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US media has a lot on this today.
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Hear! hear! Mike.
And why not? Don't other voluntary organisations such as Country Fire Services,
SES's etc. have a core of competant paid civil servants?
Wasn't there a Commonwealth paid person in the GFA office at some time in the
past?
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Citing from the CASA document entitled:
Project FS 12/21
An applicant for a CASA glider pilot certificate must hold a current
pilot certificate issued by the GFA or another recognised authority
(Bolding and italics are mine)
I have a little green book entitled:
And if this comes to pass I hope CASA uses the word 'licence' on it's document
rather than 'certificate' . They seem to alternate between the two words.
You would want to be able to say you have a licence which is understandable and
acceptable to most enquirers. Having to explain 'certificate'
:21:29PM +1000, Christopher Mc Donnell wrote:
And if this comes to pass I hope CASA uses the word 'licence' on it's
document rather than 'certificate' . They seem to alternate between
the two words.
Fetishism about a license is a bit of an Australianism.
The Americans call theirs a pilot
No.
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Untitled DocumentThe regs self declaration form uses the words to the best of
my knowledge. What about the blokes who are known never to go to the Doctor
and what about the blokes who do, if they thought they would be stopped flying,
would just lie.
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means nothing!
The GPC on the other hand
:]
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As with Dion's 'tongue in cheek' rope, do you wave your letter out the
window to passers by? :-)
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I wondered what the glide ratio of those flying suits was.
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Thank you Simon.
I enjoyed that, especially the bit about Sullenberger, a view I have held for a
while.
Topically, I recently bought my wife a new Honda which incuded traction control
which is meant to be left on all the time except in rain.
Without her around, and as an old 60's sideways
Same for any debilitating symptoms JR.
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But apparently drinking copious quantities of brandy helped
It has been interesting watching that story develop over the last few days.
No wonder they are keeping him on remand :-)
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I have to agree with a lot of your comments Terry, but the law will not
differentiate from or favour 'the volunteer sector' or any other.
Nemo iudex in causa sua The rule is very strictly applied to any appearance
of a possible bias, even if there is actually none: Justice must not only be
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1objectid=10801613
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Hi Gary,
You said:
If you are particularly observant, you will note that neither Wombat nor I,
have mentioned the GFA in this context. Legally they do not have a role. In
practice they are generally requested to supply expert advice to the
Investigating Authority. Apart from anything else,
Thanks Mike.
Same view as mine, and I was aware of that
But you have to assist with enquiries if asked to attend at the station as
opposed to proactivity.
It must be so hard for local police to know how to deal with some of these
rarer events.
Re the trace, I read a novel recently where the plot
Hi Wombat,
You said:
The Police/Coroner will usually seek the assistance of the GFA in the case of
a gliding accident, .
Should there be any concern about this? I have some, so perhaps you could
allay my concerns.
Chris
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When it is often down I can usually find what I want just by doing a Google
search.
e.g. type MOSP 3 as I did this afternoon and voila!
Last RTOA conference minutes just as easy to find.
Members only ! ???
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Even in 3rd world countries the situations and political/bureaucratic
doublespeak are the same.
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I presume the strip in the background
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Subject: [Aus-soaring] More on the POOR things
http
And it would be a worry if a stud died of a hard attack :-)
BTW my daughters farrier disliked most horsey people.
Good business though for him.
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in Australia.
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 8:22 AM
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Dear fellow gliding peoples,
On 21/03/2012 4:24 PM, Christopher Mc Donnell wrote:
Having had an academic interest in easements and rights of way for many
years I found the link below
:24 PM, Christopher Mc Donnell wrote:
Having had an academic interest in easements and rights of way for many
years I found the link below very interesting.
OK - it morphed into an interesting discussion of alternative power
options, (which I was enjoying actually).
However
Thanks Bernie
That's the article I remember.
Printed and ready for the glovebox.
A little more prominence perhaps.
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, if it was
necessary. I can't imagine the need for police, or lawyers. Or documents in
the glove box.
Cheers
Tim
tra dire e fare c'รจ mezzo il mare
On 24/03/2012 21:32, Christopher Mc Donnell wrote:
Thanks Bernie
That's the article I remember.
Printed and ready for the glovebox
Mea culpa Bruce.
I dropped the pebble in the pond. :-)
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This is way off topic - can you
http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/b83f40e71b9e42e2956e390fe096bf53/CO--Artificial-Turf-Landing-Strip/___
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Did the reporter understand as most readers wouldn't.
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Was media (sigh!) Ninemsn taken in too?
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/technology/8438807/man-flies-with-homemade-flapping-machine
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Having had an academic interest in easements and rights of way for many years I
found the link below very interesting.
I am sure ridge soaring sites around the world will be watching with interest
as they are located on prime sites of the cause of action.
Untitled DocumentIt is a bit like lifelong roadside assist but not built into
the cost of the vehicle.
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The concrete full bathtub method does work.
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Hi Kevin,
Caleb White knows the most history about Kookaburras and has located/identified
most.
I have located/identified most Kingfishers except a couple where the GFA
records are remiss.
Chris McDonnell
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Hi Ian,
Has EP's unknown Kookaburra ever been identified.
Not last time I asked.
Chris
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Hi
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Hi Chris, could you put the question below to Aus Soaring for me?
Apparently there some Car Navs that you can input lat and long co
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Regardless of comments.
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; he is just a lad ;)
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There was a time when it was hoped that the hang gliders would move to
conventional gliding with age, better income etc etc.
I have noticed the well into middle age of some of them
2012 10:13:00 +1100
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I assume when they say lighter-than-air vehicles they
don't mean balloons. I think they mean gliders, which
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It will be interesting to get the official report.
There is a live uninjured pilot, so why not just ask as it has raised such
curiosity in the antipodes. :-)
soar...@kent-gliding-club.co.uk
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Airframe looks almost undamaged and intact.
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Gas or fluid, electric or flint? :-)
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Subject: [Aus-soaring] Anyone got an old Colibri for sale?
Has anyone got an old Colibri (Yellow or black) for sale?
Dave
An interesting read.
The application would probably apply in Australia too if the rules/guidlines
are similar.
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I believe a great concern of Bader's was that he had been shot down ( and he
was shot down, not collided with as he always claimed) by a non commissioned
pilot, which he was. Galland perceiving this discomfort introduced an officer
to him as the one who had shot him down.
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It seems a second replica is being built.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2098594/Great-escape-plot-Colditz-PoWs-finally-realised-glider-gramophone-springs-takes-sky.html?ito=feeds-newsxml___
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Another promo type article in the NZ press. I see many of them.
http://www.rotoruadailypost.co.nz/news/natural-form-of-flying/1263401/
I am amazed at the amount of press promotion of gliding I see in the NZ press.
They must really work at it.
Any idea how many glider pilots there are in NZ as a
700 I have been told.
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There is at least 2 that I know of.
Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliding Book for auctionI wonder if my 1961 first edition
autographed presentation copy to Sir kenneth Wills of Where No Birds Fly
would be worth anything?
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and JR and soon to be signed by Mike and Emilis along with a string of
others would be worth a couple of mints at least.
Apologies, Patch
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Golf Course or Ski Slope?
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RAMP. Another US english expression amongst others sneaking into our
language. Ugh!
Those areas have always looked pretty flat to me.
It seems to have started off meaning the boarding stairs or ramp (e.g. ramp
ceremony) and then took over the whole tarmac/departure area.
Chris ;-)
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Mike, I would have to disagree with your preference for ramp.
Given the general architecture of airport terminals and the many definitions
and etymology given in a decent dictionary for the word apron, apron would
seem to me to be the most appropriate/available of the words that can be
used
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Fournier F4 for those interested and he really did yell 'fore' :-)
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I bet our Juniors would like this sort of support and wouldn't our national
regulator like to be able to also wheel out a football code icon.
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It now appears there have been 3 deaths because of.
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Where ?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLu9s-SbJOo
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Yes, but will it be managed? Surely this should have been addressed by the
national body years ago, as in the CAMS example you gave and many other sports.
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Must be a bonus to the visibility of gliding in NZ
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Maybe the Ad. is targeted.
Mike Borgelt said only the other day:
Geez with the age of most glider pilots you'd go broke giving Seniors
discounts.
:-)
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I recall Wally Wallington showing us the outlanding maps from that comp.
The
Aussies were always way out on their own because they weren't used to visual
navigation over the crowded English landscape.
Is that a polite way of saying lost?
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Good pic for me to add to my collection of the two ES-60's.
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Attached is a photo
Mike, perhaps the Gliding Federation of Australia Inc. maintainers of the
registration and ownership of gliders records could be of assistance to your
memory.
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A second refutation posted:
Red Baron says...
8:22am Wed 31 Aug 11 (Z)
The headline makes it sound as if the pilot was in trouble and crashed.
I agree that the glider made a landing in a field, no doubt because the pilot
could not find any rising thermals to gain height. Safe and controlled
At least someone posted a refutation.
http://www.worcesternews.co.uk/news/9222550.Glider_pilot_ditches_into_field/
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That overides the Seniors Card discount I assume?:-)
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T'would be good to know the facts though.
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From Stratford Upon Avon Herald.
Was a winch club before.
CONTROVERSIAL GLIDER APPLICATION GIVEN GREEN LIGHT
PERMISSION has been granted to allow motorised gliders to operate at a club in
Snitterfield, despite hundreds of objections from local residents.
Objecters were outraged last night
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