know which group of people they are talking about, which group needs protection from the GOI so as not to become a minority in Assam.

*** Again, who an Assamese is is a FAKE question.

Yes, that could be a fake question. Maybe the question is who else is trying to get into the Assamese bandwagon for ulterior motives, and who is trying to include others into this group?

You seem to have more of a soft corner for the B'deshi illegals than for the Bihari thelawala -:) What gives C'da?

*** What is the reason for your making this conclusion Ram? Can you explain?

I was trying to deduce - maybe I am wrong, but you could clarify your statements below:

there indeed is a distinction between those ( of different ethnic identities) who are indigenous peoples, and those who are in Assam as carpetbaggers--to exploit it, but have never accepted it as a home, regardless of how many generations they might have lived in its geographical boundaries.

(A case for protecting Assam from the unscrupulous Indians?)

and

Besides, there is a HUMAN issue too. It is a POLITICAL problem in addition to one of legalities, just like the millions of undocumented aliens in the USA. Why do you think California won't deport all the undocumented Mexicans or Central Americans? Or why did Giuliani resisted his Republican party patriots who were attempting to oust the undocumented aliens that virtually RUN New York city today? Just like Califiornia,
NY City will collapse overnight if all the undocumented are gone. US Agriculture will collapse across the continent if the undocumented Latino are thrown out, as would huge segments of the construction industry.

(Building a case why illegal immigration is important to Assam's economy - nay its survival?)
--Ram

On 2/17/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

At 4:01 PM -0600 2/17/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da,
*** It is a legal issue, of citizenship. Why are the Assamese RESPONSIBLE for defining it ? Doesn't India have a DEFINITION of who a citizen is?

India does have a concrete definition for who is or is not an Indian citizenship.
Obviously, India (GOI) is not going to define who and Assamese Citizen is? Because in India individual states do not offer citizenship rights (as some assume).

*** Very slippery one this Ram--you are trying to rescue GoI again aren't you?

I was NOT talking of WHO an Assamese is, I was referring to YOUIR concerns about them B'deshis.

And my question stands: *** It is a legal issue, of citizenship. Why are the Assamese RESPONSIBLE for defining it ? Doesn't India have a DEFINITION of who a citizen is?

The question of defining who an Assamese is, is more to do with how Assamese residents of Assam would like to define themselves than to do with Indian citizenship matters.

*** Again, who an Assamese is is a FAKE question. There cannot be any confusion about it, for reasons I explained quite clearly. Is it hard for you to understand Ram :-)? And would you explain WHY , if you still don't get it?

For example: If say a group of people demand 100% job reservations for locals, who is included in this 100%?.

*** That could very well be implied to be the INDIGENOUS population of geographical Assam. I cannot see where the confusion is in this instance either.

The Shiv Sena says 100% for people who are born Maharati.

BTW: If GOI did take it upon itself to define who an Assamese is, will you accept that definition? and how well?

*** Question is WHO or HOW? Besides, there is a HUMAN issue too. It is a POLITICAL problem in addition to one of legalities, just like the millions of undocumented aliens in the USA
...

Of course there is the human issue. I can understand the problem of 'identification', but there should not be a problem to set the parameters.

As for the human issue, what do we do? Throw open the borders?

*** You tell us. I am not the one who is pressing the point. You are. Obviously you know how to resolve it. So do tell :-).

In fact why have a border?

*** How about 'To make believe'--as GoI, the party constitutionally responsible, with the legal authority and the control on resources, has been f doing all these decades?

You seem to have more of a soft corner for the B'deshi illegals than for the Bihari thelawala -:) What gives C'da?

*** What is the reason for your making this conclusion Ram? Can you explain?

c-da

--Ram

On 2/17/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 12:11 PM -0600 2/17/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da,

But perhaps I ought to write a letter to some Editor. Who knowspeople may see the light? What do YOU think?

I think I know why

Re: [Assam] Keteki

Title: Re: [Assam] Keteki


Ram:

It is


Chokhgelo
Pakhi ( also Bou Kotha Kow--as in Moi Keteku) in
Bengali, Common Hawk
Cuckoo [Brainfever Bird], Hierococcyx varius[Cuculus
varius]. I used o know the Hindi name, but I forget now,
and can't remeber where I had the info.

Anyway, if you look up 'Hierococcyx varius' in the web. youwill
find all kinds of info on it.

c-da






At 4:52 PM -0600 2/17/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
Today's AT had a great
photo of a keteki perching on a Shimolu flower
branch.
I sent the photo to a
birder friend of mine, who could not id the bird - only deals with
North American birds.

Anyone knows what the
keteki is called in English? a kind of
swallow?
( For those who missed it
-see attachment)



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Re: [Assam] FW: FW: Fwd: FW: Fwd: hope it works for all of us

Kamna-ji,Good to hear from you after a long time. Must be busy with all this revolution in genetic engg at your Columbia Univ and elsewhere in the world -even South Korea with the dog cloner.I believe that even if one has nothing else - there should be hope. Without hope of a better future one cannot persevere. I think forwarded mail can atleast provide hope for a miracle.UmeshKamna Das [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  -Original Message-From: deepa das [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 1:58 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Kamna Das;[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];[EMAIL PROTECTED];
 [EMAIL PROTECTED];[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Fwd: FW: Fwd: FW: Fwd: hope it works for all of usHope the phone rings !Note: Forwarded message attached-- Original Message --From: "AlkaAjit Rangnekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: FW: Fwd: FW: Fwd: hope it works for all of usSubject: FW: Fwd: FW: Fwd: hope it works for all of usDate: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:04:56 -0500From: "AlkaAjit Rangnekar" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
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 +Note: forwarded message attached.-To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developedthe all new Yahoo! Security Centre.Subject: hope it works for all of usDate: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 23:00:25 -0500From: "rama krishnan" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],---From: Arun Kapur [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tue 2/7/2006 2:47 PMapparently this really works.. i cant tell yet as i will hopefully receive aphone call as
 soon as i send this mail out to you!!! Go on try a little magic-ct:FW: Fwd: try it, it really works have nothing to lose by sending it out!Ok guys, this truly is freaky, the phone literally rang as soon as I read the last word of this email! I am taking the bait - what do I have to lose right? Hope it works! Supposedly The Phone Will Ring Right After You Do This. Just read the little stories and think of a wish as you scroll all the way to the bottom. There is a message there - then make your wish. No attachment on this one. Stories I'm 13 years old, and I wished that my dad would come home from the army, because he'd been having problems with his heart and right leg.
 It was 2:53 p.m. When I made my wish. At 3:07 p.m. (14 minutes later), the! doorbell rang, and there my Dad was, luggage and all!! I'm Katie and I'm 20 and I've been having trouble in my job and on the verge of quitting. I made a simple wish that my boss would get a new job. That was at 1:35 and at 2:55 there was an announcement that he was promoted and was leaving for another city. Believe me...this really works!!! My name is Ann and I am 45 years of age. I had always been single and had been hoping to get into a nice, loving relationship for many years. While kind of daydreaming (and right after receiving this email) I wished that a quality person would finally come into my life. That was at 9:10 AM on a Tuesday. At 9:55 AM a FedEx delivery man came into my office.He was cute, polite and
 could not stop smiling at me. He started coming back almost everyday (even without packages) and asked me out a week later. We married 6 months later and now have been happily married for 2 years. What a great email it was!! Just scroll down to the end, but while you do, think of a wish. Make your wish when you have completed scrolling.

Re: [Assam] monkey money Gogoi's Debojit's fortunes, Hanuman

Perhaps folks based in Assam can see that Debojit faced opposition at Mumbai music fest SaReGaManot becos he was from Assam but was a little knownoutsider from a place considered backward by Mumbaiites. Same for Mr Gogoi - current Mr India in body building championship.Just like backwardRajasthan's village born LN Mittal is considered in Europe - despite trying to make amends by buying the costliest house in the world ($400 million) and getting his daughter married off in a real French palace -the costliest marriage in the world (in monetary terms) - $100 million.It is an interesting phrase rooted in Indian history and culture -- "Monkey money!!"Mittal -the third richest in the world - was born in a village wthout electricy and scarce water in desert -so maybe he is considered a tribal -in the aristocratic European circles. And tribal might be like a monkey to
 city bred folks perhaps. Just the way tribal (Van (Jungle)+ Nar (man) ) Hanuman - the supreme devotee was labelled a monkey (vaanar) by the writers of Ramayan and now is worshipped as a monkey God by Hindus -since tribal was considered a lower person.http://ia.rediff.com/money/2006/feb/16mittal1.htm?q=bpfile=.htm  umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:"Monkey money" is what Arcelor chief called Mittal's fortunes as in the article. Seems like a catchy phrase often used by his team mates atleast. Primary school kids would also like the link between the two words.Money +
 k = Monkey!! So lots of money (K = 1000s) makes a monkey out of you!Umesh  PS: Incidently I had been trying this week to implement some of the things I learnt at the teacher training session last weekend - and did some - graphic organizers (like a butterfly to list out main points of a story) and strecthing exercises to get sleepyheads to work after school and being easy going on Valentine's Day since thay all had partied at school - the whole school was partying with lots of gifts and food. umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  http://www.ndtvprofit.com/homepage/StoryBusiness.asp?id=29817template=Umesh Sharma5121 Lackawanna STCollege Park, MD 207401-202-215-4328 [Cell
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[Assam] part 1-- NYT--Student Press - Us and Them -- California Textbook Revisions

it didn't go thru the first time.Umeshumesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despite excellent academics - many students in western universities and public schools do not know what is considered in bad taste or downright blasphemous in faiths other than Christianity . Here is something about views and portrayal of Islam and Hinduism by some students and academics. UmeshPS: I would say that just becos someone insulted Jews in Islamic govt owned media doesnot mean that Western media does the same to Islam or Buddhism or Hinduism. There are lotsof people of faiths other than Christianity or Judaism in the West and say in India (a non Islamic nation with 150 muslims)  
 --Illinois Student Paper Prints Muslim Cartoons, and Reaction Is Swift By MONICA DAVEY  Published: February 17, 2006  http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/17/national/17cartoons.html?_r=1oref=sloginCHAMPAIGN, Ill., Feb. 16  Since the morning the cartoons satirizing the Prophet Muhammad were republished in the student newspaper at the University of Illinois here, response has been swift and split. Muslim students and others
 held a protest on the main quadrangle on Tuesday,..."We did this to raise a healthy dialogue about an important issue that is in the news and so that people would learn more about Islam. Now, I'm basically fired."Most major American newspapers, including The New York Times, have not published the cartoons, which were first published in a Danish newspaper last September.   But on college campuses, student journalists are still grappling with the decision, saying the choice of most of the nation's newspapers makes theirs even more crucial. Editors at some student publications at the University of Wisconsin, Harvard University, Northern Illinois University and Illinois State University have published some of the cartoons. The decisions have set off a painful clash, seemingly pitting two of the values so often embraced in university environments  freedom of speech and sensitivity
 to other cultures  directly against each other......Shaz Kaiseruddin, a third-year law student and president of the Muslim Student Association, said she awoke to a phone call from an angry colleague.  "I was in disbelief that they would do this," Ms. Kaiseruddin, 24, said. "That our own student-based newspaper would be so ignorant and disrespectful."   Producing any image of Muhammad is considered blasphemous by many Muslims, and reproducing such anti-Muslim images, she said, revealed no understanding of the pain that would carry. Students met to plan a response.Richard Herman, the chancellor of the university, sent a letter criticizing the newspaper, which is published independently..."Umesh Sharma5121 Lackawanna STCollege Park, MD 20740 1-202-215-4328 [Cell Phone]Ed.M. - International Education PolicyHarvard Graduate
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Re: [Assam] Keteki

Wow! C'da that is really good info.
Since its got a Bengali name, I would guess its also common in Bengal.

Thank you
Ram
On 2/17/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Ram:

It is


Chokhgelo Pakhi ( also Bou Kotha Kow--as in Moi Keteku) in Bengali,
 Common Hawk Cuckoo [Brainfever Bird], Hierococcyx varius[Cuculus varius]. I used o know the Hindi name, but I forget now, and can't remeber where I had the info.


Anyway, if you look up 'Hierococcyx varius' in the web. youwill find all kinds of info on it.

c-da







At 4:52 PM -0600 2/17/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
Today's AT had a great photo of a keteki perching on a Shimolu flower branch.
I sent the photo to a birder friend of mine, who could not id the bird - only deals with North American birds.

Anyone knows what the keteki is called in English? a kind of swallow?
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Re: [Assam] History: Univ. of Maryland, Howard Univ -- Harvard vs the rest -biotech

I would add that in tech - there is biotech also -the fastest growing field for Indians also. the richest Indian woman Ms Shaw is in this field of biotech. Harvard is by far - the leader in this field - working together with MIT also on many projects. Here is more info.   New Science Complex - biotech http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/daily/2006/02/17-allston.htmlStem Cell research http://www.stemcell.harvard.edu/index.jspfor admissions: http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/daily/2006/02/17-ap.htmlumesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Advice
 for collegeapplicants: I may add that nothing like Harvard exists in India at all !! Thats the best part of Harvard - it focuses on something which is not focused upon by any other Univ - human beings. Thats what I wrote in my student essay for admissions. Nearly all its programs for graduate study -- are human focused - govt, edu, bus, medicine, law, public health, religion. Its basic sciences deptt is unmatched by any. However, it does not offer (tech) engineering degrees -atleast to the extent offered by MIT , Stanford or Caltech. MIT does not provide any BA or MEd all.So Harvard Univ. would like a higher version of all (in India) includingall IIMs, Medical colleges like AIIMS, MAMCand CMC, Law - Nat. Law Univ bangalore, IIScience, TISS (social work), NCERT(Edu) , IAS training Inst, JJ Art, NID (design) etc.Umeshumesh sharma
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:This is from independent student newspaper of Univ of Maryland, College Park (5 miles from Washington DC) - a govt onwed univ in a "Southern state" in USA. Historically southern states have had the greatest level of slavery and opposed Lincoln's efforts to end it.  We could compare this with Delhi or Gauhati Univ or IITs or IIMS- since they are also govt run ones. The only one comparable with Harvard or Stanford or MIT is the BITS Pilani - since it is also private and reputed with long history. It is morelike stanford since has an independent campus away from any major city and same color (yellowish brown) of buildings and also a prominently located temple (like the church at Stanford's main building complex) and is also
 focussed on tech. And also in a desert in Rajasthan - like Stanfrod in california.  umesh  ---  News: On-CampusAn ironic path to integrationBy Bethonie Butler http://www.diamondbackonline.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2006/02/15/43f2da0f8fb71February 15, 2006  When sophomore government and politics major Chaz Ball was applying to college three years ago, he, like many black students, faced what he calls an interesting dilemma.  He had applied to this university, along with other large
 public universities, such as the University of Pennsylvania, Tulane and Georgia Tech. And at that point, the idea of attending a historically black college or university (HBCU), was just that  an idea. But his stepfather, who had attended an HBCU, and his mother encouraged him to apply to Howard University in Washington.Balls interesting dilemma, which almost landed him at an HBCU, represented a choice long been denied to black students before him. Once the only option for black students wishing to go into higher education, HBCUs are defined under the amended Higher Education Act of 1965 as any college or university, established prior to 1964, whose principal mission was, and is, the education of black Americans.  Ball, who had initially accepted a full scholarship to Howard, one of the nations oldest private black colleges, got surprising reactions from teachers who said he could do better. Despite having a lot of respect for Howard, which he calls the
 heartland of HBCUs, Ball opted to attend this university instead, driven in part by the vast racial diversity he knew he would not experience at an HBCU.  Were given now the opportunity that our ancestors werent given and the opportunity that, if our ancestors were given that, they probably would have taken, Ball said.  Its hard to imagine that much of black students ability to choose whether to attend an HBCU or predominately white institution (PWI) such as this university is owed to a man who in 1935 wrote in a letter to the dean of the university law school, Perhaps I shall have to go to jail, but I think we have got to keep the Negroes out [of this university]. But University System president Harry Clifton Curley Byrd, who ran this university from 1935 to 1954, fought to keep blacks out of this university. And the institutions now known as HBCUs were his means for doing so.  As early as the 1930s, the university began receiving letters
 from blacks who wanted to study at the universitys graduate schools.  In 1930, former Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall decided not to apply because he anticipated he would not get in, according to Juan Williams, author of the first-year book Thurgood Marshall: American Revolutionary, and he enrolled at Howard

Re: [Assam] Do Assamese have an inferiority complex?

Dear Barua,


I agree. By refusing to indulge in the controversy of the definition of Assamese, Assam Sahitya Sabha has indeed declared to the worldthat it is a controversy for which it cannot offer any resolution. Now this is a big issue I would say. ASS admitting that it is a issue like 
'betonit poril ow, baxudebaye nomoh'.

This is winning point for Delhi who wants to take advantage of the controversy.

From the looks of it, this issue does seem to be controversial. 
If it were a benign issue, the Sahitya Sabha would have had no problem in giving their definition. 
They may not have relaized that there was also a controversy with the name Asom (instead of Oxom).

So, where do we stand?
The GOI will not do it, plus nobody will accept their definition.
The Sahitya Sabha will not do it. The GOA will not do it.
There are at least 4 or 5 different definitionsfloating around, and add to that the numerous nuances hanging on to each word in the definition.

While some of are saying, it is really a fake issue. If it is, I don't think the GOI will take it upon itself to get into every state's bidness and go asking for such definitions. Why get into the trouble and getting itself embroiled in one more headache?


--Ram


On 2/17/06, Barua25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



He also clarified that the Asam Sahitya Sabha had not indulged in the recent controversy concerning the definition of the Assamese people

One would have thought that a body like the Sahitya Sabha would be the right body to define who is an Assamese if need be.

an how about this one below?

I agree. By refusing to indulge in the controversy of the definition of Assamese, Assam Sahitya Sabha has indeed declared to the worldthat it is a controversy for which it cannot offer any resolution. Now this is a big issue I would say. ASS admitting that it is a issue like 
'betonit poril ow, baxudebaye nomoh'.

This is winning point for Delhi who wants to take advantage of the controversy.

RB

- Original Message - 
From: Ram Sarangapani 

To: ASSAMNET 
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 9:08 AM
Subject: [Assam] Do Assamese have an inferiority complex?


Highlights are mine.
Some questions/comments though:

Inferiority complex has made the State's people opt for English instead of their own language in all spheres of their life.

I think people learn English because its useful. Does knowing English, give one a 'superiority' edge? I don't think so.

He also clarified that the Asam Sahitya Sabha had not indulged in the recent controversy concerning the definition of the Assamese people

One would have thought that a body like the Sahitya Sabha would be the right body to define who is an Assamese if need be.

an how about this one below?

He also asserted that any arrangement for autonomy without a provision for percolation of power down to the grass root level 
was meaningless. Such arrangements for autonomy creates a new type of oligarchy and the common people continue to languish as usual

Await readers' comments.

Expand base of Assamese society - ATBy A Staff ReporterGUWAHATI, Feb 16 — Asam Sahitya Sabha president Kanaksen Deka today made an appeal to the people to wage an all out battle against inferiority complex that is afflicting the life of the State's people 
. He also urged upon the people to expand the base of the Assamese society by making the society assimilate all the new elements and also to become self-reliant engaging themselves in trade and commerce. He was addressing the fourth special annual session of the Asam Sahitya Sabha at the Belsor Sarat Chandra Goswami Kshetra in Nalbari district. 
Inferiority complex has made the State's people opt for English instead of their own language in all spheres of their life. This complex is luring the guardians to send their wards to the English medium schools. This is against the basic doctrines of education, which speak of imparting education at the primary level through mother tongues. This inclination towards English is a product of the hangover of our colonial past, Deka said. 
However, he clarified that he was not campaigning against learning English. The Sabha wants the people of the State to earn expertise in English too. But there is no justification to treat the English medium schools as superior to the Assamese medium schools. Most of the owners of the English medium schools are interested only in making money, they are less bothered to improve the standard of education, he said. 
The inferiority complex of the State's people is affecting their life in other areas also. They readily give up their time-tested clothes, cookery and snacks etc for the others'. They are also demanding reservation for themselves in many spheres. But the weak people, who are shy of competing with others, only raise the demand for reservation. This demand will spell doom for the peoples of the State in the coming days, he warned. 
He also clarified that the Asam Sahitya Sabha had not indulged in the recent

Re: [Assam] Do Assamese have an inferiority complex?

Title: Re: [Assam] Do Assamese have an inferiority
complex?


While some of are saying, it is really a fake issue.
If it is, I don't think the GOI will take it upon itself to get into
every state's bidness and go asking for such definitions. Why get into
the trouble and getting itself embroiled in one more
headache?



GoI has always practised the BBaDprinciple: Brute Force, Bribery
and Deceipt. So what else is new?









At 7:50 PM -0600 2/17/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
Dear Barua,

I agree. By refusing to indulge in the
controversy of the definition of Assamese, Assam Sahitya Sabha has
indeed declared to the worldthat it is a controversy for
which it cannot offer any resolution. Now this is a big issue I
would say. ASS admitting that it is a issue like 'betonit poril
ow, baxudebaye nomoh'.

This is winning point for Delhi who wants to take
advantage of the controversy.

From the looks of it, this issue does seem to be
controversial.
If it were a benign issue, the Sahitya Sabha would
have had no problem in giving their definition.
They may not have relaized that there was also a
controversy with the name Asom (instead of Oxom).

So, where do we stand?
The GOI will not do it, plus nobody will accept their
definition.
The Sahitya Sabha will not do it. The GOA will not do
it.
There are at least 4 or 5 different
definitionsfloating around, and add to that the numerous nuances
hanging on to each word in the definition.

While some of are saying, it is really a fake issue.
If it is, I don't think the GOI will take it upon itself to get into
every state's bidness and go asking for such definitions. Why get into
the trouble and getting itself embroiled in one more
headache?

--Ram





On 2/17/06, Barua25 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

He also
clarified that the Asam Sahitya Sabha had not indulged in the recent
controversy concerning the definition of the Assamese
people

One would have thought
that a body like the Sahitya Sabha would be the right body to define
who is an Assamese if need be.

an how about this one
below?

I agree.
By refusing to indulge in the controversy of the definition of
Assamese, Assam Sahitya Sabha has indeed declared to the
worldthat it is a controversy for which it cannot offer any
resolution. Now this is a big issue I would say. ASS admitting
that it is a issue like 'betonit poril ow, baxudebaye
nomoh'.

This is
winning point for Delhi who wants to take advantage of the
controversy.

RB
- Original Message -
From: Ram
Sarangapani
To: ASSAMNET
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 9:08
AM
Subject: [Assam] Do Assamese have an inferiority
complex?


Highlights are
mine.
Some questions/comments
though:

Inferiority
complex has made the State's people opt for English instead of their
own language in all spheres of their
life.

I think people learn
English because its useful. Does knowing English, give one a
'superiority' edge? I don't think so.

He also clarified
that the Asam Sahitya Sabha had not indulged in the recent controversy
concerning the definition of the Assamese
people

One would have thought
that a body like the Sahitya Sabha would be the right body to define
who is an Assamese if need be.

an how about this one
below?

He also asserted
that any arrangement for
autonomy without a provision for percolation of power down to the
grass root level was
meaningless. Such arrangements for autonomy creates a new type of
oligarchy and the common people continue to languish as
usual

Await readers'
comments.

Expand base of Assamese
society - AT
By A Staff Reporter
GUWAHATI, Feb 16 - Asam Sahitya Sabha president Kanaksen
Deka today made an appeal to the people to wage an all out battle
against inferiority complex that is afflicting the life of the State's
people . He also urged upon the people to expand the base of the
Assamese society by making the society assimilate all the new elements
and also to become self-reliant engaging themselves in trade and
commerce. He was addressing the fourth special annual session of the
Asam Sahitya Sabha at the Belsor Sarat Chandra Goswami Kshetra in
Nalbari district.

Inferiority complex has made the State's people opt for English
instead of their own language in all spheres of their life. This
complex is luring the guardians to send their wards to the English
medium schools. This is against the basic doctrines of education,
which speak of imparting education at the primary level through mother
tongues. This inclination towards English is a product of the hangover
of our colonial past, Deka said.

However, he clarified that he was not campaigning against learning
English. The Sabha wants the people of the State to earn expertise in
English too. But there is no justification to treat the English medium
schools as superior to the Assamese medium schools. Most of the owners
of the English medium schools are interested only in making money,
they are less bothered to improve the standard of education, he
said.

The inferiority complex of the State's people is

Re: [Assam] Do Assamese have an inferiority complex?

Title: Re: [Assam] Do Assamese have an inferiority
complex?

At 5:23 PM -0600 2/17/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da,

***
Very slippery one this Ram--you are trying to rescue GoI again
aren't you?

No, not really - but if Assamese demand
that of the GOI, wouldn't they have to know which group of people they
are talking about, which group needs protection from the
GOI so as not to become a minority in Assam.

*** They ought to. But WHO do you hear from? Is it the people? Or
is it the rags feeding out of MHA hands and spewing RAW sewage, and
the politicians?

The other day you observed that Rs. 1,000 is no big deal -- if it
were to be levied as a fee for registering marriages. Shows how
uninformed you are about Assam's realities. I don't blame you. You
grew up at Guwahati :-). You might find it interesting to learn that
fully one third of the couples ( at least) of my small village
co-habit without EVER getting married. They just live together. And
even highly developed counties with the best of civil institutions
still recognize such unions -- as common-law couples. Because there
are so many of them.

(A
case for protecting Assam from the unscrupulous
Indians?)

*** Are you suggesting that it is NOT an issue? If it is not,
will you care to explain WHY? I explained WHY it is so. You did not
explain why you take issue with my explanation. If you are serious
about understanding the issues you would have at least explained why
you do not agree. But you chose merely to re-iterate your own
politically motivated and pre-conceived notions Ram.

(Building a case why illegal
immigration is important to Assam's economy - nay its
survival?)

*** Ditto the above again. You do not take a position on HOW you
propose to resolve te problem, You do not fail to pay lip-service to
the fact that it is a human problem too, as a perfunctory ritual, But
you do not attempt to explain how it should be dealt with, and by
WHOM. Instead you try to devalue it by equating my explanations about
the Cown belt /Bollywood invasion of the NE with my concerns
about the human aspects of the B'deshi migration.

That is your choice. But it demonstrates that all you are
interested in is
protecting the Indian carpet-baggers' interests in Assam, while
being oblivious of the poor migrants from B'desh, a far less powerful
or influential group than the former.

c-da

*** Again, who an Assamese is is a
FAKE question.

Yes, that could be a fake question. Maybe
the question is who else is trying to get into the Assamese bandwagon
for ulterior motives, and who is trying to include others into this
group?

You seem to have more of a soft corner for the
B'deshi illegals than for the Bihari thelawala -:) What gives
C'da?

***
What is the reason for your making this conclusion Ram? Can you
explain?

I was
trying to deduce - maybe I am wrong, but you could clarify your
statements below:

there
indeed is a distinction between those ( of different ethnic
identities) who are indigenous peoples, and those who are in Assam
as carpetbaggers--to exploit it, but have never accepted it as a
home, regardless of how many generations they might have lived in
its geographical boundaries.

(A case
for protecting Assam from the unscrupulous
Indians?)

and

Besides, there is a HUMAN issue too. It is a
POLITICAL problem in addition to one of legalities, just like the millions of undocumented
aliens in the USA. Why do you
think California won't deport all the undocumented Mexicans or
Central Americans? Or why did Giuliani resisted his Republican
party patriots who were attempting to oust the undocumented aliens
that virtually RUN New York city today? Just like
Califiornia, NY City will
collapse overnight if all the undocumented are gone. US Agriculture will collapse across the
continent if the undocumented Latino are thrown out, as would huge
segments of the construction industry.

(Building a case why illegal immigration
is important to Assam's economy - nay its survival?)

--Ram

On 2/17/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
At 4:01 PM -0600 2/17/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da,

*** It is a legal
issue, of citizenship. Why are the Assamese RESPONSIBLE for
defining it ? Doesn't India have a DEFINITION of who a citizen
is?

India does have a concrete definition for who is or is not
an Indian citizenship.

Obviously, India (GOI) is not going to define who and
Assamese Citizen is? Because in India individual states do not offer
citizenship rights (as some assume).

*** Very slippery one this Ram--you are trying to rescue
GoI again aren't you?

I was NOT talking of WHO an Assamese is, I was referring
to YOUIR concerns about them B'deshis.

And my question stands:
*** It is a legal issue, of citizenship. Why are the Assamese
RESPONSIBLE for defining it ? Doesn't India have a DEFINITION
of who a citizen is?

The question of defining who an Assamese
is, is more to do with how Assamese residents of Assam would like to
define themselves than to

Re: [Assam] Keteki

BTW, I have some terrific recordings of the Keteki from Namti.

C'da 
Can that be sent over (wav file)? I would love to share that with some of my friends here.

Ram
On 2/17/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Ram:

It is common not only in the NE, but B'desh, Bengal, N.Bihar, N. UP and even as far south as Sri Lanka. I heard them on a Discovery Channel documentary on Sri Lanka years ago. Must be common in Myanmar and Yunan province of China as well as Nepal and Bhutan too.


BTW, I have some terrific recordings of the Keteki from Namti.

c-da










At 5:54 PM -0600 2/17/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
Wow! C'da that is really good info.
Since its got a Bengali name, I would guess its also common in Bengal.

Thank you
Ram
On 2/17/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ram:

It is


Chokhgelo Pakhi ( also Bou Kotha Kow--as in Moi Keteku) in Bengali,
 Common Hawk Cuckoo [Brainfever Bird], Hierococcyx varius[Cuculus varius]. I used o know the Hindi name, but I forget now, and can't remeber where I had the info.


Anyway, if you look up 'Hierococcyx varius' in the web. youwill find all kinds of info on it.

c-da






At 4:52 PM -0600 2/17/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
Today's AT had a great photo of a keteki perching on a Shimolu flower branch.

I sent the photo to a birder friend of mine, who could not id the bird - only deals with North American birds.

Anyone knows what the keteki is called in English? a kind of swallow?
( For those who missed it -see attachment)


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Re: [Assam] Do Assamese have an inferiority complex?

2006-02-17 Thread Barua25




This is exactly a case where we 
say: Hobo Diok
RB


  - 
  Original Message - 
  From: 
  Ram Sarangapani 
  
  To: Barua25 
  Cc: ASSAMNET 
  Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 7:50 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Assam] Do Assamese have an 
  inferiority complex?
  
  Dear Barua,
  
  
  I agree. By 
  refusing to indulge in the controversy of the definition of Assamese, 
  Assam Sahitya Sabha has indeed declared to the worldthat it is a 
  controversy for which it cannot offer any resolution. Now this is a 
  big issue I would say. ASS admitting that it is a issue like 'betonit 
  poril ow, baxudebaye nomoh'.
  
  This is winning point for 
  Delhi who wants to take advantage of the controversy.
  
  From the looks of it, this issue 
  does seem to be controversial. 
  If it were a benign issue, the 
  Sahitya Sabha would have had no problem in giving their definition. 
  
  They may not have relaized that 
  there was also a controversy with the name Asom (instead of 
Oxom).
  
  So, where do we 
  stand?
  The GOI will not do it, plus 
  nobody will accept their definition.
  The Sahitya Sabha will not do it. 
  The GOA will not do it.
  There are at least 4 or 5 
  different definitionsfloating around, and add to that the numerous 
  nuances hanging on to each word in the definition.
  
  While some of are saying, it is 
  really a fake issue. If it is, I don't think the GOI will take it upon itself 
  to get into every state's bidness and go asking for such definitions. Why get 
  into the trouble and getting itself embroiled in one more headache? 
  
  
  --Ram
  
  
  On 2/17/06, Barua25 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: 
  


"He also clarified that the Asam 
Sahitya Sabha had not indulged in the recent controversy concerning the 
definition of the Assamese people"

One would have thought that a body like 
the Sahitya Sabha would be the right body to define who is an Assamese if 
need be.

an how about this one 
below?

I agree. By refusing to 
indulge in the controversy of the definition of Assamese, Assam Sahitya 
Sabha has indeed declared to the worldthat it is a controversy for 
which it cannot offer any resolution. Now this is a big issue I would 
say. ASS admitting that it is a issue like 'betonit poril ow, baxudebaye 
nomoh'.

This is winning point for Delhi 
who wants to take advantage of the controversy.

RB

  - Original Message - 
  From: Ram Sarangapani 
  To: ASSAMNET 
  Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 9:08 
  AM
  Subject: [Assam] Do Assamese have an 
  inferiority complex?
  
  
  Highlights are mine.
  Some questions/comments 
  though:
  
  "Inferiority complex has made the 
  State's people opt for English instead of their own language in all 
  spheres of their life."
  
  I think people learn English because its 
  useful. Does knowing English, give one a 'superiority' edge? I don't think 
  so.
  
  "He also clarified that the Asam 
  Sahitya Sabha had not indulged in the recent controversy concerning the 
  definition of the Assamese people"
  
  One would have thought that a body like 
  the Sahitya Sabha would be the right body to define who is an Assamese if 
  need be.
  
  an how about this one below?
  
  "He also asserted that any arrangement 
  for autonomy 
  without a provision for percolation of power down to the grass 
  root level was meaningless. Such arrangements for autonomy 
  creates a new type of oligarchy and the common people continue to languish 
  as usual"
  
  Await readers' comments.
  
  Expand base of Assamese society - 
  ATBy A Staff ReporterGUWAHATI, 
  Feb 16 — Asam Sahitya Sabha president Kanaksen Deka today made an 
  appeal to the people to wage an all out battle against inferiority complex 
  that is afflicting the life of the State's people . He also urged 
  upon the people to expand the base of the Assamese society by making the 
  society assimilate all the new elements and also to become self-reliant 
  engaging themselves in trade and commerce. He was addressing the fourth 
  special annual session of the Asam Sahitya Sabha at the Belsor Sarat 
  Chandra Goswami Kshetra in Nalbari district. Inferiority 
  complex has made the State's people opt for English instead of their own 
  language in all spheres of their life. This complex is luring the 
  guardians to send their wards to the English medium schools. This is 
  against the basic doctrines of education, which speak of imparting 
  education at the primary level through mother tongues. This inclination 
  towards English is a product of the hangover of our colonial past, Deka 
  said. However, he clarified that he was not campaigning against

[Assam] Kakopathar incident -AT Letter