Re: [Ayatana] make adding ppas easier

2011-09-18 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Scott Kitterman wrote on 06/09/11 11:05: S. Christian Collins s.chriscoll...@gmail.com wrote: ... What would be ideal, IMO, would be a check box in the software center for each application that would say something like: Always update to the

Re: [Ayatana] make adding ppas easier

2011-09-06 Thread Scott Kitterman
S. Christian Collins s.chriscoll...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/05/2011 07:47 AM, Christian Rupp wrote: This is a good thing, but will this programs and others be updated to the newest version or have we still to wait half a year for the next version of ubuntu? I usually want to have only

Re: [Ayatana] make adding ppas easier

2011-09-05 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kévin PEIGNOT wrote on 04/09/11 13:04: I don't agree. PPA should be used only to install unstable / unsupported features. I think the problem is that a lot of very good programs aren't in the default repository and need to be installed via PPA.

Re: [Ayatana] make adding ppas easier

2011-09-05 Thread a.gra...@gmail.com
Hi, On 5 September 2011 13:01, Matthew Paul Thomas m...@canonical.com wrote: So now is a good time to think about how we can make Ubuntu safer by making adding PPAs harder. don't you think it's already a bit hard for new users to add a PPA to Ubuntu? Lot of my friends that use Ubuntu don't

Re: [Ayatana] make adding ppas easier

2011-09-05 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 a.gra...@gmail.com wrote on 05/09/11 12:42: ... On 5 September 2011 13:01, Matthew Paul Thomas m...@canonical.com ... So now is a good time to think about how we can make Ubuntu safer by making adding PPAs harder. don't you think it's already a

Re: [Ayatana] make adding ppas easier

2011-09-05 Thread Christian Rupp
Am 05.09.2011 13:01, schrieb Matthew Paul Thomas: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kévin PEIGNOT wrote on 04/09/11 13:04: I don't agree. PPA should be used only to install unstable / unsupported features. I think the problem is that a lot of very good programs aren't in the

Re: [Ayatana] make adding ppas easier

2011-09-05 Thread Lance
...@canonical.com Subject: Re: [Ayatana] make adding ppas easier To: ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Date: Monday, September 5, 2011, 7:04 AM -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 a.gra...@gmail.com wrote on 05/09/11 12:42: ... On 5 September 2011 13:01, Matthew Paul Thomas m...@canonical.com

Re: [Ayatana] make adding ppas easier

2011-09-05 Thread zekopeko
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas m...@canonical.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kévin PEIGNOT wrote on 04/09/11 13:04: I don't agree. PPA should be used only to install unstable / unsupported features. I think the problem is that a lot of very

Re: [Ayatana] make adding ppas easier

2011-09-05 Thread Evan Huus
On Monday, September 5, 2011, zekopeko zekop...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas m...@canonical.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kévin PEIGNOT wrote on 04/09/11 13:04: I don't agree. PPA should be used only to install unstable /

Re: [Ayatana] make adding ppas easier

2011-09-05 Thread Scott Kitterman
zekopeko zekop...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas m...@canonical.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kévin PEIGNOT wrote on 04/09/11 13:04: I don't agree. PPA should be used only to install unstable / unsupported features. I think

Re: [Ayatana] make adding ppas easier

2011-09-05 Thread zekopeko
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.com wrote: zekopeko zekop...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas m...@canonical.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kévin PEIGNOT wrote on 04/09/11 13:04: I don't agree.

Re: [Ayatana] make adding ppas easier

2011-09-05 Thread S. Christian Collins
On 09/05/2011 07:47 AM, Christian Rupp wrote: This is a good thing, but will this programs and others be updated to the newest version or have we still to wait half a year for the next version of ubuntu? I usually want to have only certain applications updated beyond the versions available in

[Ayatana] make adding ppas easier

2011-09-04 Thread Christian Rupp
For newbies its very hard to install their first ppa and also if you know the way it takes you some time to install a ppa. Why don't just enable a short link like href=ppa://ppa:matthaeus123/mrw-gimp-svn which addes this ppa automatically after asking whether you trust this source and entering

Re: [Ayatana] make adding ppas easier

2011-09-04 Thread Kévin PEIGNOT
I don't agree. PPA should be used only to install unstable / unsupported features. I think the problem is that a lot of very good programs aren't in the default repository and need to be installed via PPA. PPA installation shouldn't be too easy for newbies, because it can be risky for their

Re: [Ayatana] make adding ppas easier

2011-09-04 Thread Florian Diesch
Christian Rupp christ...@r-k-r.de writes: For newbies its very hard to install their first ppa and also if you know the way it takes you some time to install a ppa. Just add 'ppa:diesch/testing' (or whatever PPA you want) using the Software Sources dialog. Why don't just enable a short

Re: [Ayatana] make adding ppas easier

2011-09-04 Thread Stefanos A.
2011/9/4 a.gra...@gmail.com a.gra...@gmail.com Hi, On 4 September 2011 14:04, Kévin PEIGNOT winniemie...@gmail.com wrote: I don't agree. PPA should be used only to install unstable / unsupported features. I think the problem is that a lot of very good programs aren't in the default

Re: [Ayatana] make adding ppas easier

2011-09-04 Thread Jo-Erlend Schinstad
There are a few things we need before we can consider making adding PPAs easy. First of all, we need an easy way to limit what packages can be upgraded/installed from that PPA. If you add a PPA because you want a set of fancy wallpapers, for instance, then that PPA should not be able to push a

Re: [Ayatana] make adding ppas easier

2011-09-04 Thread Shane Fagan
add-apt-repository does it pretty easily. On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Christian Rupp christ...@r-k-r.de wrote: For newbies its very hard to install their first ppa and also if you know the way it takes you some time to install a ppa. Why don't just enable a short link like

Re: [Ayatana] make adding ppas easier

2011-09-04 Thread zekopeko
I would really like it if people would stop using freedom of choice as a club to bash any design decision that has to be made. It is a balancing act instead. Too little choice and you get GNOME 3.0, too much choice and you get the mess that is KDE. Forcing users to make a choice for which they

Re: [Ayatana] make adding ppas easier

2011-09-04 Thread a.gra...@gmail.com
Hi, On 4 September 2011 17:57, zekopeko zekop...@gmail.com wrote: I would really like it if people would stop using freedom of choice as a club to bash any design decision that has to be made. It is a balancing act instead. Too little choice and you get GNOME 3.0, too much choice and you get

Re: [Ayatana] make adding ppas easier

2011-09-04 Thread Christian Rupp
Maybe we should find a way in the middle. I mean: if you want a secure system you should make installation of ppas harder. If you want a system which can be easily extented and is very end-user friendly you need a easier setup for ppas. So wouldn't it best to check the ppas and give them

Re: [Ayatana] make adding ppas easier

2011-09-04 Thread Paul Sladen
On Mon, 5 Sep 2011, Christian Rupp wrote: Hello Christian, find a way in the middle. …checked ppas get an easy to add link. Indeed, at the moment any PPA can provide (and override) any package in the system. Separating out archives that can provide core system infrastructure, from leaf-node