[Aus-soaring] Mandl extractor - Is it snake oil or is there something to it?

2012-06-05 Thread Texler, Michael
It's referring to this: http://www.dg-flugzeugbau.de/mandl-absaugung-e.html Any comment from aeronautical engineering types? Have DG's results been independently verified? ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or

Re: [Aus-soaring] Mandl extractor - Is it snake oil or is there something to it?

2012-06-05 Thread Matthew Scutter
Not sure about independent, but Jonker does the same thing for their JS1's, and I've heard of experimental ASW20 mods to add one. http://www.jonkersailplanes.co.za/index.php?pageid=36 -Matthew On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Texler, Michael michael.tex...@health.wa.gov.au wrote: It's referring

Re: [Aus-soaring] Mandl extractor - Is it snake oil or is there something to it?

2012-06-05 Thread Stuart Kerri FERGUSON
An air extractor system definitely makes the cockpit quieter and the ventilation system work better - that along improves pilot comfort and performance. SDF On 05/06/2012, at 16:18, Texler, Michael michael.tex...@health.wa.gov.au wrote: It's referring to this:

Re: [Aus-soaring] Mandl extractor - Is it snake oil or is there something to it?

2012-06-05 Thread Mike Borgelt
At 04:40 PM 5/06/2012, you wrote: Not sure about independent, but Jonker does the same thing for their JS1's, and I've heard of experimental ASW20 mods to add one. http://www.jonkersailplanes.co.za/index.php?pageid=36 -Matthew No the JS-1 vent is not the same as the Mandl extractor although

Re: [Aus-soaring] Mandl extractor - Is it snake oil or is there something to it?

2012-06-05 Thread Mike Borgelt
I was surprised to see the JS-1 vent didn't have a nice funnel to guide the cockpit airflow in to it. Just cut off square inside. Don't know how much difference this mkes. Mike Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978

Re: [Aus-soaring] Mandl extractor - Is it snake oil or is there something to it?

2012-06-05 Thread Anthony Smith
Air into the cockpit must equal air out. If you are ramming air into the cockpit and do not have a suitable exit, where does it go? Predominantly out around the edges of the canopy and worse still along through the wing roots and out the air brake box. In 'very bad' examples it is the

Re: [Aus-soaring] Mandl extractor

2012-06-05 Thread Brian Du Rieu
The DG website has a thread dating back to 2010 on the (Clemans) Mandl extractor.   Go to http://www.dg-flugzeugbau.de/mandl-absaugung-e.html#Zulassung then scroll to the top of the loaded page for the start of the thread and some interesting comments by Holger Back along with the device's

Re: [Aus-soaring] Mandl extractor - Is it snake oil or is there something to it?

2012-06-05 Thread eckey
Hi Mike and others! It wasn't only Wil Schuemann who experimented with an air outlet. About 25 years ago Dick Buttler worked with Schleicher to fit an air extractor to his ASW 22. Martin Heide put an air outlet (similar to the Mandl device) on the undercarriage door of his ASH

Re: [Aus-soaring] Mandl extractor - Is it snake oil or is there something to it?

2012-06-05 Thread Jim Staniforth
  Hank Nixon built the ASW24/W27/W28/G29 kits now approved by Schleicher at his shop in New Jersey. It can be found on USA Schleicher rep John Murray's website. http://www.easternsailplane.com/eastern/eastern.php/EasternSailplane/TheVent I had theNixon/Murray/Butler ventinstalled in the 27. The

Re: [Aus-soaring] Mandl extractor - Is it snake oil or isthere something to it?

2012-06-05 Thread anthony . smith
More like: a robust platform that allows easy minor alterations for those inlcined to have a go. On Wed 06/06/12 9:32 AM , Derek drudd...@iinet.net.au sent: Did someone mention silk purses? FROM: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net

Re: [Aus-soaring] Mandl extractor - Is it snake oil or is there something to it?

2012-06-05 Thread Terry Neumann
There have been other enhancements to gliders in the previous century which offered theoretical improvements in performance. There was a spontaneous outbreak of aileron fences in the mid seventies, and serious consideration was given to fairings at the wing fuselage junctions for Libelles. I

[Aus-soaring] Solar plane completes maiden intercontinental trip

2012-06-05 Thread Mark Newton
Intercontinental from Spain to Morocco. Might have been easier to hit the milestone by going from Gibraltar to Ceuta :) http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-06-06/solar-plane-completes-maiden-intercontinental-trip/4054898 Now let's see them do London to New York. Might need to take a packed lunch

[Aus-soaring] Nigerian Glider(?)

2012-06-05 Thread Nelson Handcock
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/witnesses-describe-nigerian-planes-death-plunge/story-fn3dxity-1226386187110 what are the odds the aircraft ran out of fuel...? ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check