John and others
The ATSB has a system for classifying accidents and incidents - see on
their web site
http://www.atsb.gov.au/about_atsb/investigation-procedures.aspx and
http://www.atsb.gov.au/about_atsb/investigation-procedures.aspx#fn2
- the latter identifies what the various levels of
The various routes an investigation may (or may not) take are pretty clearly
laid out by Mike Cleaver. It's been that way for quite a while but it is a
great inhibitor to learning from the various events. With clubs reluctant or
unable to carry out their own detailed investigation (whether
Hi Wombat,
You said:
The Police/Coroner will usually seek the assistance of the GFA in the case of
a gliding accident, .
Should there be any concern about this? I have some, so perhaps you could
allay my concerns.
Chris
- Original Message -
From: Mike Cleaver
To:
Hi Robert,
I am a bit biased because I sell these products but I have been using a
LX8000 /LX9000 for several years and recon that they are great stuff.
Regards,
John Orton
On 25 April 2012 10:01, Robert Hart ha...@interweft.com.au wrote:
**
Hi
I would like some feedback from users of
Robert
Talk to Brad Edwards 0267 711733H as he has LX9000 and Bruce Taylor 0267
787345H who has a ClearNav as they are both great instruments and am sure
they will tell you positives and negatives (usually minor) of each.
You should then try and fly both and work out your personal preference.
Or you can use XCSoar and configure all those items to your own preference :-)
Scott
On 25/04/2012, at 8:20 PM, Ian Mc Phee wrote:
Robert
Talk to Brad Edwards 0267 711733H as he has LX9000 and Bruce Taylor 0267
787345H who has a ClearNav as they are both great instruments and am sure
I recall a simular accident around 1985 - 1986 at Camden a IS28 B2 with student
(Anthony Kenyon) and instructor (Ian Nance) guess lesson learnt by another
persons error, was settled out of court (Supreme)
Mal___
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Hi Mike, Mike Borgelt in particular, and All,
Very nicely put.
I note in particular your comment ...and the amount of knowledge gained from
NZ investigations is not significantly higher than here. I suspect that you
could widen NZ to Worldwide.
At the risk of seeming outrageous, let me say
My question is :
If the RAA in Australia can train Accident investigators why can't the
GFA ??
Ben
From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of
gstev...@bigpond.com
Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2012 9:22 PM
To:
Hi folks
The weekend forecast is up at
http://the-white-knight-speaks.blogspot.com.au and whilst high cloud
could cause som shading on Saturday, Sunday should be a good, blue
day.
I will update tomorrow.
--
Robert Hart
Hi All
The RAA, and other air sport bodies including the GFA (with two
participants) were involved in an air crash investigation course in
April 2006 run by the ATSB in Canberra.
The ATSB is primarily concerned with TRANSPORT safety and as wombat
explained in his post, not that involved with
Hi Liegh, I suspect you already know the answer, so why ask the question? If
you wanted to know that why not ring GFA? I doubt that anyone from GFA will
answer in this forum even though I suspect 'they' monitor it. So, jump away!
Dave
From: Leigh Youdale
I suspect you already know the answer, so why ask the question? If you wanted
to know that why not ring GFA? I doubt that anyone from GFA will answer in
this forum even though I suspect 'they' monitor it. So, jump away!
Jump away? That's rather against the concept of getting one's facts
At 08:35 PM 25/04/2012, you wrote:
Or you can use XCSoar and configure all those items to your own preference :-)
Scott
There is a new PNA device available shortly called a V1. Essentially
the same as the new Oudie with the same screen (you can get your old
Oudie upgraded). 950 nits
Gary,
I totally agree with you sentiments and from what you posted earlier, I suspect
that there would be no way of establishing the true cause of this accident, so
any report would be unlikely to go beyond what you already posted - unless a
mechanical failure was detected !
I've always
Hi Mike
Do you have a link to the V1 display? Personally I love the Dell Streak,
but unfortunately it stopped working, not sure if I can get it repaired
yet. The transflective display is the way to go, but not many manufacturers
seem to use it.
Cheers
Paul
On 26 April 2012 09:10, Mike
Hi,
I am considering purchasing a Dell Streak.
Could you please share your opinions about this device, reliability, tolerance
to temperature etc...
Thanks
Jarek
Paul Bart pb2...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Mike
Do you have a link to the V1 display? Personally I love the Dell Streak,
but
On 26/04/2012, at 9:10 AM, Mike Borgelt wrote:
At 08:35 PM 25/04/2012, you wrote:
Or you can use XCSoar and configure all those items to your own preference
:-)
Scott
There is a new PNA device available shortly called a V1. Essentially the same
as the new Oudie with the same
At 10:28 AM 26/04/2012, you wrote:
On 26/04/2012, at 9:10 AM, Mike Borgelt wrote:
At 08:35 PM 25/04/2012, you wrote:
Or you can use XCSoar and configure all those items to your own
preference :-)
Scott
There is a new PNA device available shortly called a V1.
Essentially the same as
While it is understandable to look at accidents with the view to either
learn from them or be reminded about fallability; beyond the events and
factors noted by earlier emails, it is also helpful to bear trends in
mind.
This is about getting insights into wider contributors before and after.
At 11:22 PM 25/04/2012, you wrote:
Gliders, in comparison to say modern airliners are relatively simple
machines - just ask the boys in South Africa who developed the
JS1.They are reputed to have put in over 70,000 total hours to get
to official Type Approval!
I'm not sure what this has
http://www.verticasports.com/shop-2/products/v1-flight-instrument/
- Original Message -
From: Paul Bart
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] What instruments to put into a new panel?
Matt,
Some good stuff there. Another thing that can work against a pilot is getting
QNE and QNH confused - ie the pilot thinks he is higher than he actually is. I
suspect that this has been a contributing factor in at least a couple of
fatalities over the years.
In the Ararat case the glider
At 01:23 PM 26/04/2012, you wrote:
http://www.verticasports.com/shop-2/products/v1-flight-instrument/http://www.verticasports.com/shop-2/products/v1-flight-instrument/
yes that's the one. There is a bloke in the US who was working on
sourcing a similar device. I'm sourcing through him as
Most GPS loggers begin the trace only after a certain duration of
movement above a certain speed.
It's also possible it bunches a number of points to write out together
every x minutes - common behaviour in embedded devices to extend their
working life. If the power was cut before it was written
Could also be that the impact caused some corruption to the current file, which
makes it impossible to see and/or download using the normal tools. It could
potentially be accessed by the manufacturer if critical.
Matt
On 26/04/2012, at 13:59 , Matthew Scutter wrote:
Most GPS loggers begin
Hi,
Reading the thread regardinf the V1 terminal . They currently have problems
with the internal GPS of the unit. Check their website for more details
I am currently using a Holux CS61, recommended by Paolo Ventafrida, running
LK8000. It works very well, easy to see in sunshine conditions, even
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