On 09/01/2008, Iain Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Confusing how?
I am confused to where a lot of the URLs actually come from.
It would be helpful if someone said where all these many URLs came
from instead of just saying use this URL.
I haven't read PHP for a *long* time (several years since
: [backstage] BBC iplayer on exotic devices
Dave Crossland wrote:
On 09/01/2008, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Production client-side code really shouldn't have documentation in.
If the BBC is serious about supporting innovation around the iPlayer,
it ought to leave it in here.
I
to this discussion
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/01/ip_to_tv_how.html
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Dave
On Fri Jan 11 10:23:14 UTC 2008, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I see two PIDs the original one b007cjrb and the one from versions:
b006py02
I am guessing I use the second one?
Correct. Episodes are conceptual and are not broadcast directly. They can have
many versions and it is these
On 09/01/2008, Iain Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
B. The iPlayer should stream over an open, not a proprietary protocol
Getting the Gnash RTMP library into mplayer and libcurl ought to solve
this from the software freedom community side. Gnash seems to be the
most serious and immediate
On 06/01/2008, James Cridland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
this list (and this thread in
particular) is precisely because we -do- want people knowing how as much of
this works as possible:
Them tell me how it works!
The HTML looks like it was designed to be hard to read, was this the case?
On
Production client-side code really shouldn't have documentation in. It is
usually taken out by a build script to save bandwidth - the same reason as
why the javascript is badly formatted and obfuscate, it'll probably be
packed or minified.
J
On Jan 9, 2008 9:42 AM, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 09/01/2008, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On many other sites all you have to do is view source, Ctrl-F,
.flv and you find the URL needed for the stream.
...
I think the biggest thing people want is you NOT TO USE RTMP.
The BBC is using the latest Flash technology - Flash Media Server -
Jason Cartwright wrote:
the same reason as why the javascript is badly formatted and
obfuscate, it'll probably be packed or minified.
I wish BBC news did that for their HTML; simply stripping the whitespace and
nothing else shrinks the BBC news front page by *a third*! Quite a bandwidth
On 09/01/2008, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Production client-side code really shouldn't have documentation in.
If the BBC is serious about supporting innovation around the iPlayer,
it ought to leave it in here.
--
Regards,
Dave
(Personal opinion only)
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Dave Crossland wrote:
On 09/01/2008, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Production client-side code really shouldn't have documentation in.
If the BBC is serious about supporting innovation around the iPlayer,
it ought to leave it in here.
I believe Ian said that there's a proper API
On 09/01/2008, Steve Jolly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dave Crossland wrote:
On 09/01/2008, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Production client-side code really shouldn't have documentation in.
If the BBC is serious about supporting innovation around the iPlayer,
it ought to leave
An API would be good, one could request a stream ID based on program, or
perhaps just a category, similar to an RSS feed based on program genre or
series. So my webapp could automatically list the latest 5 top gear episodes
for my fan site, with little programming or knowledge of program IDs. An
I disagree. Using gigs and gigs of bandwidth needlessly and making an app
run slower for millions of people, just so a few developers can hack around
with it?
Much better to release an API and sample source code separately. Example...
Built for users: http://maps.google.com
Built for developers:
On 09/01/2008, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I disagree.
...
Much better to release an API and sample source code separately.
I look forward to the BBC releasing an API and sample source code separately :-)
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Regards,
Dave
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Good idea, streamline and optimise for the end user, be abundant with
information for the developer. That way it would increase reliability for
the end user too, as the live production code is less likely to change/have
errors introduced, whereas if the developer code goes a little wrong, it's
not
On Jan 9, 2008 9:42 AM, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 06/01/2008, James Cridland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
this list (and this thread in
particular) is precisely because we -do- want people knowing how as much of
this works as possible:
Them tell me how it works!
The HTML looks like
On Sat, 2008-01-05 at 16:39 +, Andy wrote:
Any links to the specification for RTMP all the usual places I find
protocol specs have turned up no results.
http://wiki.gnashdev.org/wiki/index.php/RTMP
http://osflash.org/documentation/rtmp
See also
On 06/01/2008, David Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd love to get an iPlayer activity working on the OLPC XO.
Indeed - mine is arriving this week :-)
Shame about the GeoIP restriction, eh?
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Regards,
Dave
(Personal opinion)
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On 06/01/2008, James Cridland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 4, 2008 4:59 PM, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 04/01/2008, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So if your building a iplayer for an exotic device platform, do get in
touch.
Adobe Flash is prohibited on non-PC
But I can't find it *anywhere* in the iPlayer HTML or Javascript.
Can't find it in the XML either.
Is it hidden in the actual flash object itself?
I don't remember the details offhand, but these bits of information
*are* all available in the pages/html/JavaScript/config files.
I am a
Dave Crossland wrote:
On 06/01/2008, David Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well it's not that hard to get iPlayer content on the Xbox. Once Linux
(e.g. Xebian) is installed then essentially the Xbox is just another
Linux x86 machine. Install IceWeasel/Firefox and the Flash plugin and
On 06/01/2008, David Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dave Crossland wrote:
On 06/01/2008, David Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well it's not that hard to get iPlayer content on the Xbox. Once Linux
(e.g. Xebian) is installed then essentially the Xbox is just another
Linux x86
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All of this is documented in that xboxmediacenter.com forum which Ian
posted a link to earlier (in fact the starting post of this thread I
think), including an executable PHP script for generating the URL for
the RTMP stream.
Thanks Phil I was going to say the same :)
On 06/01/2008, Mr I Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So a little secret which can be revealed for 2008 (I meant to do a email
about this and other things over xmas). We have setup a IRC server so we
can have text talks with you guys and us in the future. Its not quite
ready but I'm hoping
On 05/01/2008, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So could someone at the BBC write up a short doc explain what is going on?
I think that's the point of the meeting that Ian invited the public
developer community to; I hope you'll go :-)
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Regards,
Dave
(Personal opinion only, not the views of
Sorry to reply to my own post.
Everyone appears to be using a url of the form:
rtmp://217.243.192.52:1935/ondemand?_fcs_vhost=cp41752.edgefcs.netauth=SECRET_KEYaifp=v001slist=STREAM_NAME
But I can't find it *anywhere* in the iPlayer HTML or Javascript.
Can't find it in the XML either.
Is it
On 04/01/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Any piece of software which can talk RTMP and play FLV files can use
iPlayer. So long it will run that software, the hardware is irrelevant.
Only if you can find the RTMP URL and the FLV file, and that appears
to be non-trivial.
I have a
Andy wrote:
Sorry to reply to my own post.
Everyone appears to be using a url of the form:
rtmp://217.243.192.52:1935/ondemand?_fcs_vhost=cp41752.edgefcs.netauth=SECRET_KEYaifp=v001slist=STREAM_NAME
But I can't find it *anywhere* in the iPlayer HTML or Javascript.
Can't find it in the XML
On Jan 4, 2008 4:59 PM, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 04/01/2008, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So if your building a iplayer for an exotic device platform, do get in
touch.
Quick questions:
Adobe Flash is prohibited on non-PC systems, is the BBC suggesting we
violate Adobe's
Just in case anyone missed it, there's a bunch of developers trying to bring
BBC iPlayer content to the Xbox1 and Wii. The main thread can be found here -
http://www.xboxmediacenter.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27063
I spoke to our iPlayer team and I can mention a couple of things.
1. The
On 1/4/08, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just in case anyone missed it, there's a bunch of developers trying to
bring BBC iPlayer content to the Xbox1 and Wii. The main thread can be found
here - http://www.xboxmediacenter.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27063
[...]
This is possibly not
Martin Deutsch wrote:
On 1/4/08, *Ian Forrester* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just in case anyone missed it, there's a bunch of developers
trying to bring BBC iPlayer content to the Xbox1 and Wii. The main
thread can be found here -
On 04/01/2008, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So if your building a iplayer for an exotic device platform, do get in touch.
Quick questions:
Adobe Flash is prohibited on non-PC systems, is the BBC suggesting we
violate Adobe's EULA or just not use the streaming version?
Many exotic
Many exotic system don't run x86 Processor emulators for the x86
chipset are also too slow for small devices. Where is the iPlayer
source code so we can recompile for ARM, MIPS etc.?
You don't need the iPlayer source. All of the heavy lifting on the client is done by Flash
itself.
A lot
On 04/01/2008, Phil Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You don't need the iPlayer source. All of the heavy lifting on the client is
done by Flash
itself.
Flash is somewhat inefficient as it's adding an extra layer in the way
of the hardware.
It is also prohibited to use the Adobe Flash Web
Andy wrote:
On 04/01/2008, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So if your building a iplayer for an exotic device platform, do get in touch.
Quick questions:
Adobe Flash is prohibited on non-PC systems, is the BBC suggesting we
violate Adobe's EULA or just not use the streaming
silly point -
Just in case anyone missed it, there's a bunch of developers trying to
bring BBC iPlayer content to the Xbox1 and Wii. The main thread can be
found here - http://www.xboxmediacenter.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27063;
is xbox1 a typo, myself a poor student, still only have an
On 04/01/2008, Phil Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You don't need the iPlayer source. All of the heavy lifting on the
client is done by Flash
itself.
how can the heavy lifting be done by Flash if
Flash is prohibited?
The heavy lifting *in iPlayer* is done natively by Flash. The point
On 04/01/2008, Mr I Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Andy wrote:
On 04/01/2008, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So if your building a iplayer for an exotic device platform, do get in
touch.
Quick questions:
Adobe Flash is prohibited on non-PC systems, is the BBC
Andy wrote:
On 04/01/2008, Phil Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You don't need the iPlayer source. All of the heavy lifting on the client is
done by Flash
itself.
Flash is somewhat inefficient as it's adding an extra layer in the way
of the hardware.
It is also prohibited to use the
On 04/01/2008, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 04/01/2008, Phil Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You don't need the iPlayer source. All of the heavy lifting on the client
is done by Flash
itself.
Flash is somewhat inefficient as it's adding an extra layer in the way
of the hardware.
On 04/01/2008, Mr I Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hold on a sec, we would never suggest breaking Adobe's EULA.
No one is suggesting porting Flash to a non-PC system.
I must have mis-understood. I assumed by exotic devices you meant
something other than a desktop PC?
I thought you where
Dave Crossland wrote:
On 04/01/2008, Barry Carlyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
silly point -
Just in case anyone missed it, there's a bunch of developers trying to
bring BBC iPlayer content to the Xbox1 and Wii. The main thread can be
found here -
On 04/01/2008, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 04/01/2008, Mr I Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hold on a sec, we would never suggest breaking Adobe's EULA.
No one is suggesting porting Flash to a non-PC system.
I must have mis-understood. I assumed by exotic devices you meant
On 04/01/2008, Mr I Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If anyone wants to implement a downloader for some kind of NAS or
server, or router then it would be interesting to see (once the BBC
hands over what's needed).
You could do this now if you like, there are already applications which
On 04/01/2008, Mr I Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dave Crossland wrote:
On 04/01/2008, Barry Carlyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
silly point -
Just in case anyone missed it, there's a bunch of developers trying to
bring BBC iPlayer content to the Xbox1 and Wii. The main thread can
And now you say we shouldn't use the streaming version either
on non-PC?
You do not need to port Flash to use the streaming iPlayer. Flash is a
convenient client tool but it is not the only one.
Any piece of software which can talk RTMP and play FLV files can use
iPlayer. So long it will
On 04/01/2008, Duncan Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 04/01/2008, Mr I Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dave Crossland wrote:
On 04/01/2008, Barry Carlyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
iPlayer on the Normal Xbox would be interesting...
Yes, the original Xbox, not the Xbox360.
The
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