Re: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed

2010-02-23 Thread David Connors
On 23 February 2010 17:10, Stephen Liedig slie...@gmail.com wrote: The green initiatives such as wind and solar are the *ultimate goal*, but unfortunately won't be ready as a replacement fossil based energy sources for at least another couple of decades at best. Investment sould continue in

RE: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed

2010-02-23 Thread Richard Jones
Ken, can you provide web address for the synthesis report? From: ausdotnet-boun...@lists.codify.com [mailto:ausdotnet-boun...@lists.codify.com] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer Sent: Tuesday, 23 February 2010 7:48 PM To: ausDotNet Subject: RE: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech

RE: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed

2010-02-23 Thread Tony Wright
My understanding is that the base load problem has been solved, it’s just that there’s no political will to accept it. That is, there is too much vested interest in the alternatives and a lot of money spent by some very powerful groups to promote the status quo, as that’s where they make their

RE: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed

2010-02-23 Thread Ken Schaefer
http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/publications_ipcc_fourth_assessment_report_synthesis_report.htm the SPM is the “Summary for Policy Makers” – a very concise summary of the Synthesis report, or you can get the main Synthesis report. WG1 - the scientific evidence for climate change is

Re: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed

2010-02-23 Thread David Connors
On 23 February 2010 21:18, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: I never label people as “deniers”, nor do I cut people off. If you have an alternate viewpoint, I’d like to see what evidence you have to support that viewpoint. Since you’ve put the claim out there… I didn't say you did. I

RE: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed

2010-02-23 Thread David Ames
“Nuclear as it currently stands is just a disgraceful option. The radioactive waste in current nuclear reactors with current technology takes 10,000 years to break down. 10,000 years ago” Maybe the real issue is that current nuclear technology hasn’t isn’t advanced enough yet. If the waste is

Re: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed

2010-02-23 Thread Craig van Nieuwkerk
Check out the UEA mail leaks as it does not sound like you have. It is really eye popping reading. Conspiracy to delete data, fudge data and models, ensuring the deletion of mail at Hadley and uPen on impending assessment report findings, constant withholding of data and source code

Re: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed

2010-02-23 Thread Paul Gaske
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:37 AM, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 February 2010 21:29, Tony Wright ton...@tpg.com.au wrote: And you don’t need to go nuclear. Nuclear as it currently stands is just a disgraceful option. The radioactive waste in current nuclear reactors with

Re: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed

2010-02-23 Thread David Connors
On 24 February 2010 12:59, Tiang Cheng tiang.ch...@staff.iinet.net.auwrote: Any scientist can claims they can forecast a change in temperature better have won a nobel prize for their work before I'ld believe them. You actually don't need to do the actual forecast, just make a movie about it.

RE: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed

2010-02-23 Thread tonywr
ah, so you don't believe weather forecasters can tell you when summer and winter occur? We're talking long term here, not what the weather is going to be like tomorrow. On Wed, Feb 24th, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Tiang Cheng tiang.ch...@staff.iinet.net.au wrote: When people talk about weather

Re: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed

2010-02-23 Thread tonywr
Nuclear plant in Finland 3-5billion over budget Siemens Areva Finish govt in law suit love triangle Areva just bought Multibird wind turbines and Ausra solar thermal so they're so sure of Nuclear that they're diversiftying into renewables Spain's SENER built the successful nukes in spain -- has